Talk:Treasure Island, San Francisco

Link spam
The last link for the The Villages at Treasure island seem like link spam. I'm going to remove it if no one has any objections. --216.31.250.91 (talk) 02:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Origin of name
I just watched an extra segment on a Charlie Chan DVD, and one of the local history types interviewed said that the name Treasure Island comes from the belief that the dredge material that was taken from the harbor was believed to contain gold left over from the gold rush days.

MarkinBoston (talk) 22:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Surely it does, but in insignificant amounts. 99.20.118.250 (talk) 04:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Muni, Trans, Ramp, whatever

 * Before the Transbay Terminal was demolished, this bus line was the only Muni bus line to use the Transbay Terminal ramps, similar to the east bay Transbay buses.

What a geeked-out sentence! It needs to be explained, or dropped, because a scientific estimate reveals 98.42% of wikipedia readers will not know what this means. cheers, Doceddi (talk) 10:14, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Area
The area of Treasure Island itself seems to be 535 acres (0.836 sq.mi.). But the area cited in the Infobox is "4 km2 (1.5 sq mi)". Something is awry. Twang (talk) 05:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Treasure Island (California) vs Treasure Island, San Francisco
although i neglected to so indicate in the summary when i was bold and made the move, Treasure Island is wholly in, and a part of the City and County of San Francisco. Thus, the article name should be Treasure Island, San Francisco, not Treasure Island (California). --emerson7 21:20, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Construction photo...
I just saw this fly by on the California Historical Society's Facebook page, and thought someone here might have the time to slot it into the page. Check out https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151663245616574&set=a.400409416573.184868.124466976573&type=1 --MrRedwood (talk) 22:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

3DBuzz.com forum thread in references
Does a forum thread about this topic qualify as an encyclopedic source? I would think the SF Weekly article mentioned in the first post of the thread should be the source, not the thread itself. I'll remove it if there are no objections. ("Toxic Acres" - Am I Living in Presence of Harmful Nuclear Radiation?) pellea72 (talk) 06:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I changed the reference from the forum post to the article itself. pellea72 (talk) 05:58, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 17 January 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by page mover) Simplexity22 (talk) 15:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Treasure Island, San Francisco → Treasure Island (California) – The title is consistent with other Californian islands. 192.107.120.90 (talk) 14:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:CONSISTENCY.  CookieMonster755 ✉  16:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * , consistency with what? See Category:Artificial_islands_of_California. Most artificial islands in California are disambiguated with the city they are in, just like this one is now. --В²C ☎ 16:54, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Consistency with other islands, disambiguate with state names. However, it does appear that artificial islands are city disambiguated. Therefore I support (San Francisco) in parenthesis.  CookieMonster755 ✉  17:00, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Why parenthesis? None of the others disambiguate with parenthesis - the convention is ", CityName". --В²C ☎ 17:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose This was moved by some years ago (see  above), about at least they left justification here on the talk page: the island is wholly within San Francisco. Yes, this may be inconsistent with titles of other California island articles but are the other islands within the respective cities like this one is?  This is an appropriate and WP:NATURAL disambiguation for this particular topic. --В²C ☎ 16:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC) Strike out explanation: turns out other California islands are disambiguated with comma city name as well. See Category:Artificial_islands_of_California. --В²C ☎ 17:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Move to Speedy Close because this nom was based on a demonstrably false proposition: "The title is consistent with other Californian islands." It's not inconsistent; see Category:Artificial_islands_of_California. --В²C ☎ 18:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. If it helps, the inconsistency in these categories probably exists because these artificial islands in California are each more or less coterminous with a specific neighborhood or district within a city. In this particular case, Treasure Island, as the lead sentence currently states, is both an island and a neighborhood with the City of San Francisco. So for article naming purposes, it looks like it has been treated more as the latter, a neighborhood/populated place (and uses Infobox settlement as the primary infobox instead of ((tl|Infobox island}}), and thus uses the comma convention. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:29, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Magic City vs. Magic Isle
Though the name "Magic Isle" was occasionally used for Treasure Island, by far the most common nickname for the island, and particularly for the Golden Gate International Exposition (GGIE), was "Magic City." Magic Isle is used twice in this article, once in reference to the GGIE, and unfortunately once in the caption to the photo at the top of the page.

I propose to edit the page to change the GGIE reference to Magic City, leave a comment about Magic Isle so as not to lose the footnote with reference, but remove it from the photo caption.

(I am a Vice President of the Treasure Island Museum.)Bilofsky (talk) 19:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I see several contemporary postcards online (here and here) referring to the Magic Isle so it doesn't appear to be something that was only mistakenly used. I do see postcards that refer to the "Magic City" but those seem to be for the Worlds Fair grounds.  Do you think the terms refer to two different things?  Perhaps "Magic City" refers to the Worlds Fair ground and  "Magic Isle" refers to the island itself?  Could it be that Magic City is derived from the nickname for the island?  Do we have any documentation showing which came first?  Dbroer (talk) 00:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. As I said, both terms were used at the time of the fair, but Magic City was by far the most common one. The definitive record of the fair, Treasure island, "the magic city," 1939-1940; the story of the Golden gate international exposition, written by the fair's two chief publicists, has Magic City in the title and uses the term 902 times. Magic Isle appears twice. A Google search on "Magic City" "Treasure Island" yields about 365,000 results; "Magic Isle" "Treasure Island" yields about 3,460.

Glancing at these references, I see that Magic Isle was sometimes used to describe the fair itself and sometimes its location. Since the fair occupied the entire island, the two terms were a distinction without a difference apart from the emphasis.

In recent decades, Magic Isle has been used to refer to the island, now beginning a redevelopment. This makes sense because it continues to describe the island whereas Magic City is now anachronistic. (Following the fair, the island was a naval base from 1940 to 1997, during which time I doubt it was ever described as "magic".)

So I will leave the photo caption as is, but replace Magic Isle with Magic City in the text, where the reference is clearly to the fair. Bilofsky (talk) 15:17, 22 August 2021 (UTC)