Talk:Trinidad Moruga scorpion

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Picture
Can someone add a picture please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigal4336 (talk • contribs)

Breed/cultivar
I am unable to send a photo, but I wish to correct botanical terminology about chiles in general. The varieties if not called 'varieties' should be referred to as 'cultivars', they are not dogs, cattle, sheep or goats, so they are not 'breeds.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.221.43 (talk) 20:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I changed it, but next time you could make such corrections yourself (less work than writing this comment, after all). Han-Kwang (t) 17:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding a Picture.
I don't know how to add a picture, but I'm sure someone here could do it.

if you can, please do so. Picture of a ' Trinidad Moruga Scorpion ' pepper

Thanks. Thek0rin (talk) 15:28, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You can only include a picture into Wikipedia if the copyright owner allows it. This seems to be an arbitrary picture taken from a Google picture search, so it does not qualify for inclusion. Han-Kwang (t) 19:40, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

This pepper is not recognized by the Guinness organization.
I have concerns with the claim that this is the world's hottest chile pepper as the Guinness organization still lists the Trinidad "Butch T" as the hottest pepper as of 8-27-12. If the results of the tests of the heat of this pepper were conclusive, why hasn't this pepper been granted world record status through Guinness? I am doubtful of the merit of the claims, and believe that this page should be amended to reflect the fact that they are not "Officially" the hottest. The Title of World's Hottest Chile pepper has in all previous cases, such as the Red Savina Habanero and the Bhut Jolokia been bestowed by Guinness, but in this case the title was neither bestowed or certified by Guinness. Without an impartial certifying body can the title be considered valid?


 * If the NMSU claims live up to what they say, I am sure it will just be a matter of time before it's certified with Guinness also. Of course by then, there will probably be another new hottest chile. It's really a tricky process since there are so many variables involved which can affect the overall amount of capsaicin in a chile. --Jsderwin (talk) 12:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This is actually a good question to bring up since currently Guinness notes the Carolina Reaper holds the record (link). Rated by a South Carolina University at 1,569,300 Scovilles on average, that would beat the Trinidad at around 1.2 million on average as derived by the New Mexico State University.
 * Guinness uses the South Carolina University values (seen in reference [2] in the article) to declare the Carolina Reaper as the hottest however there is a conflict of interest in those numbers offered by the South Carolina University. The PuckerButt Pepper Company which produces the Carolina Reaper is located in the State of Carolina, (235 Main St, Fort Mill, SC 29715, to be specific) so there is going to be bias in their own local University home-boy's achievements.
 * Searching around using Google I find that there is no secondary source for tests on the Carolina Reaper's proposed Scovilles, they all reference Guinness which references the South Carolina University, so I would treat the claim as unverified. On the other hand the Trinidad has had enough time that multiple test sites have achieved much the same results of 1.2 million Scovilles on average.
 * It's vastly interesting to watch, there are chili and pepper connoisseurs who love virtually every chili, every pepper they can find, and everyone has two or three favorites, yet having chilies developed in one's home State by a local developer can't help but bias testing. I think Guinness did something of a disservice to dismiss possible regional bias, but in the end both chilies are more likely neck-and-neck in the Scovilles. ;) What fun. Damotclese (talk) 21:07, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

South Carolina Controversy
The laboratory work that was done by the South Carolina University has not been replicated yet however their claim that the Carolina reaper as the world's hottest may stand up, we don't yet have any lab that has been able to repeat their test results.

Genetically the strain that is being called the Carolina Reaper is very close to a spectrum of other chilies using the common stock however the SCU applied selection bias in their testing which may be why no other lab can confirm their results. Their lab has an economic bias so their lab checked many different chilies and have only reported their highest values, not their mean values -- no other lab does that since that's cheating.

I see that there is a lot of anger in blogs and discussion forums that cater to "hot heads" pepper and chili cult followers yet until other labs replicate SCU's anomalous results, the experts still classify Trinidad as the hottest despite world record books. BiologistBabe (talk) 18:42, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


 * BB, woud you please provide a link to the latest New England Journal of Medicine article that reports on this controversy, please, or provide an extract from their article here? It's a paid subscription but Google Scholar has only an index to the journal article (should not be a copyright infringement to quote small sections of it.) Damotclese (talk) 18:57, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Removal of historic Scholefield record text
The text covering the history of record Scholfield units for the chili has been done twice, with the second comment asking what the history of which chili being #1 has to do with the Moruga.

Typically when a sentence has been in a Wiki page for a very long time and someone suggests a removal, it gets discussed in the Talk:: page first.

For the editor who wants to suggest the text removal, would you please describe your reasons here? Thanks! Damotclese (talk) 18:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Also the text specifically notes that the Moruga was "dethroned" as the world's hottest, so the text appears to me to be wholly legitimate to note that fact. Damotclese (talk) 17:05, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

This is the hottest non-hybrid, correct?
AKA naturally occurring AKA not manipulated AKA you know what I mean. If so, that should probably be mentioned. - Richfife (talk) 19:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

If it is non-manipulated, why does the article say this varietal was "created by Wahid Ogeer of Trinidad." It can't be both native (as the Summary says) and also created by someone (as the Overview says.) Which is it really? ForestMars (talk) 04:20, 20 May 2017 (UTC)