Talk:Treasure Island Hotel and Casino

Knocked Up Scene
Pretty sure that in Knocked Up they're staying in PH, not TI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.181.144 (talk) 01:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Title of article
I moved this from Treasure Island (hotel and casino) to Treasure Island Hotel and Casino because the latter appears to be an official name, at least according to the website, and we always prefer an official name over a disambiguated form. Nohat 07:40, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * As with my comments at Talk:Bellagio Las Vegas, I don't think this is an official name. In the discussion about where to put the Mirage article, I thought that the most reliable source for a genuine official name would be the corporation's SEC filings, which are minutely scrutinized by the company's lawyers.  I checked the EDGAR database and found the most recent Form 10-K from MGM Mirage (view it here).  In "ITEM 1. BUSINESS" it includes a list of the company's properties.  (Search for "Bellagio" and it's the first hit.)  In that listing, the place with the volcano is called "The Mirage" but the one just to the north of it is listed as 'Treasure Island ("TI")'.  The situation here is complicated by the sort-of name change; the company uses "Treasure Island" in some instances but "TI" (or "ti") in others.  Nevertheless, I don't see anything official about "Treasure Island Hotel and Casino".  I'd say the official name is "Treasure Island", although at some point in the future it might become "TI".  For the moment, we should restore the disambiguation form, "Treasure Island (hotel and casino)". JamesMLane 20:41, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Repaint/Renovation?
Did Treasure Island get repainted at some point? In a lot of old pictures it appears to be like a warm yellow/orange color. Obviously it's red now. If it went through a paint-job/renovation, I'd like to add that to the article. --Evolross (talk) 05:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Requested move 14 July 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved – No clear consensus, so undoing the procedural error and reverting to the stable title is in order. (non-admin closure) Dicklyon (talk) 05:30, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Treasure Island Las Vegas → Treasure Island Hotel and Casino – Undiscussed move to a name not supported by reliable sources. Toohool (talk) 17:07, 14 July 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. —  Newslinger  talk   22:40, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Warm Regards, ZI Jony  (Talk) 18:02, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note this is not a contested technical request, it is a request to revert a move that was made as a technical request without discussion. Toohool (talk) 19:47, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note also that DaFuze164, who instigated the move to Treasure Island Las Vegas and commented below, has been blocked as a sockpuppet. Toohool (talk) 16:48, 28 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Support for procedural reasons. Looks like the move to "Treasure Island Las Vegas" was incorrectly listed at WP:RMT as a "request to revert undiscussed move". Colin M (talk) 00:42, 16 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Treasure Island Las Vegas isn't exactly unsourced since the logo of the hotel/casino which is already cited on this page literally only says the words "Treasure Island Las Vegas" on it. DaFuze164 (talk) 18:48, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There's also another Treasure Island hotel/casino in Minnesota and people might get confused so it's better to leave it at Treasure Island Las Vegas so it can easily be distinguished between the two (aka Treasure Island Las Vegas and Treasure Island Minnesota). The name is also already stated on the logo itself anyways so that's an easy way to tell that it should be left as the name Treasure Island Las Vegas. DaFuze164 (talk) 18:56, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: When it comes to casino names, I frequently come across all kinds of inconsistent alternate names used by news publications and even by the casinos themselves. In this case, the logo says "Treasure Island Las Vegas," the FaceBook page uses "Treasure Island Hotel & Casino", and the official website uses both names. Most of the time, it seems like the main name ("Treasure Island" in this case) is usually the common name, without anything tacked on ("Hotel and Casino," "Resort and Casino," "Las Vegas," etc.). That seems to be the case here. I did some searches to try to get an idea of what the common name is:


 * Google
 * "Treasure Island" "Vegas" – 5,550,000 results
 * "Treasure Island" "hotel and casino" "Vegas" – 618,000 results
 * "Treasure Island Hotel and Casino" "Vegas" – 224,000 results
 * "Treasure Island Las Vegas" – 206,000 results


 * NewsLibrary
 * "Treasure Island" "Vegas" – 20,018 results
 * "Treasure Island" "hotel and casino" "Vegas" – 1,693 results
 * "Treasure Island Hotel and Casino" "Vegas" –423 results
 * "Treasure Island Las Vegas" – 234 results


 * Considering these results and the resort's own inconsistency, I wonder if "Treasure Island (hotel and casino)" might be better; someone searching that might be looking for the Minnesota hotel-casino, although the Las Vegas resort seems to be the primary topic |Treasure_Island_Hotel_and_Casino based on page views. In addition, hatnotes are already present on both Treasure Island casino articles to distinguish between the two. Also, if "Las Vegas" were needed to distinguish from the Minnesota casino, wouldn't we use "Treasure Island (Las Vegas)" instead? Or perhaps "Treasure Island (Las Vegas resort)"? AJFU  (talk) 18:44, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think parenthesis are necessary considering other hotels like Harrah's and Bally's have multiple locations and don't use them and are just called "Harrah's Las Vegas", "Harrah's Atlantic City" and "Bally's Las Vegas", "Bally's Atlantic City" on their pages. DaFuze164 (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: Firstly, title stability should be considered. This article has existed at Treasure Island Hotel and Casino for 15 years and shouldn't be moved without a good reason. Secondly, as AJFU points out, Treasure Island is the ideal common name, but since this is not the primary topic for that name, some disambiguation is needed. Natural disambiguation is preferred over parenthetical disambiguation, and we have at least two reasonable candidates for natural disambig (Treasure Island Hotel and Casino and Treasure Island Las Vegas), so I think that rules out a parenthetical. As AJFU's statistics show, the former is clearly the more common usage. The amount of confusion it would cause with the Minnesota casino is negligible, as shown by the fact that the Las Vegas casino gets |Treasure_Island_Resort_%26_Casino 20 times the page views of the Minnesota casino. Toohool (talk) 19:47, 20 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Like I said, the words "Treasure Island Las Vegas" are on the logo itself for the hotel. That should be evidence to be easily understood on the fact that it's the official name for this page and the hotel itself. DaFuze164 (talk) 02:12, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Per WP:COMMONNAME, article titles are determined primarily by common usage in independent sources, not by "official names". And, as pointed out above, even the "official" sources are inconsistent about the property's name. Toohool (talk) 23:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Your point is? What you just said doesn't explain why "Treasure Island Hotel and Casino" should be the new name. I suggest it should stay as "Treasure Island Las Vegas" since the top searched result is "Treasure Island Vegas" which is the closest to it just without the "Las". DaFuze164 (talk) 16:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose: Despite the procedural issue, the current name is used for the logo and is used on the official website, and it provides WP:Natural disambiguation. What's not to like about that? —BarrelProof (talk) 17:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That's evidence for "Treasure Island Las Vegas" being the WP:OFFICIALNAME, but AJFU has provided evidence that the previous stable name is the WP:COMMONNAME, which is the more important factor. (Also, even whether "Treasure Island Las Vegas" is the official name is not at all clear. As AJFU points out, the website and official social media pages use a mixture of names.) Colin M (talk) 21:19, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * But trying to use the most common name is not the only priority. Disambiguation is also desirable. If that didn't matter, the name would be just "Treasure Island" or maybe "Treasure Island Casino" / "Treasure Island casino". Unfortunately, "Treasure Island Hotel and Casino" fits the description of two different topics that are discussed on Wikipedia. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, Treasure Island Casino is currently a redirect to this article. I agree, "Treasure Island Las Vegas" is a superior title wrt precision, but it might still not be worth the tradeoff in terms of WP:COMMONNAME. The level of ambiguity seems pretty low. The Vegas casino |Treasure_Island_Hotel_and_Casino|Treasure_Island_Resort_%26_Casino gets 10x the views of the Minnesota one. And while "Treasure Island Hotel and Casino" might technically be a correct description of the Minnesota venue, I'd be surprised if it's ever been referred to in RS using that exact sequence of words (because it's so strongly associated with the Vegas casino). Colin M (talk) 23:32, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * AJFU provided evidence that "Treasure Island Vegas" is the most common name which is technically the same thing as "Treasure Island Las Vegas" just without the "Las". DaFuze164 (talk) 22:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you're misreading their findings. That was for "Treasure Island" and "Vegas" as separate search terms, not the phrase "Treasure Island Vegas". Colin M (talk) 04:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The way they stated it made it seem the same thing. What's the difference? They put "Treasure Island" "Las Vegas" - (Search result amount) DaFuze164 (talk) 21:14, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That search looks for pages that include the terms "Treasure Island" and "Las Vegas", not necessarily together. e.g. a page with the text "The Treasure Island Hotel and Casino is located in Las Vegas, Nevada" would match that query (but would not match the query "Treasure Island Las Vegas"). Colin M (talk) 22:14, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Support: Between the two official names, "Treasure Island Hotel and Casino" seems to be more commonly used. Although, "Treasure Island" by itself seems to be the most common of them all, based on the sources used in the article. As for "Treasure Island Las Vegas," the NewsLibrary search is including results that don't actually use the term as the resort's name. For example, one search result reads: "With the opening of three new megaresorts - Luxor, MGM Grand and Treasure Island - Las Vegas is changing rapidly." Another search result is a list of the world's 10 largest hotels and their locations, including "Treasure Island, Las Vegas; 2,900 rooms". I also found that a number of those search results (at least two dozen) are wedding announcements for couples getting married at "Treasure Island, Las Vegas, Nev." On NewsLibrary, the search for "Treasure Island Hotel and Casino" "Vegas" seems to yield more relevant results, although I did see a few instances of "the Treasure Island hotel and casino" (no capitalization). AJFU  (talk) 21:31, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


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