Talk:Triple Gold Club/Archive 2

qualification
what if a player won the stanley cup and the olyimpic as a player then as a coach wins the world championships does that make them a member? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.141.183 (talk) 17:01, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting question actually. I don't know if there's any official stance on that. Until there is, the only way we could know would be if someone completed a triple like that without getting recognition.Lejman (talk) 13:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I think, there is a category of players and category of coaches. Victories gained as player aren´t worth to be counted in the coaches category. The same dilemma as the player/coach could be the player after sex change surgery:-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.130.40 (talk) 17:50, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I was just brainstorming the issue of players from the early 1920s who won both the stanley cup and gold medal at the games. I think the club has alot of ambuigity anyway. Paticularlily the case of Hooley Smith (maybe others havent checked), would he not be the first member of this club (maybe someone else) as technically he won a gold medal in the olympics (which was considered the world championship at the time in 1924) and a stanley cup (1927)? Im not aware of any source about this recongnizing this(IIHF, or NHL) nor do i advocate including this in the article, but tehnicality speaking he does meet the requirements of this club. interesting the ambuigity i think. Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

In the main TGC page, Jiří Šlégr should be designated as active player. He is on the HC Litvínov roster and sometimes he scores.89.177.131.99 (talk) 20:48, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have changed the row to indicate he is active again. Alaney2k (talk) 22:27, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Possible future members
I'm wondering if we should include a list of possible future inductees; players who already have two and need one more. The list would obviously be limited to players currently active. It seems like it would be beneficial to include though there is the concern of original research if another source hasn't already done this. 216.208.235.30 (talk) 16:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Gpetit89 has done some impressive research, it seems, although unsourced. The question is: should this stay in the article, or should we keep it in the talk page, for future reference? HandsomeFella (talk) 14:31, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Upcoming member additions
With the Conference Finals set, we can now guarantee that regardless of which team wins the cup, one or two new members will join the club in June. Just to keep everyone informed, here's the list of potential new members from each of the remaining teams:

Cheers! – Nurmsook!  talk...  13:48, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there anyone on Team Sweden at the World Championships that could join the club this year? -- Scorpion 0422  18:03, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Missing Boston Bruins and Patrice Bergeron, the only player on the four Conference Final teams that did achieve Triple Gold in 2011. Jmg38 (talk) 02:09, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Nothing is missing. We remove the player from here once he joins the TGC and add him to the actual article. – Sabbatino (talk) 04:47, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Sabbatino - makes sense! Jmg38 (talk) 07:29, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Potential 2012 additions
If the above list is indeed accurate, then we could have some new additions this year.

I don't think Duncan Keith is playing for team Canada this year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.56.163.122 (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like no one will be added this year, but 2 people will be added to the above list of potential members based on the results of the World Championships. Those 2 will be Evgeni Malkin and Pavel Datsyuk if Russia wins, and Zdeno Chara and Tomas Kopecky if Slovakia wins (Miroslav Satan, already on the potential members list, would win his second World Championship).  Either way, the players would be lacking an Olympic Gold Medal. Dafoeberezin3494 (talk) 18:53, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As best I can tell, if the New Jersey Devils win the Stanley Cup, Ilya Kovalchuk and Anton Volchenkov would be missing an Olympic Gold Medal. Martin Brodeur would still be missing a World Championship but would win his 4th Cup.  If the Los Angeles Kings win, Mike Richards and Drew Doughty would be missing a World Championship.  I'm not sure if Simon Gagne played enough in the regular season to get his name on the Cup, but if he did or if he plays in the Finals (supposedly he's available), he would also be missing a World Championship. Dafoeberezin3494 (talk) 19:44, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Re: You did not mention Marek Zidlicky and Johan Hedberg of the Devils, but I think, they will have to wait until next year. And Simon Gagne appeared in the third match, so he should be introduced in the table above, if Kings will win the cup. And on the IIHF side is mentionned Willie Mitchell (ice hockey) of the Kíngs. The list seems to be infinite... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.113.158.116 (talk) 12:00, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sergei Fedorov recently retired (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2012-05-12/sergei-federov-retirement-detroit-red-wings-cska-moscow-washington-capitals), also Dominik Hašek(http://www.hokej.cz/cz/tipsport-extraliga/dominik-hasek-se-do-nhl-nevrati-legendarni-golman-definitivne-ukoncil-aktivni-karieru/) and Jaroslav Špaček (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=645987#&navid=nhl-search). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.128.124 (talk) 16:30, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Potential Members 2013
With the playoffs coming soon, here are the players who still have a chance at joining this year.

Of the four semi-final nations at the Worlds (Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, USA) only Sweden has won Olympic gold recently. And there are no potential members on Team Sweden. There are some potential potential members.
 * Sweden: Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin would need a Stanley Cup
 * Switzerland: Martin Gerber would need an Olympic Gold
 * USA: Ryan Carter would need an Olympic Gold
 * Finland: None

No potential members left in the Stanley Cup playoffs this year, but there are three potential potential members in Chicago Blackhawks.


 * No new members given the Stanley Cup Finals participants, but the chart will be updated regardless of the outcome. If the Bruins win, club members Patrice Bergeron (2nd) and Jaromir Jagr (3rd) gain another Stanley Cup.  If the Blackhawks win, Jonathan Toews gets his 2nd Stanley Cup. Dafoeberezin3494 (talk) 03:22, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for refreshing the list. Should be Jamal Mayers listed above? I think he didn´t play enough games in the season and he also didn´t appear in the playoffs. And I think, that Alexei Kovalev should return to the list, he signed somewhere in minor Swiss league. And it is possible, that some of the players inconspicuously retired, e.g. Rob Niedermeyer, Jeff Friesen... I don´t know, where to prove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.130.89 (talk) 20:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Mayers did only play 19 games during the regular season, but since the season was shortened, I'd assume the minimum requirement was as well. Kovalev could be returned to the list, although it is highly unlikely he'll make Russia's Olympic team (though you never know). I'd have no problem with Niedermayer and Friesen being removed since they have no chance of making Canada's Olympic Team. In fact, of all of the Canadian players in need of an Olympic gold medal, only two (Ward and Jordan Staal) have a chance of making the team (and in both cases they aren't favourites). -- Scorpion 0422  20:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think, that the list is full of players, who have minimal chance to enter the TGC, but they are still active and should be listed. For example these five, who need SC and play in Europe, some older players, who need OG and refused to play for their countries (Kubina) etc. I think that such players make most of the list, but it is interesting to see it complete, what if...? Kovalev needs WC gold, but I think he will not get it, because he hasn´t good relationships with Russian ice hockey federation and he is also old. Brodeur won´t get it too, when he didn´t play in WCh in Quebec, he won´t play in any other championship. On eliteprospects.com is stated, that R. Niedermayer and Friesen are retired, but these pages are unofficial and nobody knows, if someone of them (or any other "retirees") won't appear. Dominik Hašek came back for several times. And if NHL won´t let players go to Sochi, Canada will need experienced players to make a team... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.130.60 (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

2014: The Potential Members
With all three championships up for grabs this year, it's likely we'll see a new addition.

Olympics
The Olympic line-ups announced, here are the potential members. Nobody from Canada, which should be surprising, but isn't, considering that most of the guys who need an Olympic gold had almost no chance of making the team (only Cam Ward, and his odds weren't great).

There are, of course, a great many potential potential members. They might be added later. -- Scorpion 0422  03:02, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

So the gold medal game is set. There are no potential members because Johan Franzen was injured before the Games began. These are the potential potentials:

After the "rookies" were added to the potential members table I dared to remove Jeff Friesen, Jamal Mayers, Pavel Kubina, Milan Hejduk and Oleg Tverdovsky. They all recently retired, as it was announced on the internet. There are no actual information about Friesen, but I think he won´t play anymore, even at olympics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.130.40 (talk) 17:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Nope, not a problem at all. I didn't even realize that Hejduk had retired. -- Scorpion 0422  00:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Petr Sýkora announced retirement. I think, that in the "Potentials" table there will be only Canadians soon. Among the non-Canadians, only Evgeni Malkin is under 30!--89.177.131.155 (talk) 19:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Also Martin Straka recently announced retirement. The engine of Czech first line in Nagano olympics and Jágr´s linemate in Penguins.--89.177.128.198 (talk) 18:29, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

World Championships
As far as I can tell, there are no potential members in the Worlds this year. Its not surprising since players usually give this one a miss during Olympic years.

Stanley Cup

 * So the SC play offs are finished, I see some quick as a flash updatings in the main table, great. And I have carper comments to the table content: As I can say, Miroslav Šatan announced retirement after World Championship. I also noticed adding of Andrei Loktionov to the main table. Sure he won worlds gold in Minsk, but as it is to find on the web (e.g. here: ), in my opinion, he is not able to be enlisted here, he didn´t play enough matches in the season and he is probaly not written on the cup. And I have one suggestion, related to those four guys under the main table: it would be honest for them to be enlisted in the main table as same as the others. They all are great players, especially Patera and Ručínský. There´s no reason for keeping them out. They have zero chance to join the club? As same as the large majority of the table. Thanks for consideration of my thoughts. And one questin more - do you understand, that Justin Williams wasn´t even put in the Canadian pre-olympic roster? He wouldnn´t be worse than many of the Canadian team in Sochi.89.177.130.180 (talk) 09:13, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like the each year there are new tables created for potential players. I would agree with you on Loktionov he did not qualify and was not added by petition so I removed him from the list. As for the others if they sign with an NHL team they can be re-added to the list. I also removed Miroslav Šatan since he did retire. --Mo Rock...Monstrous  (leech44) 23:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comments. Regarding Satan, I usually update current teams and remove names shortly before the beginning of the next NHL season, so I was in no hurry to remove him. With Loktionov, I added him because he dressed for two playoff games during the Kings Stanley Cup run and the minimum to get your name on the cup is one. But, I did a search and according to this, he was left off the cup for whatever reason. The four guys below the table are there for a simple reason: They need a Cup and are not in the NHL. Great players? Sure. But since they aren't in the NHL (and are unlikely to return), I didn't think their inclusion was necessary. Thanks again for the help with the list. -- Scorpion 0422  16:05, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * For Loktionov I'm guessing the two games weren't in the finals which is whats required for automatic inclusion. I didn't look into it so I could be wrong.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 16:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Crosby
I guess the IIHF 2005 (Canada, Gold) for Sid Crosby doesn't count? User:anonymous 15:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It was World Junior Championships see you to page Sidney Crosby and 2005 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships. F.ponizil (talk) 20:40, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Stanley Cup
All Canadians and Swedes this year. Hopefully the drought of not getting new members ends this year. -- Scorpion 0422  18:19, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

You can remove Mattias Ohlund. He hasn't played since 2011; only reason he's still under contract is salary cap management. Crispy385 (talk) 05:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Let's wait for the rosters for Prague (IIHF World Championship)! May be no such a table will be needed:-) 89.177.131.218 (talk) 19:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Potential potentials. There aren't many this time around, but Toews' entry and a number in the main table would need an update if the Blackhawks win, and Morrow and Steve Yzerman (GM) would become members if the Lightning win. -- Scorpion 0422  16:37, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Worlds
As always, there are a bunch of potential potential members. These are them. There aren't any from Russia, but it is worth noting that Anton Khudobin was part of the Boston Bruins when they won the cup, he didn't get his name on it, and I think that's a requirement. -- Scorpion 0422  20:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

And what about Tyler Seguin? He won the cup with Bruins, didn´t he? 89.177.131.105 (talk) 17:33, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No Olympic gold there. HandsomeFella (talk) 18:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I removed Libor Procházka and Pavel Patera from the main table. Procházka retired secretly, Patera´s retirement was announced even at the iihf.com 89.177.131.24 (talk) 18:34, 30 June 2015 (UTC).

Worlds
The above three players are currently still eligible to win their way to the Triple Gold Club this season. – Nurmsook!  talk...  00:29, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

—Let´s update it! Some players from the main table have retired - most recently Tomáš Kaberle, then also Eric Brewer, Mike Commodore, Matt Cooke and Mika Hannula. Erasing Hannula from degrading exile under the main table will make all players equal - in my opinion all potential members should be listed in one table, regardless their real chances for membership89.176.223.82 (talk) 19:48, 23 September 2016 (UTC).

2017 potential members
Canada's recent double win in the olympics means they've got most potential members a non-Olympic year like this. The remaining non-Canadians were also eliminated from the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Players
Again. None of the players can make the triple gold club. The ones needing the cup are gone. The ones needing the WC are evidently not on the roster of Team Canada according to the wiki page. What's the point of this short list? LordAtlas (talk) 05:29, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * To keep track of players who could enter this club? If you look at the history, you will notice that this list was added at the end of the regular season. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:43, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And none of these players can join this year. LordAtlas (talk) 22:43, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * They could not, but that is not the reason to remove them. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:20, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It says "2017 potential members". They no longer have potential. No one saw a problem with removing the non-Canadian, nonplayoff players. LordAtlas (talk) 06:25, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? This and similar edits? Those players ARE retired so they most certainly can not qualify for the TGC. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:45, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "The remaining non-Canadians were also eliminated from the Stanley Cup playoffs." So where'd they go then? LordAtlas (talk) 06:50, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I will repeat again – what are you talking about? Specify the diffs or names of the players. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:10, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "Remaining non Canadians" referred to the Sedin twins, who were eliminated from winning NHL when Vancouver was eliminated, before the end of the regular season. After that I just crossed the names on the list out when players' teams were eliminated. I was waiting for a finalized Canadian roster, which explains why I didnt early on cross out the rest of the names.

Right now we should focus on figuring out which players from Sweden join the "potential members" list with their WC golds. Henrik Lundquist should be one... there are probably others out there. If no one else wants to do it Ill do that myself when I return home and have access to a computer again. -- Lejman (talk) 12:44, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The Sedin twins, Henrik Lundqvist, Marcus Krüger and Joakim Nordström are the only potential members from the 2017 Swedish team.
 * Thanks, added them now! -- Lejman (talk) 12:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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2018 Winter Olympics
Based on the rosters for the 2018 Olympics, I can only see one potential new Triple Gold Club member and three "potential potential" members:


 * Pavel Datsyuk - If 'Olympic Athletes from Russia' wins, he looks like the only one who can join the club this time around, having won Stanley Cups with the Detroit Red Wings (2002 and 2008) and the World Championships with Russia (2012)
 * Ilya Kovalchuk - If 'Olympic Athletes from Russia' wins, he would only be missing a Stanley Cup, having won the World Championships twice with Russia (2008 and 2009)
 * Slava Voynov - If 'Olympic Athletes from Russia' wins, he would only be missing a World Championship, having won Stanley Cups with the Los Angeles Kings (2012 and 2014)
 * Brian Gionta - If the United States win, he would only be missing a World Championship, having won a Stanley Cup with the New Jersey Devils (2003)

There are a lot of young players in this tournament, so this could be the first step for many who will eventually compete in the other tournaments. Dafoeberezin3494 (talk) 19:11, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, there is only one potential TGC member on the rosters, but you have found only three "potential potentials"? There are many many more, listed on rosters of Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Canada and even Slovakia! No need to make a list until the final game, I think. 78.45.138.34 (talk) 20:42, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

2018 Stanley Cup potential potential members
This year 3 or 4 members will get their second title of three needed for the Triple Gold Club:

Players
Marc-André_Fleury, already a potential member, can add another cup to his resumé. -- Lejman (talk) 10:01, 28 May 2018 (UTC)