Talk:Trent Alexander-Arnold

Special:Diff/1132128622
Edits like this are getting tiresome in my opinion. We should all know the archived source gives us 1.75m instead of some other figure other people, mostly anonymous, keep changing. That has happened a lot in 2022 alone. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 11:28, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Vice Captain
Need to update that Trent is the vice captain of Liverpool FC right now. Where should we put the update? 59.102.1.76 (talk) 08:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Need to adress his recent role-change:
Since April 2023, Jürgen Klopp has used Trent in an inverted full-back role,not just drawing out the advantages of Trent's world-renowned passing ability, as well as gaining a numerical advantage in the middle of the pitch. 86.129.13.42 (talk) 21:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

2023-24 EFL Cup win
There are some editors on here obsessed with not crediting players for trophies they have won. Trent was part of the team that won the 2023-24 Carabao Cup and thus should be listed as a winner, even though he missed the final. There is precedence for players receiving medals even if they didn't play in the final (see Martin Dubravka, who received one despite losing with Newcastle, as he'd previously played in that campaign for Manchester United). Furthermore, I have found a source that is listed as acceptable and trustworthy on WikiProject Football, but certain editors keep claiming it isn't. It's getting ridiculous at this point. ScouseSocialist (talk) 00:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't think anyone is obsessed with not crediting players players for trophies they've won, it's best not to assume bad faith as you have done multiple times now.
 * As far as I understand it, Soccerway is reliable for some information (i.e. stats) but less so for club honours. I believe (although I may be incorrect) that it lists honours for all players that are in the squad regardless of whether they won a medal. If TAA had played 0 minutes, Soccerway still would list an honour. Players might receive a medal even if they didn't play in the final but they won't always receive it - we don't know for sure either way in this case, therefore we need better sourcing to know for sure. Also, Transfermarkt is never a reliable source for Wikipedia. Thanks Michaeldble (talk) 20:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @ScouseSocialist, please see this discussion on @Mattythewhite's talk page to start. I'm not obsessed with not crediting players--in fact I'm a fan of the club and think TAA is one of the most talented players I've ever watched. However, there's a pretty clear issue with sourcing that we keep pointing out, and it doesn't appear to have been met yet. There is no particular reason why Soccerway is reliable for the specific fact of whether or not Trent received a winner's medal. They might be reliable for other facts, but Soccerway is functionally a very nice database and there's no reason why this company (who run the site) have any insight into whether Trent has received a medal. They do not claim to be journalists, they don't claim to do fact-finding, and in any other context regarding living people, we would not allow them as a source. That is why this edit keeps getting reverted. Alyo  (chat·edits) 20:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That’s fine, but we seem to be thus going on Mattythewhite’s say-so, and I’m not exactly comfortable with that. It feels like two independent websites (regardless of whether they’re primarily known for something or not) as well as LFC’s own website, as well as previous experience like with Martin Dubravka should be enough evidence.
 * I see Harvey Elliott is mentioned in that discussion, and yes he didn’t make enough appearances to get a medal officially but the clubs get given extra to distribute and it’s up to the club who gets them. He certainly has one, because I’ve seen it. ScouseSocialist (talk) 01:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That may be true re:Harvey, but one of the cornerstones of Wikipedia is that information must be verifiable, and unfortunately someone seeing the medal doesn't help us, unless that information has also been placed in a reliable source. Alyo  (chat·edits) 16:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I wasn't claiming otherwise re: Harvey. But we do have verifiable sources for Trent having won the Carabao Cup again 2023-24, sources which are accepted as reliable in other parts of Wikipedia. Therefore, they should be acceptable for the 'Honours' section. ScouseSocialist (talk) 10:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * But I don't think we do. Unless you have different sources than what you've brought up. Transfermarkt isn't reliable at all, and Soccerway is just a database that pulls numbers and doesn't do their own research. Am I missing another source? Alyo  (chat·edits) 15:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

More/updated sources for perception
Alyo (chat·edits) 16:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Guardian 100 2023
 * Guardian 100 2021
 * ESPN right backs
 * "Alexander-Arnold has redefined the role of a right-back in the modern era with his remarkable attacking output."
 * Alexander-Arnold has consistently delivered on the biggest stages for Liverpool, en route to establishing himself as one of the best right-backs in world football.
 * Alexander-Arnold can be considered to have ‘reinvented’ the role of the English right-back