Talk:Trial of Anders Behring Breivik

Police still investigating in full – is that unusual?
One week before the trial begins it is reported that "police are still investigating the case in full". Is this unusual? Should it be mentioned in this article? __meco (talk) 18:45, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I can't cite any sources, but I don't think it is the norm. However, I don't think it is that unusual either, especially in big cases.  As far as I know the trial dates on all court cases in Norway are set at an early stage, before the police might have had any possibility to finish their evidence gathering, especially if it is a big case.  If it is a relatively minor case then it is of course fairly easy and quick to gather evidence.  Since you speak Norwegian you can always search Norwegian newspapers for texts that imply "ennå ikke ferdig med å samle bevisene" and variants words of this.  Or maybe Statistisk Sentralbyrå, Politiet, Domstoladministrasjonen, or Justisdepartementet have some kind of statistics.  -Laniala (talk) 14:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't Fjordman be described as "anti-Islamic"?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought "Islamist" referred to proponents of political Islam. Fjordman is clearly opposed to Islam in general. --Tshloab (talk) 09:47, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

"Nazi salute"
Breivik's salute wasn't a "nazi salute", that's just the ignorant media talking bullshit. He describes in the manifesto that he's invented it as a templar salute and that it is modelled on leftist salutes. --129.16.190.128 (talk) 10:31, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Now it's changed as "righ wing salute". A closed fist salute (communist one) is now a right wing salute only because the media is keeping on this idiocy? Wikipedia, anyone here with a brain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.236.27.35 (talk) 15:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * We base our edits on information published by reliable sources. If you can present a reliable source which contradicts the currently referenced text, that could be added to the article. __meco (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Indictment
Uploaded the English version of the indictment, if it should be of interest. -Laniala (talk) 19:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Press alt-shift-c and add it. __meco (talk) 20:14, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

"Day One" - "First Day" not a good idea !
The way things were changed, we now will have on the last day: "Fiftieth day" instead of day 50. Does anyone else think it should now be changed back to Day 1... Day 50? Eugene-elgato (talk) 08:20, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * have changed it unilaterally but please anyone explain why have "first...tenth...thirty-eighth day"Eugene-elgato (talk) 12:22, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I believe that the entire system with a section for every day needs to be reconsidered. By the time the trial is over, we will have 50 sections for each day if this continues, which is really quite excessive. Wikipedia is not a news service, and what was said on whay day is probably the kind of detail we should avoid. I think broader sections such as "Opening statements" and "Breivik's testimony" are more appropriate. Sjakkalle (Check!)  19:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, i know... it's not a blog or anything... but for now, just to get the detail in, and then work with what we've got, perhaps it's helpful? at least for wikipedians? otherwise we will lose all the details in the history of the news, and no-one will have the inclination to go after all that information nor would we know what we have to work with to begin with, before working with itEugene-elgato (talk) 07:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

schedule
It would be informative if the article included the schedule for the trial. Belorn (talk) 14:01, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Has the trial stopped ? GrahamHardy (talk) 11:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any scehdule anywhere, unfortunately. It would indeed be very useful.
 * The updates in the article of the progression of the trial has stopped, which makes the article look a bit weird at the moment. But I am sure someone will fix it one day. ;-) Njardarlogar (talk) 09:27, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

There is a schedule in Norwegian here. Njardarlogar (talk) 08:19, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The article hasn't been updated for a while, but the trial is certainly ongoing. The last days testimony has been heard from the survivors at Utøya. There is also a controversy surrounding the second psychiatric report that the board "took into account", but did not formally accept or reject. Sjakkalle (Check!)  17:31, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Was confidentiality waived
Did ABB waive confidentiality in regard to public statements made by the surgeon who performed ABB's nose operation? --Vistamesa (talk) 10:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Translation of "forvaring"
The BBC article from the 24th translates "forvaring" as 'preventive detention', whereas the official webpages of the Oslo District Court translates it as 'permanent detention'. Yet, at another place, it has also used 'preventive detention'. Which translation should be used? Njardarlogar (talk) 17:34, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I prefer "preventive detention". "Permanent detention" is worse because forvaring is by default time limited, and there needs to be a court order to extend it. Since the extension can only be five years at a time, it is never officially "permanent", although it is in practice indefinite. Note that "preventive detention" means different things in different countries. Looking at the preventive detention article, the Norwegian "preventive detention" is pretty much the same as in Germany, but in many other places it refers to a preemptive arrest before or even without any trial and conviction. Sjakkalle (Check!)  20:32, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's permanent in the sense that it is not short term: 5 years is not a normal length of detention. Length of 'regular' detention is often measured in days or weeks; and shouldn't last longer than for e.g. a year or so in total. Njardarlogar (talk) 11:12, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Begining point of the sentence
Is the begining of the sentence the arrest day july 25th 2011 or day of the end of trial august 24th 2012, meaning in theory will he have possibility to be free july 25th 2032 or august 24th 2033?--RicHard-59 (talk) 19:56, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If I understand what the source says: As of the day of verdict, he was sentenced to 21 years in prison (which can be extended indefinitely - repeatedly by five years at a time), with 445 days counted as time served. The source also explains that while he was arrested 399 days before the verdict, each day spent in isolation counts as two days for the purpose of time served before the sentencing. Please also note that a person sentenced to the maximum penalty in Norway may be granted parole even after 10 years in prison (but unless the sentence is extended because the perpetrator is deemed to be still a danger to society, he MUST be released after 21 years). - Mike Rosoft (talk) 17:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

For the record
This article was originally created by a user who had been blocked from editing Wikipedia, and who was using a sockpuppet account to evade the block. Standard practice for articles created by means of block evasion is that the articles are to be deleted regardless of their merits (and with no prejudice against their being re-created by other users), unless the article has been substantially expanded by other users. Because this article has been substantially expanded by other users, it will not be deleted. DS (talk) 13:50, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Lacoste and Chanel
"Lacoste, the French fashion label known by its green crocodile logo, is reported to have asked the authorities in Norway to prevent Anders Behring Breivik from wearing the brand.":. His other big "big brand passion" was apparently Chanel's "Platinum Egoiste" cologne:. Should these be mentioned somehow? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:17, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

One clinic (1983, 1984), one psychologist (several reports 1983, 1984), one child-psychiatrist (cirka 0 observations-with-report) at the clinic
In case the following is of help to this wiki-article: The psychologist who wrote the report (in 1983 or 1984) was forbidden by Behring, to give evidence at Breivik's trial (in 2012); Behring herself was excused from testifying (in 2012) on health grounds. Sources: https://www.tv2.no/a/8142855/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9592433/Anders-Behring-Breiviks-mother-sexualised-him-when-he-was-four.html. 89.8.150.12 (talk) 06:09, 10 April 2021 (UTC)