Talk:Traverse City, Michigan

Climate Redo
Climate table should use Weather Infobox instead of just a table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NiX0n (talk • contribs) 20:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

aerial photo
Anybody know where we can get a nice photograph of downtown Traverse City for this article? T Garth 05:37, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No

I live here, and I know that my dentist's office has an amazing photo. I'll search.

At this point I think any photo of the downtown area would do. TC is a beautiful city and this article is seriously lacking pictures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.209.13 (talk) 12:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree someone should put some up... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.245.235.23 (talk) 04:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Here is a link to my Flickr Stream. Use any of the photos for TC you like (please note, photos are still CC by myself but can be used on this site). http://www.flickr.com/photos/zakfamily/sets/72157594444872434/ -Ken

Need history section
Somebody needs to add a history section... why is it called traverse city etc. 132.159.147.99 15:56, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I agree
My late great-grandfather lived here.They should have quite a few photos.

Gordie Howe
I believe he keeps a summer home in the area, and used to own a namesake restaurant there. Is this "trivia" or should can I add something under the Sports section?

Film Festival
Someone should put out a link to the Traverse City Film Festival

Current Mayor
I added the current mayor and a link to the election results. --Ajorb11 06:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Cityscape as a subject matter heading. See Cadillac, Michigan HELP!
I think that the Traverse City article would benefit from a paragraph or two on the subject of the Cityscape. An example of such a discussion is at Cadillac, Michigan. Unfortunately, I do not really have the subject matter expertise to write this intelligently about Traverse City, so I am asking for HELP.

Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 23:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)Stan

"ADVERT" Tag Removed
I fail to see any content on this page that is non-factual, or that is "puffing up" the city beyond what is true. Nevertheless, I have edited the introduction. If anyone disagrees with the tag removal, please change the offending verbiage rather than slapping on the "ADVERT" tag. --Judolphin (talk) 00:16, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Traverse City pronunciation
The article has this: Traverse City (pronounced /ˈtrævər ˈsɪti/) The "S" in Traverse has been dropped. This is obviously wrong (to me). OTHO, I am not familiar with the layout of these phonetics, so I hesitate to make the change. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 16:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC) Stan
 * As a former resident and frequent visitor to Traverse City, I can tell you that many people actually drop the "s" in Traverse and elide it into the soft "c" of City. In effect, the locals make it one word, not two.  Imzadi  1979   →  18:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I confirm this colloquial pronunciation description is mostly accurate. It serves as dialectal identification of how the name is pronounced, but usually IPA pronunciation information is used for translational language bridging, or for intra-lingual reference to standardized language rules.  Just because we locally merge and pronounce the name that way doesn't mean the defined english pronunciation of the word 'Traverse' is different.  Therefore, it may be desirable to identify the pronunciation entry as colloquial to ensure technical accuracy and maintain encyclopedic value, since the english pronunciation of "Traverse City" as /'trævərs 'siti/, or more accurately /trə'vərs 'siti/ (based on the old French, but with little emphasis on the second syllable), is also and officially correct. D. R. Shoup (talk) 23:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Everyone agrees Traverse City is great. However...
Miami is "subtropical." Traverse City is not. Glad we cleared that up.

Please do not damage the credibility of the article by puffing, exaggerating or distorting facts. I removed the advertising tag from the page several months ago. I will be glad to put it back if people can't have a semblance of objectivity. --Judolphin (talk) 00:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


 * "Moderation" is relative. "Subtropical" is not.  In any event, the tempering effect of Lake Michigan on the climate is real, and accounts in part of the Old Mission Peninsula AVA and Leelanau Peninsula AVA (and others) and the cherry production on the Leelanau Peninsula and Old Mission Peninsula.  It would be true, however, that the snow and winter weather could fairly be described as "severe".  So maybe there is a way to massage the wording?  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:22, 10 November 2010 (UTC)Stan

Stan,

For what it's worth, I think the latest edit is good. "Temperate" is actually technically accurate, which is my mistake. "Moderate" is vague and should probably be avoided IMO. Subtropical, as both of us have stated is not just laughable, but also factually incorrect. If anyone wants to add a sentence about the GTB or Lake Michigan moderating the weather, it would be a useful piece of information that should be added with a proper citation. --Judolphin (talk) 00:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


 * MY PROPOSED LANAGUAGE: Its location on the 45th parallel is tempered by the strong and moderating effects of Lake Michigan and Grand Traverse Bay, which have a particularly noteworthy effect on the peninsulas that branch north of the city.  As a result they have viticulture and cherry production.Traverse City Climate Narrative which list as a Source: Michigan State Climatologist's Office.


 * The Traverse City narrative itself states: “The lake effect on Traverse City's climate is quite strong during much of the year. The lake effect increases cloudiness and snowfall during the fall and winter and also modifies temperatures, keeping them cooler during the late spring and early summer, and warmer during the late fall and early winter. In the late winter as ice builds up on Grand Traverse Bay and Lake Michigan, Traverse City is subjected to temperature variations which are more closely associated with interior locations. Cherry orchards are found on the Old Mission Peninsula and on many of the hillsides along the east shore of the east arm of Grand Traverse Bay where prevailing westerly winds and the cold lake water is most effective in modifying the climate. Diminished wind speeds or winds which do not traverse large unfrozen lakes often produce clearing skies and the colder temperatures expected at continental locations.”
 * This might be a good beginning. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC) Stan

Sounds good to me. Thanks for your help. --Judolphin (talk) 13:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Religion
Can someone please explain what a "various population" is? It reads as though it was written by a bible thumper trying to sound enlightened by mentioning Jews, Unitarians (as Universalists--though some Unitarians consider themselves Christian) and "various" populations. If we mean that Traverse City has a mosque, Buddhist or Hindu temple, say so. If we mean that Traverse City (gasp) has agnostics, athiests, Druids and Wiccans, say so. But no one wants to be referred to as a "various" person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.123.94 (talk) 02:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. If all else fails, just take the section out.  all communities have houses of worship.  To list them all would be a violation of WP:NOTDIR, to only list some would be POV. Gtwfan52 (talk) 07:44, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Two major tornadoes since 1950
There have been two major tornadoes since 1950 in Traverse City on April 3, 1956 and June 26, 1969.--Kevjgav (talk) 07:22, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

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Traverse City Flag and Seal premission
Hey. I recently received permission after talking to the City Clerk of Traverse City to upload my SVG files to be used only on the Traverse City page. You undid and said "still not properly licensed (the permission means nothing in this context)" and then my svg was deleted with my proof. Please elaborate by what you mean by not properly licensed and how i can fix that. Have a nice night. --Cookieman1.1.1 (talk) 00:41, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I mentioned this on your Commons talk page, but I'll elaborate here.
 * The image is under copyright. The permission statement from the city clerk does not change that fact.
 * The permission statement did not explicitly license the image. The clerk did not give us permission to upload the image under a different license. The clerk would have to have specified the exact license and version of that license to be used to be a proper grant. There was no mention at all of any license.
 * Any proper license cannot limit the use of the image to a specific article, so again, it's meaningless to us.
 * You had no permission/license to upload a screenshot of the email to Commons.
 * The text displayed is the writing of the city clerk, not your own. He would retain a copyright in that text automatically under US law.
 * Furthermore, the copyright on the graphical elements of the screenshot are owned by creators of the software involved. This complicates the status of the screenshot further.
 * As a side note, the screenshot revealed some personally identifying information about yourself that you may or may not have wanted to be publicly available. Its best that the image be deleted all around.
 * As a matter of fair-use, no permission was needed from the city to host the image here under WP:NFCC. Had you just uploaded the SVG to the English Wikipedia and not to Wikimedia Commons, and had you used a proper fair-use rationale (FUR), the SVG could be used, and there would be no need to bother the city clerk at all.
 * However, you're trying to upload the image to Commons, which does not allow fair-use content, so the image must be uploaded under a proper license, and in this case, the grant of that license should be logged with commons:COM:OTRS.
 * That all said: we already have an appropriate PNG version of the image uploaded here with an appropriate FUR. Creation of an SVG version is problematic because the vectorization could be given its own copyright, while the raster graphic does not have those complications. In short, we don't need a different graphic at this time.  Imzadi 1979  →   01:04, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * So it can possibly be used if i uploaded it on Wikipedia itself using FUR? Sorry if im asking smooth brain question here, i usually upload everything on commons. --Cookieman1.1.1 (talk) 01:08, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * possibly, but there are complicating factors related to vectorization. It's best to just use the PNG/raster version currently in use and skip making an SVG/vector version.  Imzadi 1979  →   01:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Caption Correction
In the top right corner of the article it says, "From left to right, top to bottom: Traverse City as seen from the Open Space; the former Traverse City State Hospital; the Boardman River flowing under the South Union Street Bridge; the Grand Traverse County Courthouse; the State Theatre"

By my reading, the identification of the State Hospital and the County Courthouse are reversed. If not, then the captions on the linked fotos are incorrect. Please verify and correct if needed.

GMD3006 (talk) 17:02, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * They are reversed, and I've flipped the captions to fix that.  Imzadi 1979  →   17:21, 23 April 2021 (UTC)