Talk:Trinity Broadcasting Network

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If we are going to quote critics we have to give some idea of what they are criticising it for, not just quote their insults. DJ Clayworth 21:25, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Its time to turn this article into a proper broadcasting related article. It is claimed that TBN is on "thousands" of cable systems. Come on, that is going to take some proving. It would be good to list all of the high power stations and then list areas where the low power relays are located as well as the cable systems. Outside of the USA TBN is on a number of satellites, cable systems and TV stations. They need listing. How about radio? The present article is not very good at all. MPLX/MH 01:45, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * It is time we should turn all Wikipedia articles into proper articles. Hyacinth 02:08, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Too true (and I had to laugh), but what I meant was that we need to treat this as a broadcasting article and not as a religious article and as a broadcasting article it can be treated a sensible manner (yes, I can already hear the retort to that suggestion.) MPLX/MH 06:05, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Separate Criticism Segment Into New Page?
I'm thinking that the segment addressing TBN's controversies is getting long compared to the rest of the article. Perhaps we should separate it into a new page? --Scoutstr295. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.37.3 (talk) 22:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?
Why must people keep adding pointless hyperlinks to the bottom of this page which bash Christianity in various ways? I don't even see why TBN is a good target for this, it looks like it's revert war time, and that's not right! Homestarmy 13:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, I'm thinking the phrases 'Charlatan Broadcasting Network' and 'Having Cunnilingus with your wallet' (in the top-right info box) are certainly not unbiased descriptions of TBN... --Profskett (talk) 15:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Fallacious claims of "hush money" being paid
The link to the story on Crouch in no way says that TBN admitted they paid "hush" money. The only money the story shows paid was $425, 000 in an out of court settlement in regards to Ford's claims of being unjustly fired. Ford claimed he had a manuscript that contained a description of the supposed sexual encounter and the Arbitrator ruled that he had no right to make this claim after the settlement was paid in regards to the other issue of him being fired. Ford then demanded $10 million as a bribe! The claims that TBN made a press release in 2004 admitting paying hush money is completely fallacious. The linked story says no such thing.

You might have a point there, let me see if I can try and edit it so there isn't so much an accusation of hush money and more of a report on that source, give me a minute or so....Homestarmy 21:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

How does what I wrote look? Homestarmy 21:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that totally sounds fair from what the stories actually state. It definitely didn't sound very fair before- especially since the story noted the money was only paid on the claims of being unjustly fired not hush money. The TBN press release, from what I found of it via a google search definitely didn't imply hush money, so. Much better, and it totally sounds fair from the facts we actually know. 13:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

The Positive and The Negative
This page must include the positive and negative areas of TBN. The $425,000 paid in 1998 was a reality. Right or wrong, good or bad; it happened. Critical links that express negative feelings are part of wikipedia just as positive links are.. it's what makes wikipedia informative.


 * Well we have the link still there reporting it im pretty sure. Do you have another link to suggest? Homestarmy 18:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The elephant in the living room is the fact that a lot of believers are getting value from this network. I see no information about how many tens of millions have benefited deeply and profoundly by the hopeful and encouraging messages that are practically absent from the secular media.74.244.247.243 (talk) 14:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Audience larger than traditional secular nets?
That sounds like crap'. Larger potential audience, perhaps. From what I understand Nielsen doesn't follow them since they are paid programs rather than supported by advertising, but to me that sounds like an unsourced lie by some "Christian" who somehow thinks that the "Good Book" says somewhere that the end justifes the means &mdash; or that it ought to!


 * Wait, what line is this in? Homestarmy 18:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * "audience larger than traditional secular nets", yes, at one point, they had an incredible number of viewers during a certain TBN show (Praise the Lord?). There was also a controversy because certain stations in the southeast (?) were allegedly being controlled by TBN, yet not officially owned by TBN.  At that time there were caps on networks, possibly due to the non-profit status.  I don't know if that controversy hit the national papers, but it was in the regional ones.172.129.138.132 23:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Audience larger than traditional secular nets
They do have a very large audience and in many countries. Many people around the world know who they are and watch their network. A lot of people like them. I am one of them. Leave them alone and stick to the facts. It's supposed to be an encyclopedia, not your opinion. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.215.57.165 (talk) 02:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Commercials
One thing that I noticed about this article is that it doesn't say whether TBN runs commercials to make revenue, or where its revenue comes from if not. If someone in the know could add that to the article, that would be great. JYolkowski // talk 00:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think its all donation based, with their praise-a-thons and whatnot. Homestarmy 00:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Since that's what I kind of guessed anyway, and I haven't been able to find anything to the contrary, I'll mention something in the article about it not running ads. Cheers, JYolkowski // talk 22:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I could see money coming in 3 ways: "spots" run during breaks (on TBN and affiliate stations), people paying money to have shows run (on TBN net, TBN stations, and affiliate stations) and donations.172.129.138.132 23:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Acquisition of Holy Land Experience
USA Today ran an article on July 29, 2007 stating that TBN had acquired the "Holy Land Experience" theme park in Orlando, FL. http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-07-29-holy-land-experience_N.htm


 * Asleep at the wheel, eh? I heard the Crouch family boasting about that as early as late May/early June. WAVY 10 15:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

July 21 2013 Marriage and Homosexuals

It is not the case of earliest occurrences of homosexuality was during Ancient Greece, I believe. It was a time when human sexuality was respected and openly accepted, particularly through the "blessings" of the Greek gods and goddesses. Pederasty (or the social significance of the partnering of a young boy and an old man) was prevalent as well, and was probably one of the most significant traits of Ancient Greece. It was common for a man to have a male lover and a woman for procreation. Homosexuality is most prominent in Greek architecture, such as the statues of nude individuals, particularly of men (as the male form was seen as magnificent).

Homosexuality was not restricted only to the western section of the world however; as it was also dominant in Ancient Japan and China, where male relations were given spiritual value and given the utmost respect. Homo-erotic art and poetry had much value in ancient times.

In the ancient world homosexuality was abundant, but as we all know, the implication of organized religion (particularly the Big Three) shattered such ancient traditions and forced the ideal of homosexuality (and in turn, love for the same sex) to deteriorate through the ages until it slowly started resurfacing in the 21st century. The Homosexuals merely want the same rights as straight people and to receive benefits with in their relationship not to change marriage but to get the same treatment by the government by getting healthcare and other things like that. The Church need to stop preaching hates and sees we are all made in Gods image and we must love each other. In Jesus Day their was not a word for homosexual it was not until the twentieth century that homosexuals were hated stop teaching hate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.92.118.14 (talk) 14:29, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Phrase concerning the PTL (not that one) program
I wanted your opinion concerning the following:

"While they are probably the most popular personalities on the network as hosts of the programs Praise The Lord and Behind The Scenes, Paul and Jan Crouch have become increasingly absent from TBN broadcasts, due to health problems and old age."

Could it be argued that another reason (at least in Paul's case) being that sexual harrasment lawsuit filed by a male ex-employee a few years back; because I think that was about the time they "disappeared" for the most part. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 16:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Their absence could just as well be explained by the network having a growing stable of guest hosts along with the younger Crouches who are more effective at attracting audience dollars. Absent any published reason for their absence that can be cited, the last 7 words of that sentence should be dropped. Mike Doughney (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

1995 Chart
Is there some reason we're using a chart from 1995 near the end of this article? WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 19:11, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * This will be updated soon! I think i know where to find this!Darmainc (talk) 21:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Possible idea for expansion
I've heard that TBN is famous among what you might call "industry insiders" for the success of its fundraising work. In particular, most public television/public radio stations need about 20 days of on-air fundraising each year to stay afloat (and sometimes far more than that), and I'm told that TBN does well with a single week.

I don't have a good source for this, though, because this was just in a chat with someone who seemed to know what she was talking about. If a good source can be found, then a comparison might be useful. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

NPOV
Recent edits have removed virtually all less-than-flattering info from this article, essentially turning it into a fluff piece for Paul and Jan (and their offspring). Especially troubling is the removal of all criticisms about their finances. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, If you read back. The content simply was worded into a bad and negative way. Then the financial content was itemized as to what each individual makes instead of rounding the figure. Must do research before touching pages please. This tag will be removed if no response from 69.181.249.93 user Darmainc (talk) 20:11, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I've been trying, but my browser keeps freezing up whenenver I try to view an extended history. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 21:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

We must research before we make BOLD changes. Do you have any question so we can resolve this? Otherwise I am taking the tag down. Darmainc (talk) 21:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I did. In fact, I watched as Codeslingr methodically removed unflattering info. I simply can't access it now for reasons unknown. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 21:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I see that, but this information that Codeslingr took out was really negative and mostly stuff that was worded in a wrongful negative way, and if you fallow the changes, you will see where new information elaborates on some of the negative that was taken out. Codeslingr's edits were in the write to me. Is that all. Did you see the section below this where another user explained the finances? Please cut the tag so I can move on to another wiki page. WE RESEARCH BEFORE WE MAKE CHANGES TO PAGES! Darmainc (talk) 21:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Updated Financials from Credible Monitors of Non Profits
Recent additions to information on TBN's financial filings and reports from Charity Navigators have been added to update the facts on TBN's financial statements. Charity Navigators is a nuetral watchdog organization that analyzes nonprofits from all sectors, and is widely respected as 'neutral' and thorough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellen Brichetto (talk • contribs) 20:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Tag removed due to lack of researchDarmainc (talk) 16:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Updated of financial information from Charity Navigator. Removed paragraphs from this article about Charity Navigator: they rightly belong to the article on that organization. The comparisons of the TBN directors' salaries to salaries in other cable network industries may serve some purpose, but leaves it necessary to also compare these salaries to other institutions, e.g. to other charities, to other religious organizations, etc. and so why this information was also removed. doyleb23 (talk) 04:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The information about TBN is from Charity Navigators so it is a source to validate this information. 173.71.38.6 (talk) 18:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Absolutely, it is a source providing information about TBN. Therefore, information about TBN from Charity Navigator is added to this article, and then cited as a footnote. A expansive paragraph or two about CN is not appropriate. For example, it is misleading to include all the kudos about Charity Navigator's website; none of the comments in that paragraph about the website are about TBN's.  These comments left in this article are easily mistaken as comments about the TBN website.  Further, the word "Charity Navigator" has a link to another wiki page, and one can read everything about that organization there.  It is there that your information is best included.
 * So you are right. It is a source to validate the TBN's revenue. CN's status of TBN as a charity that is both excellent and accountable should be included in this article. And the sources of the information cited and footnoted. doyleb23 (talk) 03:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

A mess
Changes in the last several weeks have made this article a complete mess. I'm aware that many of the changes were sourced. All the same, the changes have made the article so unwieldy as to make it far less useful than it was back in April or May. Certainly there's a bit of good information in the additions, but the organization and subsection layout of the article is atrocious as it stands. Rollback would be better than this version, in my opinion, unless someone is willing to slog through the voluminous additions with scissors and tape. I'm not. Interwebs (talk) 03:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I concur, there's a whole bunch of Scientology stuff mixed in with parts of the article which make no sense. MR.264 (talk) 02:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

-Scientology Statements removed because of vandalism, reverted back to Friday july 16th version. Darmainc (talk) 15:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Widescale Deletion/Disruption of a historically correct, sourced Wiki article that many editors have approved.
It is not Wikipedia's best practices for an editor to delete an existing article (all or in part), which is accurate, well sourced, and the result of a collaborative effort by multiple editors over time. If you want to add factual, sourced information you may do so, but Tendentious repetitive attempts to insert or delete content or behavior that tends to frustrate proper editorial processes and discussions is prohibited, as is disruptive editing that totally disregards the content in an article that is already established and has been reviewed and approved by other editors. Editor Scoutstr295, please only add factual information to the Trinity Broadcasting Network article. Please respect the contribution of other editors and stop deleting major sections of this article. Ellen Brichetto 17:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellen Brichetto (talk • contribs)

Possible Further Controversy should be considered, maybe listed.
In recent years, TBN has started another controversial drive for money by encouraging its viewers to place in their wills that TBN as their sole beneficiary; there by granting them the rights to all possessions, property, and money held by the deceased. A number of incidents have arisen from this, with many comparing it to actions taken by the former PTL head Jim Bakker. It may be worth noting on the page this recent practice, with the possible association with the PTL practice, as well as potential ramifications of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.212.142.61 (talk) 15:52, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2014
Change: The Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) is an international Christian-based broadcast television network[1][2] as well as the world's largest religious television network.[3] To: The Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) is an international Christian-based broadcast television network[1][2] as well as the world's largest religious television network and third largest broadcast owner group in the United States.

Sources: http://www.tbn.org/announcements/tbn-moves-into-3rd-place-ranking-ahead-of-major-players http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/41240/top-station-groups-stay-the-course

Jim.schaefer12345 (talk) 16:42, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I disagree with this one, it makes the introductory sentence sound too complicated. Perhaps it could be added elsewhere? Stickee (talk) 06:29, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

UK
These bible thumping morons now have a channel on the UK's DTTV Freeview platform. Who funds this stuff? US style TV evangelism has practically no support in Britain and seems completely alien. --Ef80 (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposed update to Regularly scheduled shows & Personalities
The last update to the Regularly scheduled shows was in 2010. They have added several shows to the line-up and new personalities. As an example, James MacDonald from Walk In The Word is a regular show on the schedule airing every day. Is there any way to get these new shows updated? SpicerHBC (talk) 21:48, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

PTL show intros and outros
The current open and close of this flagship program Praise the Lord was used in 2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexclarkerfff (talk • contribs) 22:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2015
Please add the additional IPTV provider's carrier details in the infobox, thanks.


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 * iptv chan 4 = Channel 552

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New Logo
Hasn't there been a new logo since 2016? 173.161.252.130 (talk) 20:16, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2016
Add "Elevation Experience with Steven Furtick" to Regularly Scheduled Programming.

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An edit I should not make myself
In the section "Lawsuits", Carra Crouch's suit against TBN and Paul and Jan Crouch has been decided by a jury (links at end). There will be appeals, I am sure.

Due to my having a (very distant) connection with a member of the Crouch family, I do not feel I should be making any edits to the article myself, not should I be making any judgement calls about what should be included or not. I just wish to present a couple of newspaper sources about the outcome of the trial.

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"Granddaughter who alleged rape cover-up is awarded $2 million in Trinity Broadcasting Network lawsuit", Orange County Register, June 5, 2017, http://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/05/jury-awards-2-million-to-granddaughter-of-trinity-broadcast-network-founders-in-personal-injury-case/

"Jury Finds Televangelist Jan Crouch Shunned Granddaughter’s Report of Rape", New York Times, June 7, 2017, https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/us/trinity-broadcasting-verdict.html

-- ArglebargleIV (talk) 14:27, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2017
TBN HD is now available on Verizon FIOS Channel 795 (Source: https://www.verizon.com/info/channel-lineup/ ) Dtv757 (talk) 22:31, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:05, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Oct 7 2017 Debut of Huckabee with Trump
A section needed for.--Wikipietime (talk) 14:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2018
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Praise the lord listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Praise the lord. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. BrandNew Jim Zhang  (talk)  09:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Please move sentence about Sen. Grassley's investigation
In the Controversies section, the sentence about Sen. Grassley's investigation of several TBN televangelists, which is currently in a paragraph at the end of the Theology subsection, is not related to theology and should instead be moved to the Wealth and transparency subsection. The sentence could also be modified to note the year of the investigation, as well as the fact that another TBN televangelist, Kenneth Copeland (listed in the Theology section of the article), was named in it, too. I do not have enough edits under my belt to be allowed to do this myself on this semi-protected article. --Captain wafer (talk) 18:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Texas Connection
'''The article mentions early on that the legal name of the network is "Trinity Broadcasting of Texas, Inc.", but doesn't state why, or the connection to Texas. In fact, it doesn't mention the word "Texas" again. Could someone with the knowledge and references please add content to correct this oversight?''' Worldbook1967 (talk) 22:19, 3 May 2023 (UTC)