Talk:Trinity Southwest University

Third party sources
I tried to look for non-universe/promotional third party sources and it's rather difficult. I find mostly apologetic books and primary papers in related magazines. Various archaeology and theology related material too and press releases, but not mainstream. I also searched in various encyclopedias and books at my disposition without match (although I find things for Trinity College, Cambridge or Perkins School of Theology). I also find more about Andrew, Harry, Francis and Randal Collins than for Steven. If someone has sources to suggest (other than the few at the existing articles), they are welcome. It's possible that more will be found in relation to the Tall el-Hammam work and claims, but I will have to resume search for that another day. Thanks, — Paleo Neonate  – 02:40, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

A related parallel thread is at Talk:Sodom and Gomorrah. — Paleo Neonate  – 23:30, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Steven Collins
Steven Collins discovery of what he believes to be the city of Sodom seems to generate some cancel culture controversy. Of course it’s controversial. Any discovery of this nature would be. Take a look at the Nature Magazine article on the subject. They consult about 20 scientists. Something very significant happened here and the land was uninhabitable for the next 300 years due to a huge amount of salt deposits. In the Bible, Lots wife was told not to turn around and look at the destruction of Sodom, but she did, and she purportedly turned into a pillar of salt. This area was completely obliterated. You can agree with the Bible or not, nevertheless this is a huge find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.11.111 (talk) 16:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

error of attribution
"Collins and his colleagues ... In a 2021 paper, they argued..." However, Collins is not an author of that paper, so this needs to be corrected. Only the last (Silva) of the 21 authors claims TSU affiliation, so more work is required before the "Sodom" claim can be attributed to TSU. Zerotalk 06:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The 'they' refers to 'his colleagues'. Any suggestions on making the language clearer is welcome, but it's not a factual error. Aside from the senior author Silvia, Collins himself is also extensively cited in the paper, mentioned in the acknowledgements, and listed as a member of the Comet Research Group alongside all the other authors, so I don't think it's unreasonable to describe them as colleagues. Tall el-Hammam has only been excavated by the Tall el-Hammam Excavation Project—run by Collins under the auspices of TSU—since 2005, so by definition any research based on physical samples from the site must involve the Tall el-Hammam Excavation Project, and by extension TSU and Collins. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 08:55, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't get past "senior author Silvia". Being listed last makes him the most junior author. Your OR connecting Collins' colleagues to the paper's authors is not of interest. TSU/Collins' excavation of Tall el-Hammam already has its own paragraph. Zerotalk 09:15, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, that's a shame, because it doesn't. There is no original research. The authors of the paper are colleagues of Collins, presented evidence that supports Collins' previously-published theory. That is all the article says. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 09:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)