Talk:Trial of Erich von Manstein

Comments
Nice work with this article. I know it's not always great form to suggest material for others to add, but here goes! I think that the article would benefit from some background on what von Manstein did after the war (eg, was he in a POW facility of some kind), more material on how the prosecution case against him unfolded (the article describes von Manstein's defence, but not how the prosecution proved their case) and material on how the trial is seen by modern historians; since the myth of the 'clean Wehrmacht' was first popped in the 1980s there seems to have been something of a reevaluation of von Manstein, which has accelerated in recent years. The statement that Churchill placed pressure on the British Government to release von Manstein is also a bit odd given that he was the head of the government at the time! Nick-D (talk) 10:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the great feedback, Nick-D. I have a pretty scathing biography here by Benoît Lemay that I will use later to get the rest of the story fleshed out once I get the main article up to GA. Of course anyone with access to additional resources is welcome to add/change stuff in the meantime. -- Dianna (talk) 14:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

GA Status
I think this article could pass for a GA status. Should I nominate it? Jonas Vinther (talk) 09:16, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay; I can help. The books used are still available at my library. The lead is too short and we need a bit more background material. I will bring home the books tomorrow (Lemay and Melvin are the two available locally) and get started on GA prep. -- Diannaa (talk) 23:15, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have gone ahead and added the improvements and nominated for GA. It's probably better if I do it as I am the primary author of the page. Please feel free to help out if you like. -- Diannaa (talk) 00:58, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, friend. I will add an emotional and important quote regarding Manstein's involvement with the Einzatsgruppen very soon. Actually, I intend to add it right after I saved this edit. :) Jonas Vinther (talk) 22:11, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The quote has been added. Under "Defence" section. Jonas Vinther (talk) 22:28, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have amended your addition and moved it to a better spot. Please don't make value judgements by using words such as "infamous", as such terms do not adhere to WP:NPOV. -- Diannaa (talk) 01:21, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright. Jonas Vinther (talk) 01:50, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

(OtherReason for his release
Stalin was found dead in March 1953, this soon led to the USSR release of Hitler's last promoted Field Marshal, Friedrich Paulus (though first in October). But didn't the death of Stalin had an affect on von Manstein's release ? '''Something went wrong here, please se below. Sorry''' Boeing720 (talk) 04:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

(Other) reasons for his release ?
Stalin was found dead in March 1953 [murder cannot be entirelly ruled out], this soon led to the USSR release of Hitler's last promoted Field Marshal, Friedrich Paulus (though first in October). But didn't the death of Stalin had an affect on von Manstein's release aswell ? If not else, so to test the USSR response. In May 1953 the situation in USSR still was rather unknown (to the west), so it was "a good point of time" in that sence. Also his points of views in a "Communist attempt to invade western Europe- scenario" was of great interest to NATO, that had far less (conventional) military potential (in Europe, atleast) at that time. And he was a master of how to do the best of such situations. (1953 was still before H-bombs could be launched with intercontinental missiles) Boeing720 (talk) 04:43, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Available sources don't show any connection between Stalin's death and Manstein's release. -- Diannaa (talk) 17:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Similar subject - Trial of Wehrmacht
I don't know the synthax to reach other Wikipedias, but I found this article at German Wikipedia (extern full URL) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prozess_Oberkommando_der_Wehrmacht It makes me also wonder why von Manstein wasn't among those German generals ? Although in German, I find it rather understanable, atleast the table of prosecuted and their punishments. I found High Command Trial and War crimes of the Wehrmacht, but both needs improvements. The latter is much of a blur. Boeing720 (talk) 15:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

GA2?
Diannaa, if you want, I can review this article for GA-status? I understand you were unsatisfied with the last one? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 14:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * No thanks Jonas. Sturmvogel made it clear in his review that there was a lot of information missing, and I can't afford to buy the suggested book. It's fine at B-class. -- Diannaa (talk) 14:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Aftermath
Donald Bloxham is describing in detail the pressure of German Government and ignorant military etablishment to free Manstein. (Punishing German Soldiers during the Cold War: The Case of Erich von Manstein. in Patterns of Prejudice, Volume 33, 1999 - Issue 4

Daniel Cowling is describing the domestic reception of the trial and the reductions of the punishment. (Journal of Contemporary History)

--5glogger (talk) 19:48, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Overreliance on single source
Hello all. I just wanted to raise attention to this article over-relying on a single source, Melvin, for much of its body text. 30 of the 48 footnote citations belong to this single source, and entire sections (e.g. "prosecution") rely exclusively on Melvin as a source. If other contributors could add other sources to corroborate events I think it would improve the article. 47.218.254.131 (talk) 06:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)