Talk:Trey Anastasio

Addition of compositions and guitar technique
I will soon add information about Anastasio's compositions and guitar technique. Sources include The Phish Companion, 2nd ed. and my own research into the topic. Feel free to edit or expand as appropriate.

I will also expand to include basic information about his projects outside of Phish, and will move the existing information about his guitar rig to the guitar section.

Curtlindsay 20:07, 2 October 2005 (UTC) curtlindsay@comcast.net

COMMENT ON THE SECTION ENTITLED "TREY ANASTASIO THE GUITARIST"

I'd like to comment on the completely unnecessary nature of listing out in detail every possible chord, technique, or composing device that Trey Anastasio has ever employed. EVERY guitarist "uses barre chords extensively." Billy Joe Armstrong uses them for Christ's sake. It's not impressive, and for the record, nobody uses the locrian mode. It's a theoretical mode built on a diminished chord and it sounds like crap in practice.


 * Rachmaninoff, Hindemith, Sebelius, and Debussy would disagree with you, but of course you know best, you pompous stuck-up popinjay.

We're all aware that he knows his theory and is an accomplished guitarist, and rattling off all of these unnecessary details on his Wikipedia page only provides fodder for Phish fans who know nothing about playing guitar to use in an argument against Trey detractors. "Trey is considered a versatile guitarist" will do just fine.
 * Good point. Often I get irritated over the guitar-Wikipedia group ignoring great musicians, just because they're studio musicians or whatever, only to find some places, it's like a fanzine. Peacock feathers, anyone? --leahtwosaints (talk) 22:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Great job cleaning up!
I just wanted to say that whoever came in and reorganized this article, particularly the intro, life, and discography sections, did a fantastic job in my opinion. That's a better picture, for sure. After I'd added a lot of information to the basic "stub" about Anastasio's projects and had outlined a musical analysis of his guitar playing and his composition, someone then came in and, in my opinion, really muddled up the intro (not that it was that great as I left it), and I just wanted to say great job to whoever came in and fine-tuned it. I'd say this article is just about ready to rock for the time being. Why didn't you take credit for your work in discussion? That's cool, just saying you should be proud. Great work.

I went back through after a review and fixed a few grammatical and spelling errors that appear to have popped up during the cleanup. We need to be careful about that, this is an encyclopedia, after all. Also, I put the reference between the Languedoc guitars and the Starcaster back in. It's important for guitar enthusiasts, because the Starcaster and Trey's guitars are some of the only hollowbody models in existence with six-inline tuners, which is pretty darn distinctive (and helps them hold tune better than most three-on-a-side models). CurtLindsay 04:03, 23 October 2005 (UTC) curtlindsay@comcast.net


 * Are you aware of the Fender hollowbody Telecaster? They're quite common and have six-inline tuners.  Not to mention several in Fender's line of acoustics.  You don't know much.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.134 (talk) 12:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Trey's Devil Worship
I want the content about Trey's signing of "El Diablo" or the "Devil's Horns" at the August 9, 2004 Phish concert in Hampton, Virginia, put back on the main thread. While he has the right to worship the devil, he needs to be exposed at the same time for the devil-worshipper he is. If anyone has seem him give the Devil's Horns at other concerts, please chime in. It will just add to the exposure. - unsigned by a nut


 * Feel free to add such garbage when you find a credible source. Until that time said garbage will come off the page asap. BabuBhatt 16:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Song credits counts
Why were these removed?? Interesting info, factual not POV, sourced to TPC2, relevant and well-placed? Removal was unsigned and without explanation; I'm reversing it. Airumel 23:42, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

The Barn as a separate page?
I think there is enough information to make The Barn its own subject. A number of notable acts outside of the Phish family have utilized it.

User_talk:Milchama 18:14 2 February 2006

Trey Anastasio considered one of the most accomplished composers?
I dispute the veracity of the following statement:

"Among music critics and historians, Anastasio is considered to be one of the most accomplished guitarists and composers alive today, rated as number 73 on Rolling Stone's List of the 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time."

The idea that a sizable minority--much less a plurality, as the author implies--of critics and historians consider Trey Anastasio to be "one of the most accomplished...composers alive today" is simply false. I dare say that he would not even be mentioned by the vast majority of serious critics, let alone a historian of any pedigree. Boulez, Ligeti, Stockhausen, Carter, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea--even Paul McCartney, James Taylor, or Neil Young, depending on one's slant--could perhaps lay claim to that attribution. But Trey Anastasio?

(While it is another issue entirely, I'd like to raise the point that composition connotes writing in notation. Songwriter would therefore perhaps convey Anastasio's primary role more accurately.)

Further, Rolling Stone is not a reputable musicological journal; it's a popular magazine. That fact notwithstanding, Anastasio did not even make the top 50, so the claim that he's "one of the most accomplished guitarists" is an exaggeration.

To be clear, I'm not saying that Anastasio is a poor musician. He is obviously both technically skilled and inventive. But he is, biased observations aside, neither one of the most accomplished living composers, nor one of the most accomplished living guitarists.

Sorry if I offended anyone. I'm just trying to make sure that this encyclopedia remains an unbiased source of information. This is an encyclopedia, not a magazine article. Accordingly, I went ahead and changed the tone of the line in question, along with several others throughout the article, to something more neutral.

Thanks, Psfitzgibbon 02:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm fine w/ you removing hyperbole from this page, I'll even agree w/ you that Trey is probably not 'considered one of the most accomplished...composers alive today." But you're assertation that he is more a 'songwriter' than a composer is false. Also, he is an accomplished guitar player and it should be noted.


 * Trey DOES write music in notation (Don't know why you've implied that he doesn't. To quote you: 'I'd like to raise the point that composition connotes writing in notation") Trey studied composition and knows music theory, can read/write music, plays several instruments, and has conducted an orchestra before (right after Phish broke up he composed an orchestral version of the Phish song "Guyute" and conducted the Vermont Youth Orchestra in their debut performance of the piece).


 * if you listen to Trey's atonal fugues like You Enjoy Myself or Divided Sky, I think you'll see that while written for a rock band, these are more 'pieces of music' (that leave room for inprovisation) than 'songs.' Trey wrote all the parts for those compositions. Additionally, In his ten-piece band, Trey wrote all of the horn charts for the five-piece horn section. Trey might not be 'considered' one of the most accomplished composers of his time,' but I don't think Zappa was considered to be an accomplished composer in his time by the music press, even though, in my opinion, Zappa was accomplished, even if he didn't get his due by the music press.


 * As for Trey's guitar playing-he IS an accomplished guitar player. Don't let the jam-band label or the noodling inherent to Phish's music fool you, the man has dedicated himself to his instrument and it shows. You point out that Trey didn't make the top 50 of the Rolling Stone list. Well, niether did Eddie Van Halen (#70), and he is definitely considered an accomplished guitarist. Meanwhile, Jack White (#17), Kurt Cobain (#12), and John Giuliano (#1) made the top 50. White and Cobain maybe innovative and influential, but they are not better guitar players than Trey and EVH, I don't care who you ask. And I haven't even heard of John Giuliano. (it's not a question of who's more interesting, or influential, or original, when you're talking about chops [technique] Trey and EVH outshine White and Cobain.) I don't hate Jack White, but I think Rolling Stone goes out of it's way to lick this guy's ass. He's really not one of the top 20 guitar players of all time.

Cleanup Operation
Alright, look: someone, or a succession of someones, came in since the last time I dropped by this article and they totally butchered it. There are grammatical, spelling, HTML, and other assorted errors that weren't there before.

When I first expanded and edited this article, my simple and humble intention was to add some technical information about Anastasio's guitar playing and his composition style and techniques. Someone then came in and did a little cleanup on the intro, which was refreshing and much needed. Then better pictures were added, which I also thought was great.

It would appear, as all too often happens across the board on Wikipedia, that another party came in behind us and decided to take out this-and-that they didn't like, and then to add this-and-that that they thought would be appropriate, without the slightest consideration for the basic standards of quality to which any encyclopedic, even pseudo-scholarly volume should adhere.

I am now going to repair this vandalism.

Also, in response to psfitzgibbon's posting above, I would like to say the following: Anastasio is no stranger to music notation in all its subtleties and complexities. While I would suggest that the scope of Anastasio's knowledge and exercise in music composition, as evidenced by his discography (with which psfitzgibbon is undoubtedly thoroughly familiar, disc-for-disc), far exceeds that of a James Taylor or Paul McCartney, I do grasp the content of the poster's basic idea--superlatives are always POV, whether backed by Rolling Stone or not. As part of my cleanup operation this evening, I am going to remove from the article the commentary in question. CurtLindsay 17:50 PST, 20 Feb 2006

Splitting Hairs
To say that Trey does not often use "finger tapping" is simpy incorrect, which should be fairly obvious to anyone who knows the sound a guitar makes when someone taps with their fingers instead of plucking with a pick. This is a majority of the reason that his playing sounds so fluid and clean- because often times multiple notes will be tapped instead of picked. Plus, with many of the complex patterns Trey uses, and the speed at which he plays them, it would be a waste of energy and sound to pick each individual note, rather than simply hammering onto the string.


 * What you are describing are hammer-ons and pull-offs, the person who wrote that quote was referring to one-handed and two-handed tapping, which is common to 'shred' guitar and popularized by Eddie Van Halen. Trey does not make use of those tapping techniques much in his playing, so I think it is an accurate statement to include on the page. It's true that he doesn't pick every note individually, but Hammer-ons and pull-offs are not generally referred to as 'tapping,' so because he uses those techniques does not mean he 'taps.'

Bolding Treys side projects
Should the names of treys other bands and side projects be bolded? None of there names are directed to this article, so perhaps just have them italicized? Thoughts?--Gephart 04:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Drug Addictions
Not to cast a negative slant on this otherwise well-written article, but I was suprised to find no mention of his alleged problems with narcotics. I know he has never been "busted", publically checked into reh-hab or made a formal statement regarding the matter, but much as an article on Keith Richards wouldn't be complete without a paragraph detailing his life-long battles with addiction, this also seems incomplete without at least a nod to the seemingly well-substantiated allegations amongst his fans about drug abuse.

What drugs does he abuse? I know he's admitted to LSD, Marijuana, and alcohol use. As for Crack Cocaine, Heroin, PCP, MDMA, Meth, Queludes, San Pedro cactus, Peyote cactus, psilocibin mushrooms, Amanita muscaria mushrooms, salvia divinorum, or Ayahuasca abuse, that remains to be substantiated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.27.118.187 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 20 Oct 2006 (UTC)


 * "Well substantiated allegations among fans" isn't encyclopedic, as there is no original research here. Substantiated in a reputable source is encyclopedic. BabuBhatt 20:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps a distinction between use and abuse is needed. Use of LSD and marijuana in no way entail abuse. He said in a Rolling Stone interview that he found cocaine freebasing problematic so he stopped, which seems like a hallmark of a person who doesn't abuse drugs but merely use them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.73.49.9 (talk • contribs) 21:13, 24 Oct 2006 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure this is relevant information. Particularly if you look at how his bust in Dec. 2006 is given a very lengthy paragraph at the end of his biographical information. I think at best this warrants a sentence or two, but it seems terribly unbalanced. Frankmccloud 15:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Trey's Middle Name
I don't have any sources in front of me, but as a long time fan of the band I do remember seeing, on several occasions, Trey's middle name reported as "Guiseppe", as in "Ernest Guiseppe Anastasio". (I remember thinking "how did 'Trey' come out of that?". Prior to reading this Wiki page, I had never seen his middle name reported as "Joseph".  I certainly don't have grounds for editing the page, based solely upon memory...however, "Guiseppe" obviously not that common a name is not the sort of name one forgets.  Does anybody have definitive evidence that the reports I remember are indeed false...definitive evidence that his name is "Joseph".  I feel as if it might have been reported "Guiseppe" in the PHISH BOOK (that coffee table-sized book from a few years back).  Any info?
 * My understanding is that his given middle name is the Italian "Guiseppe", but on legal documents, he uses the Englishisation™ of it, Joseph. —bbatsell ¿?  20:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The name Trey comes from the fact that he is the third Ernest. His dad being Ernest Jr. I've been told so by Erny himself.

Date of Birth
His recent mugshot shows his date of birth as Apr 13, 1966 but the article shows it as Sep 30, 1964. What's the source of the 1964 date?

This is a good point, someone should hange the date on the page, since I doubt the police got it wrong...


 * That mugshot is the first time that birthdate has EVER been seen. In every other instance, it has always been September 30th, 1964, and in all articles, his age quoted is consistent with a 1964 birthdate instead of a 1966 birthdate.  Basically, unless Trey has been misrepresenting his age for many, many, many years, yes, the police got it wrong. —bbatsell  ¿?  20:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sources: .  There are more.  0 found for April 13. —bbatsell  ¿?  22:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * After looking at the references for the 1964 birthdate, I've changed it to match the mugshot photo, which likely came from his driver's license, and has been printed in dozens of reputable news media. The 1964 references included Allmusic and IMDB, which are no more reliable than Wikipedia. The NY Times page pointed to by User:Bbatsell says it is sourced from Allmovies, which is also not very reliable. The Phish Companion reference is probably the best one for the 1964 date, but as it is a collaborative fan-compiled book, it may not be accurate either. Strobilus (talk) 14:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Check any Phish show that occurs on September 30th and the crowd will be singing happy birthday to Trey and he acknowledges it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.198.107.212 (talk) 14:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you honestly expect us to take "the crowd singing 'Happy Birthday'" as a source over THE COPS?!? &mdash;  Music  Maker  5376  14:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

His birthday is definitely September 30, 1964. The Albany Times Union, explained the mistake in an article on December 17, 2006. The police forgot to change the date from the person who was arrested before Trey. http://timesunion.com/archives/secure/docheckout.asp?action=Get+Doc+Tag&dblist=TX2006_ALBANYTU&tagnum=200612160148&papid=albanytu&suffixes=false&synonyms=false&thesfile=savesufx.fth&view=rtemplate&templatetype=legacy&query=anastasio+AND+tdate%28December%29&outputtype=DOCXSLT

and this, which Trey helped edit... http://www.phish.com/releases/detail.php?ID=17

And yes, if everyone, including his family and other band members, sings happy birthday for 20 years in a row on September 30th and he thanks them, I'd say that's a slight clue. Not to mention hundreds of past articles in major publications that mention his correct birthdate (including some in Rolling Stone). Search the Albany Times Union Archives. And then perhaps you can change the article accordingly.Bank233 (talk) 02:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me, I'll change the birth date back and use the Albany Times and Phish Companion references. Strobilus (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I am a childhood friend of Trey's he was definitely NOT born in 1966. I cannot remember his exact date, but believe that it is at the end of September. - Neal McGrath


 * An existing footnote states this about the April 3, 1964: "Confusion regarding date of birth was clarified by the Albany Times Union on December 16, 2006. See Times Union archives." It did not link to that article. So here is that Times Union article, in an archive of the one User:Bank233 supplied above ... contrary to the claim of April 3 in the lead sentence, that Times Union article agrees with AllMusic.com that his birth date is Sept. 30, 1964. --Tenebrae (talk)

Origin
The Origin on the page says Fort Worth Texas. But didnt Phish start in Vermont, and arent all members from Vermont?

You guys are Idiots. He is from Vermont, not from Fort Worth Texas. Jesus H. Christ
 * It is nit-picking, I guess. He was born in Fort Worth and moved to Princeton, NJ. If origin = birthplace, it should be Fort Worth. If origin = where musical ambitions started, that would be Princeton, NJ, since he was in many musical activities there. As for the Phish thing, that is about that specific band while this article is dealing exclusively with Trey. -- moe.RON   Let's talk  05:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where he was born, but he DEFINITELY grew up in Princeton, NJ. He lived in the house behind mine and I knew him from the time I was a young child until his parents sold the house to a family named Lawler in the late 1970s, then I lost touch with him. I have a photo of him in front of my house at the age of about 10, sitting on my bicycle making a peace sign. I lost touch with him during my high school years and saw him only occasionally after that, so cannot comment on anything after say 1980.

Please don't call people "idiots" when actually you don't have the facts.

Neal McGrath


 * Did he touch you? Did you touch him?  Did you have "swordfights"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.134 (talk) 12:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Hand/Heart/UVM
I have heard this story many times and believe it to be true, but have never seen it attributed to a reliable source. Does one exist that can be cited? Davedonohue 16:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've heard of this as well but cannot verify it. Trey seems decadent enough for it to be true but how can such a thing be verified?  --Teetotaler{{subst:image source|Image:18 steps.JPG)) Betacommand {{sup|(talk • contribs • Bot)}} 00:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

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 * I've removed the reference from the article per WP:BLP. It's been tagged for a source for almost two years now. It should have been removed immediately-- under BLP, anything not properly sourced should be removed if potentially libelous. Wellspring (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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Description of "The Horseshoe Curve"
The entire paragraph (quoted below) describing Trey's latest album, "The Horseshoe Curve," has been copied and pasted directly from the phish.com website. If this isn't a violation of copyright, it is at least tacky. An original description of "The Horseshoe Curve" should be written instead.

The text in question: On July 24 2007, Trey will release his new album The Horseshoe Curve via his own Rubber Jungle Records on both CD and limited pressing vinyl. Instrumental from start to finish, The Horseshoe Curve showcases Anastasio's Afro-Cuban-influenced improvisations, replete with five-part horn arrangements, tight breaks, multiple percussionists, and Anastasio's guitar work. The album is exploration of the big band funk that Anastasio has been steeped in for the larger part of the decade. Taken from the following webpage: http://www.phish.com/news/index.php?year=2007#story370

Biography
I removed a portion of the biography as it pertained to Trey's marriage due to inaccurate information. Please post credible, linkable sources when adding such information. Rjvaughn1979 (talk) 14:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

New Jersey
Not a single mention of Trey growing up (at least some of the time) in the state of New Jersey? There's a mention of a couple NJ schools he went to but nothing else. There ought to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.90.65 (talk) 19:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Princeton, NJ
Trey grew up in a small neighborhood not far from the Princeton Shopping Center in Princeton, NJ. He lived in a small development which, at the time it was built in 1957, it was one of the first integrated neghborhoods in the town and was specifically designed to be that way. Growing up, it was common to hear his parents playing records which were speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr. He attended public schools (first John Witherspoon, then later Community Park School) until middle school, at which point he began attending private schools. I recall him once commenting to me, as we caught up after a year or two in a local pizza place called Victor's (no longer there) that the other students were mean, spoiled rich kids who treated one another with great disrespect. "You'll be talking to someone you think is your friend and he'll think nothing of slamming the locker door shut and walking away" were his exact words. He lived in Princeton until the late 1970s, 1979 I believe, when his parents separated and sold the house they'd lived in up to that point.

User:Nealmcgrtah —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nealmcgrath (talk • contribs) 22:11, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Biography - 2000's - 2009 - Recentism
Do you mean to tell me Trey hasn't performed since September? INCOMPLETE fix it gnomes. Just kidding - actually I'm removing a whole bunch of non-notable recentism. 24.121.24.203 (talk) 19:05, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * And I'm going to revert it. There's no reason for the info's removal.  It needs to be cited and rewritten, but that's not a reason to remove it.  &mdash;  Music  Maker  5376  13:42, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Remembering balance of POV AND ALSO topics that may sound negative
While some people seem to seek out the articles on people who have had distasteful brushes with the law, we have to keep things in perspective, and remember that we are writing a biography here of a living person. Whatever is written about Trey's drug arrests should be done with some taste and balance; subsequent rehab and community service are positive things, yet over-mentioning these facts seems to only draw additional attention to the issue. I saw Keith Richards' name someplace on this page and have to wonder; if other editors were not so vigilant, his biography page would look like nothing but a drugology rather than the life story of a man who not only had brushes with the law and problems with substances, but also that of a creative composer of popular songs with staying power, guitar technique, and a huge fan base. Can not the same be said of Anastasio? Granted, he's only had half the time writing songs and performing as Richards! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 02:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Merger
I noticed on the Trey Anastasio Band article, that there was a decision to merge the article with this one, but haven't seen any effort on that yet... is there someone here who is working on that? I plan to place a couple of very recent and certainly better quality photos on his article, once I know where things will be. (That photo from 2003 in the infobox here is really poor, for example!) This isn't on my watchlist, so if anyone would like to discuss this further, please do contact my talk page. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 07:19, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Um, ok, answering myself here
I have begun placing photos of better quality on the page, wikifying, and copyediting to a minor degree. Some people have been adding appearances by Anastasio here that do have references and I was able to match an image with them, but would like it if someone would please contact me on my talk page so perhaps we can make a merger and some progress on this article as painless and quick as possible. Any new editors who are interested, please feel free to contact me also --lets join together and see this article really take shape!--Leahtwosaints (talk) 02:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

So Trey Designed the Red Bull Tab, huh?
I marked it as dubious. I know it's funny, but it's not true. Wikipedia is not the place. Adamlankford (talk) 06:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Posting photos
I have photos of Trey's childhood home and of him as a youngster, but cannot figure out how to post them - can someone help me out here? I apparently do not understand how to do this properly...

(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC).


 * I have added this image to the biography section. LukeRichards18 (talk) 15:32, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Picture vandalism
Over the past day, here are a couple instances. Can someone page protect? here and here. Bangabandhu (talk) 17:17, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks like it's only coming from one user so far, so not sure if page protection will be needed if that user ends up being blocked. I posted a final warning notice on their talk page after the last revert, and if they do it again report them to AIV. If it stops at that point, then page protection won't be needed.

Edit: And the user's been blocked. Wildthing61476 (talk) 17:40, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Lead vocalist or lead guitarist?
"Best known as the lead vocalist of the rock band Phish"

I would say he is best known as the lead guitarist of the rock band Phish. 136.49.125.131 (talk) 20:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)