Talk:Triplicane

Unsourced
This articles cites no sources, and is written in a rather flippant manner! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.63.75.210 (talk) 05:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I (snokia) have modified this article.. Now there are 60 plus (and still counting) references to this article. This enhances the so called verifiability of this article. These references majorly include articles from leading newspapers - from their websites - news from Indian Express, Times of India, The Hindu, NDTV, IBN Live, etc. Additionally references to original websites like that of hotels, MTC bus, Southern Railways and authentic websites like google maps, wiki maps have been added, so that even the God can't complain that this article is not verifiable, it lacks references and so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snokia (talk • contribs) 18:02, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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Triplicane is derived from the Tamil word 'Thiruvallikeni' ("Thiru" denoting the sacred/salutation, "Valli" or "Alli" meaning the Lilly flower, "Keni" meaning a pond - in other words, a place with a pond of lillies). Triplicane is famous for the centuries old temple, the Parthasarathy Kovil, whose main deity is Parathasarathy or Venkatakrishnan. Triplicane is also well-known for the various lodges and cheap accomdations it offers to bachelors.

It is located near the Marina beach in Chennai, Tamilnadu.

Vaijkm (talk) 08:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)Vaijkm

JAIN TEMPLE AND SHG TERAPANTHI BHAVAN
there is a big vegetable market and is popularly named as gangana mandapam market, jus opposite to the market is a beautiful lord adinath's jain temple and in the opposite lane in the next cross which is singachari street there is a SHG JAIN TERAPANTHI BHAVAN this is a marriage hall and a holy place were monks and nuns come and there is a seperate place for meditation in 3rd floor a big hall known as preksha meditation hall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.158.123 (talk) 10:12, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Most of the issues sorted out.
The various references and links to authentic websites and newspaper articles establish the existence of various objects/locations discussed in the latest version of the article(as on 20.3.12) namely mada streets, market, temple pond,parthasarathy temple, its culture, festivals, streets of triplicane, hotels, and so on. The links also say that marina beach, parthasarathy temple and mada streets are an integral part of triplicane. Since the are from authentic news articles like hindu news article, times of india, indian express, deccan chronicle;  wikipedia will eventually stop complaining  and cribbing that the content in this wikipedia article is unverifiable, biased and other stuff. Additionally, weasel words, and low profile words like ondikuduthanam, madras bashai and too many other low profile words written by the previous author were removed, thus improving this article. Many references to news articles (like times of india or hindu or indian express, deccan chronicle) establish the importance, truthness, relevance, verifiability, of this article and thus will lead to improving it to the quality standards of wikipedia content. Additionally, parthasarathy temple original website is added as reference so that wikipedia stops cribbing that the contents are unverifiable or biased. All the biased and useless, low profile content written by previous author(s) or editor(s) have been deleted leading to improvement of this article

Moreover, Wikipedia states that this article is of low importance. This view is completely wrong has this area triplicane is important from not only heritage point of view, because of the fact that one of the 108 holy shrines i.e parthasarathy temple is in this this area, but also the world's second longest beach is in triplicane.Triplicane is moreover, one of the important areas of the Chennai, Which is one of the major metros of india and also an interanational city. If two such important places in this planet are in this article/location/area triplicane, how come the article become unimportant?

All the unbiased content, so called weasel words, unverifiable content, have been removed from this article. Whatever has not been removed is almost verifiable, and the necessary references/images/external web links/ aerial map views have all been provided to support substantiate and justify the content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snokia (talk • contribs) 18:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Regarding deletion of mega malls in the "VICINITY"
It's clearly mentioned vicinity, and not inside. This means that these malls are very close to triplicane, and not inside triplicane.

Arguments in favour of the "undo deletion":-

1. "I" don't think there's any hard and fast rule that one should not include a mall or location just in the neighbouring area, very close to this area, that too almost in the boundary. May be ,there exists a rule, So I have mentioned "I" within quotes. I am not aware of such a rule, would like to be aware, if any.

2. All the malls except for Ampa Skywalk, are on the boundary of triplicane. Search for "triplicane, Chennai" on google maps to get the boundary of triplicane.

3. May be, Ampa Skywalk Mega Mall may be removed, considering the argument of the person who deleted the content.

4. Chennai Citi center, is perfectly at the boundary of Triplicane

5. Spencers and Express avenue are very close to the boundary of Triplicane.

6. The word "vicinity" takes care of the justification of the content.

I would request the person who deleted the content, to cite Wikipedia rules, so that I could be aware that the content could be deleted, and henceforth stick to those rules, in my future articles too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snokia (talk • contribs)

Edits by user Anbu121 on Triplicane Article
Summary: The edits by the user show that his motive is to merely remove content in the article.This may be out of vendetta, vengeance, or hatred towards the article and/or it's editors. This attitude to keep removing content from the article citing some or the other rule of wikipedia may sound intelligent on the first sight, but it's rather easy and is destructive in nature. Few of his edits in the article may be good, but that remaining are with a orientation to merely REMOVE content from this article.

To Anbu121: You seem to be removing a lot of stuff from the Triplicane article. Although, few of your edits can be justified, the remaining edits which form a majority seem to remove content simply with a motive to remove them. I understand that there are so many rules in wikipedia, but if you follow all of them, you simply can't write anything. To put it in other words, the extent,depth and complexity of the rules of Wikipedia is in such a way that writing or editing an article, particularly, an article on a neighbourhood like this one, is too difficult. Firstly, content available from newspapers is lesser and secondly, anything that goes into the article would seem trivial, since it's at the level of a small area, not a city or state or country. Well I can follow "Ignore rules" rule of wikipedia to undo some of your edits which removed a lot of content. As long as I don't do any business or commercial activity, I think it's ok to include the content, such as the table of bus routes. I saw several city or neighbourhood articles in wikipedia (both india and abroad cities) which had a table of bus routes. I really don't understand why you seem to deal with vengeance and vendetta when it comes to this article. Why don't you remove content in other articles where there are tables containing transport information such as bus routes and train routes. Please understand that it's very easy to remove content quoting some or the other rule of wikipedia, but it's difficult to add content, that too sourced content. Following every rule in Wikipedia, you can point out millions of mistakes and edit or remove content. On the whole, it would be better if you see the totality of the matter - just check if the content is not personal stuff or commercial, vulgar, erroneous, UN-sourced,etc - This would do. With the mere motive to remove content, anyone can quote some f*ing rule of wikipedia and remove it. I can remove hotels saying these are commercial, list of schools or colleges or temples saying these fall under the category "directory". Then perhaps, I can remove streets - saying wikipedia is not a travel guide. I could also remove train routes stating a similar reason. I would end up removing mansions, stating they are promoting a business or acting like a travel guide. I could remove ZamBazaar citing it's trivial. I would remove all content pertaining to Parthasarathy temple by moving it to the other articles.

Similary, one can remove roads, saying wikipedia is not a travel guide. List of banks, religious places, schools, hospitals, yoga centers, departmental stores can be removed under the rules directory/travel guide/commercial. Details on agraharams may be removed on the grounds of irrelevance. And eatouts, malls, can be removed as done by you. Bus stops, image on bus stops, how to get to other areas - may be removed on the grounds that wikipedia is not a travel guide or directory.

Then some of the famous personalities may be removed since they merely lived in this area, citing that they don't have or have negligible significance with the article or its subject.

History - Timeline may be removed saying wikipedia is not a textbook or directory, or reference guide, etc.

 Now go and look at the article - nothing would be left. So this shows lack of common sense or rather merely behaving like a machine that processes a set of commands following certain rules.

Or otherwise, this shows your attitude towards this article which is purely destructive in nature. Please don't justify by quoting some of your edits which were proper or constructive. But from this you cannot extrapolate things.

Like this, If I continue removing content, nothing would be left in this article except for the Heading or article title, which would be eventually removed stating that there's no content in the article! - what an irony.

I don't want to do tit for tat for everything you do.

On one hand, I wish to refrain from further edits to this article, perhaps other articles in wikipedia too - because of you. On the other hand, I might however, wish to continue editing, since constant criticism should not hamper my constructive work.

I have taken so much effort to collect sourced content in this article, collecting sourced content for an area or neighbourhood in a city is very difficult considering the triviality of the subject on a broader scale.

However it's very easy to remove stuff quoting some f*ing rule or the other on the wikipedia.

I wonder why you have so much obsession to remove stuff from this article. You may argue why I have obsession to add stuff to this article, anyway, I hope you would understand obsession that is constructive is far better than one that emanates out of vendetta, bias, negative attitude, dominating nature and a gut feeling that "I rule the wikipedia". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snokia (talk • contribs)

I don't have time to explain you each of my edits individually. I have done that in the edit summaries. If you want to include certain information again in the article, start a new section on this page. Lets discuss about it. Articles in Wikipedia are improved by discussion among various users, not by abusing other editors Anbu121  ( talk me ) 05:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Confused
Am I in Wiki? There are a few brilliant additions to this page (such as information from 4000 Divya prabandham). However, there are tons of personal opinions and descriptions about food. What bussiness does Kaju cutlet have here??? On the whole, this looks like a tourist guide in black and white. Please advise on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Challengethelimits (talk • contribs) 03:32, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Please understand that writing an article for a small area in the city is too difficult considering the amount of sourced content available online. Anything added to the article may go under the name trivial, true, an area in the city may be trivial on the scale of wikipedia, but coming the article's subject, it is important.

Kaju cutlet and other realted stuff may be removed:P... But, ...

However, important things for the article which may sound trivial to wikipedia on the whole may not be removed.

(Also In connection with the edits by user Anbu121)

See the following argument:-

One may do the following

1. Remove List of roads, malls, mutts, hotels, schools, temples, stores, banks,etc. (saying wiki is not a directory, commercial, travel guide)

2. Move content related to parthasarathy temple

3. Remove utsavams,agraharams, carnatic music, section on mansions (saying commercial, irrelevant,etc)

4. Remove timeline in history ( - saying wikipedia is not a textbook or wikipedia is not a directory)

5. Remove Public Transport - list of trains, buses saying wiki is not a directory or travel guide. Remove associated images too.

Now go back to the article after performing the above edits (imagine that you have performed the above edits) You will be shocked to see that nothing is left in the article

Now, I can make you understand that an article on a neighbourhood area in chennai in a country like India, can't be written without such information. Rather you make delete the article itself - this ironically hinders development of the wikiproject chennai, of which user Anbu121 is a member.

I have searched the entire internet,newspapers, magazines - nothing more is available for this article other than theses

What other sourced content can you get about an area in the city?

VERY IMPORTANT CONCLUSION/POINT TO BE CONSIDERED: Please frame exact rules on how to write neighbourhood articles of chennai (or any area in any city in India) without writing about of roads, schools or hotels or streets or temples, or religious places,etc

'''You are asking to write an article about parts of the human body with the rule/condition that you should not write anything/mentioning about eyes,nose,ear,skin,legs,hands, heart,lungs,face,etc. - WHAT AN IRONY!!!!!!'''

'''And user Challengethelimits - Please look at the percentage of trivial information like food, etc. And look at the percentage of significant contribution. True, an optimist sees a glass half full, while a pessimist sees it half empty. '''-

1. About divya prabhandham as you said (only positive thing which you perhaps found)

2. Agraharams - a heritage structuree (see reference I have cited)

3. About uniqueness of Triplicane's cultural heritage (adds heritage, historical and cultural values)

4. Timeline (huge amount of important and valuable information - I have taken so much effort to consolidate,filter and put it here)

5. About Pycrofts road - knowledge street (refer : The Hindu), Zam Bazaar ( an age old bazaar, see references), Beach road (important from transport, tourism, history points of view)

6. Historic buildings like libraries, Bharathiar illam (with references)

7. Problems in the area with references.

8. Famous personalities, carnatic music (with references). Signifies historic and cultural significance of the area

9. The article holds a central position in the cultural aspect of Chennai ( I think some of the users are members of wikiproject:chennai.)

10. Mansions - see outlook reference.

11. Festivals in triplicane, culture, historical aspects of the area - signify the culture that has stood the test of time. These surviving culture traditions give a valuable link to the past and serve helpful to researchers and historians.

12. Transport (Helps in Wikiproject:chennai and Transportation in Chennai, Sub-urban trains in Chennai projects/articles).

13. Cultural aspects of mada streets

14. History of trams running through triplicane high road.

15. Several unique aspects of Parthasarathy temple, not found anywhere else.

16. About Kairavini Pushkarini, Kairavini Neerodai - historical and geographicla details with references

And many more...

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Snokia (talk • contribs) 07:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Challengethelimits on the nature of the article. There is a great abundance of information, and is highly detailed. But the tonality and the context fit more closely with a travel guide. Perhaps this is better for Wikitravel? I ask that you should check other Wikipedia articles that have been written about neighbourhoods or locales, to get a clear idea about distinctions between a Wikipedia encyclopaedia entry and a travel guide. H-Man (talk) 20:31, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Table of Bus routes
I have removed the table of bus routes in the article due to the following reasons:

1) Bus route infomration is not constant over time. It keeps changing every now and then. I feel, an encyclopedic article should contain information which is stable over time.

2)The article still has list of bus numbers under the section 'Public Transport' in the subsections 'Nearby areas and How to get there' and 'Other Areas and How to Get there'. Hence, essentially, it is duplication of information. I am OK with including the table and removing these two sections.

Discussions welcome. Anbu121 ( talk me ) 05:12, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Do we really need to retain the table? I feel mentions about frequency of buses will do. Challengethelimits (talk) 15:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed the table. Fine? --Challengethelimits (talk) 13:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Massive cleanup
Currently, this article is awry, or at least requires heavy editing. The article now has a few important and lots of unwanted (or at least I feel so) information. I believe the info on transportation need to be seriously tweaked. Anybody on this? Let me add a checklist for things to be done on this article. 1.	Restructure headings 2.	Remove unwanted or unrelated info 3.	Remove sources from blogs and forums 4.	Copyedit for grammar and spellings 5.	Remove trivial information like yoga centers (yoga centers are present in almost all areas)

Anybody can add to this list the things to be done. Thanks in advance. Please revert if you feel my POV is wrong.Challengethelimits (talk) 05:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I uphold your points and I find this entry to be more like a travel guide. I mean, it's great for me to use it I guess, because I never been anywhere CLOSE to Chennai. So if I ever were to stop there, there's a plethora of information that can be used. But that's not the point I'm making. I agree that the article needs major restructuring - I think much of it could be used instead in WikiTravel. I think once we have substantially fixed the Chennai MRTS, Chennai Metro and related articles, we can fix this one up. H-Man (talk) 20:34, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Have cleaned up most of the sections (save for sections on Vaikunta Ekadesi, Famous Personalities, and Legacy, for which I've added comments to intimate the editors), removing the unwanted references and unsourced information. Still need to be done a lot. Rasnaboy (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

History
Hi editors, I have attempted wikifying the history section without wasting any info. Please review. --Challengethelimits (talk) 15:06, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Excellent work Challengethelimits. That's really a good start. Have wikified (somewhat) the rest of the sections (except a couple of sections at the end). Please review if possible. Thank you. Rasnaboy (talk) 15:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Edits
Firstly, Authentic references have been removed. Please don't remove newspaper and book references. If they are not used in the article inline, at least have them in the references section, so that future expansions or edits can be carried out with recourse to these sources. Please restore the authentic references, if not the information Secondly, a lot of useful and sourced information has been removed and the size of the article has plummeted. Thirdly, Additional sources for mansion: http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article3800315.ece Other sources for other topics: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-08-23/chennai/33340988_1_radio-event-marina-beach-t-nagar http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/stick-tradition-cry-parthasarathy-temple-devotees-978 Snokia (talk) 06:48, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

table on bus routes
The information contained in the table is partial. Either put the entire table/list or remove this table fully. Having partial information is misleading. In the previous versions of the article, I had put up a detailed table of bus routes, which may be referred to.

Snokia (talk) 06:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Section on housing
The previous version of the article (check my last edit on this article) contained a lot of precious sourced information on small lanes, agraharams, streets, flat culture, and many more. These may be restored or moved from some other parts of the current article to here (like agraharams). I don't understand why one should delete sourced information and later put an expand tag! It sounds ironical — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snokia (talk • contribs) 06:56, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Snokia. Please allow me to thank you for all the good work on this article. It's chiefly your additions that made (or making) the article grow.


 * Adding more and more info will help increase the content of the article. However, it should also be balanced with the quality of the article, based on which the article is rated. Everything is information, but to whom it is intended counts very much. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia articles are intended to readers worldwide, especially laypersons. This translates into giving information in a very generic tone, i.e., without much of local languages (like "Vaikunta Ekadesi vrata observed on Dhanur Masa Shukla Paksha Ekadasi or on the 11th day of bright fortnight during Dhanur Masam") which would cater only to a niche audience. No matter how better it's been translated, the text (and eventually the article) will be considered trivial by the readers, especially the non-locals. The article, incidentally, had grown as a travel guide, which Wiki articles are not supposed to be (there are plenty of other rules and regulations in Wiki: What Wikipedia is not; Identifying reliable sources; No original research; Five pillars of Wikipedia; etc.). It should be remembered that many of the info that are the very essence of a travel guide are considered trivial in an encyclopedic domain.


 * Take, for example, the line "You get unlimited amount of sambar for your idlis and everyone typically has more sambar than the usual amount when he or she eats idlis here" in the 'Hotels and Eat-Outs' section. Although it's a fact (which is very much there in the source), this is absolutely trivial in encyclopedic parlance. Newspapers (or any kind of source, for that matter) contain several types/categories of information, such as editorials, opinions, op-eds, news, reviews, letters to the editor, and so forth. Only some of these can be considered authentic Wiki source, although the newspaper as a whole is indeed authentic (opinions and letters cannot be used as sources, although they are published in the same newspaper). Even the news content has various tones, such as sarcasm, metaphors, exaggerations, trivia, tongue-in-cheek texts, in addition to real facts. These facts need to be figured out from the rest before it can be used in a Wiki article. In addition, the sources we're talking about are third-party sources (i.e., a newspaper/book or any published material) and should not be their own. Since what were used for Adyar Anandha Bhavan and Sri Krishna Sweets are primary sources (i.e., their own websites), they are disqualified as sources. Coming to malls in the vicinity, none of the malls (Spencer, Express Avenue, Citi centre, Ampa Skywalk) are in Triplicane proper. Being in the heart of the city, Triplicane is (and ought to have been) well-connected with the rest of the regions in the city. That does not necessitate every mall in the peripheral that is accessible to Triplicane be included in the article. The Public Transport section looked more like a travel guide running to more than half the article content. Although every street has been explained in detail, the info needs to be "Wikified".


 * Although you're new to Wikipedia, you're contributions are awesome. I appreciate the kind of effort you'd put in to write the contents. I learnt editing Wikipedia the hard way, after making so many mistakes (including copyright violations) without properly understanding the Wiki guidelines. To my understanding, one of the best ways to learn Wiki editing is by going though similar articles of Good/Featured quality. Just go through the famous neighbourhood articles of prime international cities (take, for example, South Side, Chicago, which is a featured article) to see how they've been written. This will give us an idea how to go about the content. Let's keep South Side, Chicago article as (one of) our model article(s). You can always check with any of the experienced fellow editors through the talk pages (both the article's and the user's) in case of doubts.


 * Please rest assure that every source that you've added (including the ones you've added in the talk page) are utilized to their best. I personally am making sure that none of the info gets wasted/go unnoticed while I edit articles. Also, if you're not sure where to insert a source that you consider important, please insert it in the talk page and discuss about it, rather than inserting in the live article (which might sometimes go unnoticed while editing/reverting info). Thank you once again for your tireless contributions. Rasnaboy (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Changing name of article
The official name is "Thiruvallikeni", so we should move it to Thiruvallikeni instead. "Triplicane" was the British Name, and right now is informal. To maintain formality, we should change the article name TheCoolAadith (talk) 02:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Madrsa-I- Azam School Estd 1761
Oldest School of Chennai was G Madras-I-Azam School, Established in 1761, located in Mount road next to Spencer Plaza, it as an ancient monument, Better refer in Govt Gazette, by the name of Madras-I-Azam,name Madras initiated by the Britishers, the first Principal of the School was Janab Bahraul uloom Abdul Ali Rahmatullah Alai, His Tomb Dargah in Walajah Masjid Triplicane, Chennai-5, Founder of School Nawab Ghouse Khan Bahadur Azam Sahib, 2A00:F29:248:AAAE:6C00:90BF:8FEC:8394 (talk) 03:15, 19 July 2024 (UTC)