Talk:Trenck's Pandurs

References and reliable sources
Copied from User talk:Zoupan to allow other users to provide feedback if they feel like it.--Tomobe03 (talk) 16:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Unclear fact tag
Hi, Why should I have a User Name?! I saw you added a fact template at the Trenck's Pandurs but I could not see any connection between the summary edit "Only by a Croatian writer? Follow the link to the Ottoman military bands and you see why they were called Turkish. More refs needed to support the claim." and the sentence itself (currently: "The musicians were called the Turkish band, after Ottoman military bands, and are considered pioneers of martial music in Europe.") Could you please explain what claim do you dispute. Also please note that the particular sentence is referenced inline (Miletić ref, current #1). Cheers.--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:15, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * One Croatian writer is considering those Croatians as pioneers of martial music in Europe? Then say so: ″A Croatian writer considers them...″ (For everybody else the Ottoman military band mehter is considered as such.) If not add other sources please. Regards. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that attribution could be more precise and I added it. However, your claim that "everyone else" considers mehter to be this or that is entirely unsupported. According to Wikipedia policy WP:BURDEN, you're not right to tag sourced claims demanding further sources - it is precisely you who are required to challenge a sourced statement with WP:RS to the contrary. I'm not saying your claim is incorrect, but that reliable sources are needed. For one, I'm not even sure there's a consensus that Turkey is Europe, let alone details on mehter, or who's "everybody else" in this case. This article clearly indicats that these fellows picked this up from the Turkish tradition, not that they invented it. Cheers--Tomobe03 (talk) 19:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the positive edit. Of course Turkey is not Europe, it is only a small part of that continent. Now I cannot recall where I made any reference to Turkey, but if I have done so take it as ″Ottoman Turkey″. Cheers. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

POV
WHY on anything Croatia related Setrbs must be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.252.248.98 (talk) 19:42, 30 December 2016 (UTC)