Talk:Triangle Fraternity/Archive 1

Chapter Roll
Maybe it is just me, but I think the page should have the chapter roll in chronological order alone (or at least along with the alphabetical order).

Just my 2 cents.

david lasoski lou02

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I agree. Let's switch it up.

And while we're at it, why don't we include the inactive chapters and colonies and note them. Plus we can denote each with their respective greek characters (i.e. Marquette is the Rho Chapter).

Andrew M. Dolder marq04

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Listing inactive chapters would be very helpful to readers who aren't current with Triangle news; I was puzzled to find that my Alma Mater's chapter didn't appear on the list, only to find (at the Triangle Web site) that that chapter had become inactive in the years since I graduated.

-- jsg Cornell 1981

Links to chapter websites
To avoid violating WP:3RR and misuse of reversion per WP:Revert, I think we should discuss this content dispute here rather than in edit summaries.

The long list of chapter websites included under *External links* was quite validly removed citing WP:NOT & WP:EL. Considering however, that the chapter websites directly relate to the topic of the article in that a fraternity is made up of chapters rather than the national organization, and considering the first rule in WP:DR, I decided to improve the article by associating the website links to the individual chapters included in the chapter roll. Having each link directly next to each chapter's entry in the Chapter roll highlights its topicality & usefulness to the article as per WP:EL. It would, of course, be preferable per the guidelines to have Wikipedia articles for each chapter and internal links to them, however I should think one would run into problems with WP:NN. I truly don't believe that having the links in the article's body violates either WP:NOT or WP:EL since the policy is to keep external links to a minimum- not to an arbitrary number; but even if it did I would say that WP:IAR applies since they really do improve the article. However, opinions can vary. How do you feel the guidelines apply in this case? --Elipongo (Talk 18:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC) (Elias Friedman conn88)


 * But it's the same thing, just in a different form. All you're doing is putting the links next to chapter names rather than in a long list at the end. It still violates WP:NOT. Is there perhaps a list of chapter links on the national website that can be directly linked to? At FBLA-PBL, we changed the dozens of links to state websites (and some local chapter ones as well) to 2 links contained on the national website. Is there anything like this for this organization? Metros232 19:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The consensus is forming that that chapter lists are ok, but external links are not. See Articles for deletion/List of chapters and colonies of Tau Kappa Epsilon. Smaller fraternities like Triangle should have the list on the page and larger ones should have a separate list page. --rogerd (Triangle - Ky '75) 02:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Colors
According to Rose (color), old rose is hex "C08081", which is obviously different than the colors on the Triangle crest. However, I have put them there for reference. If any other Triangles here want to state an opinion as to what the true color should be, please add your $.02 here. --rogerd 18:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC) (Ky '75)
 * To my eye, the color in the crest seems to match up pretty well to Falu red.&mdash; Elias Friedman, Conn '88 --Elipongo (Talk 15:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, and there's the problem. Should the link in the infobox link to "old rose", or to "falu red"? I think the fraternity has, over the years migrated to a darker shade of red slowly, I don't remember that shade being used in the 70s, but it wasn't this, either. --rogerd 18:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps so, or it may have been the case that when the official colors were adopted, the pigment recipes hadn't yet been standardized. The Falu red article states that its recipe was finalized in the 1920s. National's history page shows that the official colors were adopted in February of 1913. This page over at National has some defined web colors it that's any help. It may very well be the case that a stricter definition of the official colors should be debated at the next National Convention.&mdash; Elias Friedman (Conn88) --Elipongo (Talk 00:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed it to the codes on that page. It is still linked to the internal link for Old Rose, even though it is different than the official definition. --rogerd 01:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to complicate things a little bit more

, my dusty synapses just remembered from my pledge education that the actual color in the crest is Gules, that being the closest color to Old Rose available in Heraldric description. --Elipongo (Talk 05:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I remembered something like that, too although I had forgotten the name of the substitute color (It's been 13 more years for me). The color displayed in Image:Heraldic Shield Gules.svg doesn't look much like either the Real "Old Rose", nor the color of the Triangle crest. Oh, well, I guess, unless you have a better idea, we could leave it as it currently is. FS&C --rogerd 17:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Kevin Granata
Is there any reference to his membership? I've looked around a bit and have yet to find any evidence. Maybe it's just me, but can anyone find a true reference? Jmlk17 22:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.triangle.org/docs/VT_Press_Release.doc --rogerd 22:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thank you. Good work! Jmlk17 22:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It's unfortunate that Granata lost his life in the Virginia Tech Massacre, but does he really merit being in this short list? (There are lots of Triangles who have become professors.) Having said that, I acknowledge that the accomplishments in his short life were impressive. Casey (talk) 02:35, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The list is a cross reference. I would favor paring it down if we were inundated with Triangles with Wikipedia articles, but so far we haven't been yet. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 03:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I concur. However, my observation also would apply to Ellison Onizuka, who is mainly famous for losing his life in the Challenger disaster. Buck Crump, a member of the Purdue chapter, became president of the Canadian Pacific Railway but I don't have a citeable Triangle-link reference handy at the moment. Casey (talk) 13:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Triangle History
I think that we should add a history of Triangle on this article. I've noticed that most other fraternity's articles include a much more developed history than ours (including items such as establishment, early years, tough times, modern times, etc.). Any way we can incorporate that into this article? I've tried looking at National's webpage, but it's mostly just an unengaging chronological history. I'm not sure if we're allowed to use parts from the more well developed version of our history that we've all heard, nor can I think of a good way to cite that online. Also, should we include the Code of Ethics as well? I've noticed this on some other fraternity's articles and believe that it helps describe the ideals of the Fraternity. BigP14 13:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Triangle's historical facts in the article should probably reflect what is on the National's webpage www.triangle.org/about/history/chronology/. Otherwise, if one sorority's founding is in the Triangle article, then Triangle's involvement with 2 other eng sororities' foundings should be included too. Newsun (talk) 14:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my late reply on this. Sources for citations needn't be available online, printed material is perfectly acceptable. Something like the pledge handbook or that member directory I've got lying around here someplace would do just fine. F/S/C &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 03:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that this article is extremely underdeveloped in general. I think it would be pretty easy to add stuff in a history section as well as on our code of ethics. I will maybe try to add some stuff in the next few weeks, if anyone wants to help I will be drawing mainly from my own experience and the info on triangle.org Talk-Maxwell(cal09) March 21, 2010  —Preceding undated comment added 06:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC).

Notable Triangle alumni
An anon added Joel "Joe" Henry Hinrichs III ou06 to the list today. On most articles I just remove such things with a summary like, "Please only add persons who have an article on Wikipedia, this section is meant to serve as a cross reference". However Mr. Hinrichs is the main subject of the 2005 University of Oklahoma bombing article, which is more than can be said of many of the other listings. I red linked all the other unlinked names because on Wikipedia notable has a pretty specific meaning and that list should consist of people who have or will likely have an article written about them. I'm sure if anyone wanted to take the time to look it up, they could find multiple, non-trivial mentions of these men in reliable sources. Anyways, F/S/C. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 03:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and just linked his name to the relevant article. --Daydreamer302000 (talk) 09:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC) ok91

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List of Triangle Alumni
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I am working on separating the list of notable Triangle alumni on this article into its own page (working on it at Draft:List of Triangle Fraternity brothers). Heads up that I'm removing members that don't have their own Wikipedia page or don't have any references that can verify their affiliation. Jmnbqb (talk) 04:30, 28 January 2018 (UTC)