Talk:Trish Stratus/Archive 1

Discussion
The text I rolled back was from this source, and is a copyright violation. Gentgeen 00:11, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Trish's birth year
Lately, i've been noticing a potential edit war on this article in regards to the year Trish is born.

Although a Google search says she's born in 1975, other sources on the Internet say 1976. I cannot be clear on which one is actually true, so I'm putting an accuracy dispute on this article. --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 22:48, May 29, 2005 (UTC)


 * In her interview with the magazine "American Curves" her DOB was given as 12-18-1975, so I think it's safe to assume that this is correct.

The picture in question. Slightly risque. McPhail 11:36, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Request for new infobox image
The picture shown in the infobox is a posed picture of her. I was thinking maybe a picture of a signature wrestling look.--XenoN e on (converse) 20:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

It still captures her wrestling look pretty well. A tanktop that highlights her arms and breasts and a pair of pants is what she wears every Raw.

StratusFear / Stratusphere
The former is the official spelling, wrong as it may seem. Search for the two words on Stratus's website using Google. There are 4 results for "Stratusphere", used in a metaphorical sense, and 19 for "StratusFear", all refering to the move. McPhail 00:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

It is correctly spelled "Stratusphere"

No it is correctly spelt as StratusFear! According to her official site! --Fr3nZi3 19:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

It is correctly spelled "Stratusphere" because on wwe.com there was a thing on Trish Stratus and she stated that the correct spelling was "Stratusphere".


 * Please cite a source for this. McPhail 15:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It is listed in official WWE video games as Stratusphere. http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/wwe_svr_2006_trish_stratus.txt Planetstasiak 11:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you people dumb? STRATUSPHERE! Got it? 75.7.250.218 05:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Trish and education
During the time Trish would have been in high school in Ontario she would have went through grade 13. If she was born in December 1975 she would have been 18 when she entered university in September of 1992. She would have graduated in 1996, one year prior to the strike. Obviously her grades were not so great if she could not have even graduated in four years.
 * Well, as someone who was born in December 1985 and went to school in the GTA, I'll try and relate myself to Trish, just 10 years apart. I started grade 1 in September 1991 and finished grade 12 (OAC was dropped) in June 2003. I wasn't pushed back a year either, due to being born in December. I was with all the 1985ers. Trish had OAC, so she had an extra year than I did, which ends her in June 1994. University in September 1994, and she might have still been around for the strike. Of course, I have no idea what Trish did. Just piping in with my two cents on it. tv316 00:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * How do you assume that she had bad grades when she was obviously preparing to write her MCATS? Who spends that much money to write their MCATS if they had such bad grades? And to be honest, I'm a Toronto student, most likely going to finish my undergraduate in five years, not four so I think it's kind of disrespectful to be so ignorant about your assumptions because my situation is similar to Trish's, but I am far from falling into this category of having bad grades which will force me into a fifth year. Just some facts, MOST university students finish their undergraduate education in five years, not four...why? Because of the course load that they take during the year. It would require a student to take a full course load every single year for four years straight so that they can graduate in four years. Most students don't prefer to risk their grades by piling on the courses just so they can get out in four years. Most students pace their course load during the year and most likely, many opt to take a fifth year of studies rather than take summer courses. So you what you think means that she obviously had bad grades, I'd just like to point out that there isn't anything obvious about it at all...in fact, that's just your misinformed thoughts on how the system works. There are many other possibilities to do this situation, like her not starting university right away, not taking full course loads or summer coarses, taking a year off in between, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.108.119 (talk • contribs)

I think you are personally offended by what I said and you are not being rational because you are offended and you feel as if you are being attacked. I know students who get into med school in there third year if they have straight A's and do well on the MCAT. If Trish was getting so great she certainly would have straight A's and would have been in med school by third year instead of taking an extra year off. Now I'm not saying she would never have got into med-school but she is no where near were these fans of Trish are trying to make her seem. If she was half as intelligent as they hyped her up to be she wouldn't need 5 years to finish a four year program that can be done in three by the intelligent people. She doesn't even have a degree, because she didn't finish school, she is a college drop out, and I call it how I see it. It is not obvious she was preparing to write her MCAT because she had to take an extra year in university. She never wrote an MCAT she only prepared. A student who is failing can prepare for test it doesn't matter your grade you will prepare for a test if you want to take it. I disagree that most students finish their degree in 5 years. I'd say 4 and 1/2 is more accurate. There is no eveidence that suggest she took anytime off from university. There is evidence that she could not complete a four year degree and she has no diploma.


 * I think there are some variables here that make it impossible to tell the full story. 1) How long did the strike last?  Nobody seems to know  2) From what I understand, during the strike, Trish took a job as a fitness model or doing something with fitness.  Then, the strike ended and Trish tried to continue with med school AND continue with her fitness career.  Nobody knows how long she tried doing that, nor do we know what her grades were before the strike and after the strike when she tried balancing a full time job and med school. 3) Once Trish is done wrestling, who's to say she can't go back to med school?  Maybe the university she went to would allow her to pick up where she left off?  Also, going back to point 2, I would like to mention that from what I've read elsewhere, Trish felt she couldn't balance that full time job AND still go to med school so she chose the former over the later.  You could correctly argue she "dropped out" but that doesn't necessarily mean she wasn't bright or getting good grades in her medical classes.

'''I'm not personally offended by what you said, I'm simply using my own experience to show that there are other possibilities to the situation...possibilities you failed to acknowledge but rather chose to jump to conclusions based on vague facts. Look back at my response, do I argue that she was definitely smart? do I argue that she didn't drop out? No, I don't. I simply offered other possibilities to your one sided and very narrow view on the situation. I no where said that you are certainly wrong, I simply showed you that you could possibly be wrong. There's a difference. Neither of us know enough facts to prove or disprove anything. Yes, it is true that you can get into Med School by third year, providing that you have at least 15 credits and even then, you do not graduate with an undergraduate diploma so therefore, if by chance you don't do well in Med School and drop out, there is no University diploma to have, you'll have to return and take the remaining courses to make up 20 credits. While a lot of students take their MCATS in their third year, MOST students actually finish their Undergraduate before going to Med School. You must be speaking by your assumptions...I'm speaking from a statistical standpoint in regards to larger city universities in Canada. To disprove your theory, there are MANY people who do not finish their education yet are smart and go on to take part in careers that are very intellectually driven. The point is, is that I am not trying to take vague details and make them seem factual, whereas you are. To say that perhaps she isn't as bright as people assume she is, that is constructive and within the boundaries of what you know; to say that she obviously didn't get good grades and that she certainly isn't half as smart as people think she is, THAT is overstepping the boundaries of the facts that are known to us. If you're calling things like you see it, then perhaps you should look a little closer because you don't have the whole story, so what you see obviously isn't as clear as you think it is.'''

What a stupid argument. First of all Trish has a double major in biology and kinesiology. It has been reported in many magazines including MuscleMag. Second of all she was headed to med school.If not for the strike at York she would have become a doctor as she had straight A's and she confirmed this. Third, get off your damn high horse and stop sprewing garbage just because you have a hate on for the woman. She is more of a person than you will ever be. I wonder who the smart one is now?


 * Okay, someone changed her previous prospective occupation from doctor to nurse. I don't have a clue whether this is correct or not.

'''She wasn't studying to be a nurse. Her goal was medical school before the strike occured. And you're right I've recently read the very interview/article where Trish confirmed that she was an A student, therefore this person has who claims she's obviously not as smart as people think she is, hasn't done their research properly.'''

Trish's participation in 'Mania
I don't know how many other wrestlers can say this, but Trish has been a part of every Wrestlemania held since her debut with WWE, including WrestleMania 2000, which was held in the same month of her debut. Do you guys think this is worthy for the article??? YES --68.214.15.66 16:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes

New Picture
Everytime I post a picture here someone deletes it and says it's too old. Well I've found the most recent ones of Trish wearing her "Let's do it" T-shirt. She has been wearing it for the last few weeks, therefore it is the most current. I am going to upload it soon so please tell me if you object and why Murph murph 00:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

ok someone esle put it on i think its way better, and more recent Murph murph 01:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That having been said, we should stop changing the picture so darn much. She hasn't changed all that much in appearance over the past few years - and no, wearing a new t-shirt doesn't count as a significant change in appearance. Choose a picture and stick with it. --Jtalledo (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I second that. Until someone gets a GFDL/Creative commons image for these people, I'd like to see a stable fair use image. --LBMixPro&lt;Sp e ak 21:48, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Trish cleared to wrestle
What is happening with Trish Startus and has she been cleared to wrestle--we havent heard anything about her! Whats going on! She needs to reclaim her belt so Melina can take it off her!

She is going to have a scripted partnership with carlito probably another dating one

(Fr3nZi3 23:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

Criticism section
I removed the criticism section. It was uncited and weasel worded. --Jtalledo (talk) 00:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Retiring and Girlfriend
I keep hearing that Trish is gonna retire because she is getting married to her long time girlfriend but it doesnt mention her having a boyfriend in the article so is this true?


 * I've heard that her contract expires in August but she's trying to renew it. I also heard that she's just gonna take some time off for her marriage in September. I had it up there but someone, for no reason, took it down. I'm not sure if it's true, but I had it up there just in case.

Exactly, I mean if I were getting married right after my contract was up, I wouldn't immediately sign another contract, I'd take a few months off before I re-signed. This talented/lovely gal has been on the road for the better part of 6 years.

Trish is not getting married this was a rumor and she does not have a girlfriend. She did but they broke up 2 monthes ago that is why nothing is up about it.

It seems nobody knows the facts, tell me how you know she does not have a gf? Where did you learn this?
 * This is why we have a verifibilty policy and Sources policy. Most of these PW related articles (especially the ones for the divas) are so difficult to believe. If it's an important factor in Patricia Stratigias' life, please cite it! --LBMixPro&lt;Sp e ak 20:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

It has been all but confirmed Trish will be leaving the WWE for at least a short period of time. And Camp Stratus is sending out plenty of signals that it's time to move on. But Until this is confirmed it shouldn't be added.

I did get a quote from Trish that her marriage date is September 30, 2006. The proof is also found at http://www.wrestlezone.com

She is marrying and leaving the wrestling business, 100% confirmed
Dave Meltzer, the most reliable reporter in the wrestling industry stated in his newsletter that Trish will be getting married and has no plans to renew her WWE contract. In fact, it's been such common knowledge that Trish has no interest in extending her contract that no negotiations have even taken place for months. Her last appearance will be at WWE Unforgiven in her hometown of Toronto.--CJ 04:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Bold textTHE PART where you say that Trish Stratus Has No interest in comming back or extending her Contract- IS ALL WRORNG! Go to: trishstratus.com      -there, at her Official Website, SHE STATES THIS:  “My career has been buoyed by the support of the fans…so whenever the fans feel like they need some more Stratusfaction, all they have to do is let me know. It’s just like the Bat signal…let me know, and I’ll be there.” In sports and entertainment in general, the word “retirement” is very rarely ever final. Players return from injury or hiatus, Hall of Famers come back for “one more match” and actors will always find that one last role. So with that said, Trish made it clear that while she is retiring right now, that doesn’t necessarily mean WWE has seen the last of the six-time Women’s Champion. <<<<<<<<< Insert non-formatted text here --207.69.137.27 01:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)YOUR FUTURE DIVA--207.69.137.27 01:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism of signature moves
OK I am getting sick and tired of having to revert the vandalism fo you so called Trish wannabe fans! Firstly every Trish fan knows that the StratusFear is spelt like so and not Stratusphere! But some bufoon continues to delete it! Also! How many times am I goign to have to say that Trish has used many other bulldog types to defeat her opponents. Stratusfaction variants if you will-- each time I add Stratusfaction variants someone will fast go and remove it, even so when I add the names of the specific moves that she has used, someone will still delete it. Let us walk down memory lane--At Survivor Series 2005, Trish beat Melina with a flying top rope Startusfaction to retain her title, and also against Molly Holly, Trish defeated Molly using a wheelbarrow bulldog to win her third Women's Title, she also has used it against Mickie James recently on an edition of RAW. So those are finishing moves of hers! Leave it! Again--Trish using knife edge chops so regularly that it should not be debated whether or not the moves are signature or not. the mere fact that she licks her hand before her third chop, should be notable to add! Also according to Trish's official site her handstand swinging headscissors is called a MaTrish Reloaded Headscissors! Check it before you delete it. I hope this message will keep wikipedia pests at bay!!!! --Fr3nZi3 02:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you have any SOURCES? If not, then your opinion is no more valid than anyone else's. TJ Spyke 23:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I found them. TJ Spyke 23:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Exactly! Thank you very much! If I see it vandalised again, I will personally do everything within my power to make sure the person is blocked for vandalism! I'm getting sick and tired of all the pests ont his page!--Fr3nZi3 15:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry Fr3nZi3. Looks to me like some chumpstain decided to delete the entire information about the knife edge chops… again. I came here looking for it for confirmation, and it wasn't there. 172.163.14.153 22:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Ive put it back but this is getting tedious! I am sick of battling with vandals! --Fr3nZi3 00:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

This isn't vandalism, it's a content dispute. --> So sayeth  M  e  t  h  n  o  r Sayeth back|Other sayethings
 * Well, can you stop with this content dispute!? Those knife edge chops are a very important part of Trish's wrestling signature moveset, making it - as well as her differentiating it from everyone else's by licking her hand before the third one - a very important deal. Despite the claims from the pieces of greatnesss known as Methnor and McPhail (who seem to be enforcing the art of putting limits on how much good information can go on a Wikipedia article) that state that chops and dropkicks are "too generic" for the Wikipedia, the fact is, not everybody uses them, and just like "less generic" moves, they are detailed in the Wikipedia. The people that do use them most importantly and/or have some kind of edit to them when they use it (both of which apply to Trish, by the way) should have it on their page. The same goes for the two clotheslines into a dropkick thing. Now allow me to explain how taking that away from the article is not very encyclopedic.
 * The backhand/knife edge chop is one of the moves by which Ric Flair makes himself famous and goes about his business. So is this the case for people like Chris Benoit. You take that out of their arsenal, their matches are half empty. Common sense dictates, you leave it in the article! So even though it's not 100% the same for Trish, it is the same for Trish, so leave the chop in Trish's moveset, please!
 * The Rock's "Laying the Smackdown" tradition contains of three punches, three right hands, the most generic move in professional wrestling, but after those punches, he does a hand spitting motion, then levels the opponent with a fourth punch. As generic as that is, that is one of the most important parts of his moveset, because this is how he begins generating his offense. The Rock, Rene Dupree, and John Cena all take an ordinary elbow drop, a pointed elbow drop, and an ordinary fist drop respectively and make these huge theatrics that turn them into big moves. Take all that stuff off their list, that's a great majority of their victories, incomplete or gone in the wind. Based on this, Trish's hand-licking motion before the third chop makes it that much more notable than if ordinarily done. That deserves mention in this article.
 * Now for the two clotheslines followed by a dropkick. Again, you guys claim genericness in constantly deleting Fr3nZi3's very constructive edit. You know what's a more generic combo than that involving clotheslines? John Cena's combo. It's just repeating clotheslines. But everybody knows he does this, so take that out of his arsenal, and that right there is his momentum surge, basically gone. A lot of wrestlers do repeating clotheslines, but even then it's notable for some people, such as Cena. So two clotheslines into a dropkick being put in Trish Stratus's article isn't a crime like you guys seem to make it as. She does this, people notice it, so put it on there.
 * Enough with the editing moves out of movesets based on "genericness". It's absolutely annoying, and it serves no purpose other than to get people's faces red and to make yourselves look wikipedically smart. When Fr3nZi3 puts that on there and justifies it here, that tells me it's there for good reason, and I expect to see it kept on there, just like Ric Flair and Chris Benoit's knife edge chops, the Five Knuckle Shuffle, the Laying the Smackdown combination, and the People's Elbow.
 * I came on the Trish page looking to see that on there for clarification because I'm writing a match with Trish in there in a fanfiction story. I knew she did that, but the exact pattern was a little hazy to me. So right there, that's reason to keep that in the article. When people use these moves often, and these moves are made notable, do not take them out of the person's set. It helps cause confusion. Like going to a Dragon Ball Z character's list, such as Goku, and removing the Kamehameha wave or the ability to fly (Bukuu Jutsu) from their list of attacks and powers just because there's lots of other characters from DBZ that do that. You claim removing moves like that is wikipedic, but it actually defeats the purpose. McPhail and Methnor, it's time to admit that you're wrong and that you have no reason to be taking out precious material like you own the page or like you have it in Trish's contract or something that you've ordered her not to do this stuff. If you don't want it on her moveset, just tell her not to do it as much, or not to do it at Unforgiven in her final title match against Lita or something. Until then, please don't even bother removing it when Fr3nZi3 puts it back. 172.132.108.185 20:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I only removed the lick combo/clotheslines + dropkick once, and it was mainly because Frenz moved up/removed/restored information which messed up the whole section. Now, the People's Elbow is different from the lick combo because it's used as a finisher. The 5KS is used before the FU every single time. Every single time. I freely admit I haven't seen many of Trish's matches but I'm sure she hasn't used it in all of them. Flair and Benoit are recognized for their chops. Trish is not recognized because of her lick combo. About Rock's Laying the SD! combo, I freely admit again that I haven't been watching wrestling too long and haven't seen many of Rock's matches before he went to acting so I can't comment on that. I don't feel I own this page or any other, despite what you may think. I make edits I think are fitting, and while you or Frenz may not, you both (Well, at least Frenz) need to stop screaming vandalism, since you don't seem to know what constitutes it. --> So sayeth  M  e  t  h  n  o  r Sayeth back|Other sayethings
 * A few things there, Methnor.
 * 1, just because you think your edits are fitting and ours are not, that doesn't mean we don't think our edits are fitting. Please don't say anything that may remotely insinuate that, thank you very much.
 * 2, I'm not screaming vandalism. I never said I was.
 * 3, you still haven't answered anything about John Cena's repeating clotheslines.

His clotheslines are just like the 5 Knuckle Shuffle, they're part of a routine that everybody knows he does and will invariably do in his matches. Also, I never said that I believe you don't think your edits are fitting. --> So sayeth  M  e  t  h  n  o  r Sayeth back|Other sayethings

A very well argued point by 172.132.108.185. I have become sick and tired of the attitude I have been getting from you veteran wikipedia editors who are obviously here to just puntificate and push your weight around even when you are so clearly wrong. From my understanding, you do not have to use a signature move every single match for it to be considered one, so your argument of Trish not using the kinfe edge chops of two clotheslines into a dropkick every single match is a ludacris one! Again, from my understanding, the deleting of a constructive edit, constantly is vandalism--which has what has been happening on this page by the likes of McPhail and Menthor. From ym time here, I have realized there there are a group of stuck up editors who have a delusion of grandeur and obviously think that someone died and left them wikipedia. NEWSFLASH! Nobody did! The whole point of this site is that it is a public editing site which means the useful edits of everyone should come together to try and make perfect articles. This site is not anyone's personal property to monopolize! I and many others have explained time and time again that the knife edge chops that Trish used were so notable that it could not be left out of her signature moves, what messages did I get back? --"the moves are too generic". But that all changes when on Chris Benoit's page--What is the difference? Most of all it is the hypocrisy on here that is really driving me up the wall --one thing applies for one wrestlers page, and totally different rules for another page. I am sorry to say but people like McPhail and Menthor are really becoming major problems on these pages, not because they are vandals who intentionally ruin pages, but because they monopolize these pages and dont want anything to be added to them, and when anybody does, they attack them with messages and tell them their edits are nonsensical. I am sorry to say but it seems to me and many others on here that certain people are here to try and dominate and throw their weight around needlessly. I am going ahead to add what I and many others feel should be righfully up here. I am sure that the self appointed wikipedia owners will go ahead and delete it anyway --Fr3nZi3 15:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Like I already said, I only deleted her combos once, and that was because the rest of the edit you made was completely, for a lack of a better phrase 15 minutes after I woke up, messed up, so I just reverted it. I didn't touch it any more after that, any other edits I've made to that page since have been moving Chick Kick above Stratusfaction and small spelling/grammar fixes, and I never said that generic moves shouldn't be on pages - to tell you the truth, I couldn't care either way, so you can stop including me in your little rants.
 * Also, vandalism is replacing all/parts of the page with "PENNIS LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL DICK PENIS". This is a content dispute, as much as you'd love it to be vandalism.
 * Also also, I love how anyone who disagrees with you is suddenly a "becoming a major problem". Huh...--> So sayeth  M  e  t  h  n  o  r Sayeth back|Other sayethings

You know what Menthor, you think you own this page, and you really don't! You know I am right, but you choose to argue for the sake of arguing. The constant battling with deleting moves is very immature and time consuming! --Fr3nZi3

Yeah, okay, I'm the one arguing for the sake of it. Sure. Also, I'm not deleting your freakin' moves, and I don't care if you're right or not. And how, pray tell, am I thinking I'm owning this page? Probably because I disagree with your edit, right? --> So sayeth  M  e  t  h  n  o  r Sayeth back|Other sayethings

Methnor, you talk like this is just between you and Frenz, like this has nothing to do with the rest of the people here, and like absolutely nobody else has the capability to disagree with you about your opinion on "genericness" in wrestling moves. When multiple people disagree with you and it's not a matter of principle yet you still refuse to admit the people have a point, then you're acting like you own the page.

So excellently said^^^^! You act like you own the page when you dictate what goes on and comes off this page, and when asked why, you give incredibly weak answers. People disagree all the time, but you menthor are a wikipedia bully --Fr3nZi3 22:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not dictating anything, dude. I'm not going "RRR DELETE THAT STUFF YOU POSTED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR", and if you think I am, you need to check my comments again. Next, I realize people can disagree with my opinion, but it seems that BECAUSE I disagree with Frenz I'm a "major problem". Yeah, okay, whatever. And I never said you don't have a point - you do, but *I* do too, and if you haven't noticed, I'm not touching your edits anymore because a consensus hasn't been reached - you guys are still going "It should be there", I'm going "No it shouldn't". And Frenz, you have no right to call out someone on giving incredibly weak answers when you backed out with a "Whatever!" on the debate on our talk pages. --And there, McPhail even added the backhand chop. Happy now? Can we close up this debate? --> So sayeth  M  e  t  h  n  o  r Sayeth back|Other sayethings

You are very rude, and sarcastic which stinks to high heavens! The only reason I said whatever is because you love to argue too much, and from talking to you I realized that you are quite obstinate, so I chose to end the convo with a "whatever." We can now close this debate considering that a consensus has been reached. I am sure in like 2 weeks you'll go back and delete again anyway. SO yeah I am done. --Fr3nZi3 16:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

-What's so hard in deciphering what her finishers are and what are trademark/signature moves are? All you need to do is look at her matches to see what are consistent moves in her arsenal. The chops, whirlybird headscissors (newly adopted signature whereas before it was a variety of rana combinations), StratusFear. Her finishers are the Chick Kick and variant bulldog finishers. You guys went through all of that arguing for something so simple, lol.

Sharpshooter?
That is a poor excuse for a Sharpshooter by Trish! It looks more like a Sharpshootes than a Sharpshooter!MgHoneyBee 11:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Considering another name for the Sharpshooter is the Sharpshooter' of course it'll look similar. From the pics I've seen of Hart performing the move it looked okay to me, besides I doubt she's ever used it before but the crowd still went crazy when they realised she was going to apply it. Night Bringer 22:53, 18 September 2006 (GMT +10)

It looked OK to me! --Fr3nZi3 22:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be put under her finishers? She did just win the match and title using the move.

I don't think so, I dunno if I'm right or not but I bet Trish has never used the Sharpshooter before in her career so no it shouldn't be added to her list of finishers. Night Bringer 18:14, 21 September 2006 (GMT +10)

-The Sharpshooter move shouldn't be considered one of her finishers seeing as how she's only used it once in her career. Just because she won the match with it doesn't qualify it as one of her finishers. And there was nothing wrong with the way Trish applied the move. She hooked the legs properly, the only difference between what she did and what Bret does is that he applies much more pressure on the opponent by bending the legs back with his body weight to the point where he's almost sitting on the opponents back. Trish's application of the move is understandable for two main reason:

1) The women protect each other much more in their matches against one another than the men do. The men apply moves (particularly finishers) with as much strength as they can without legitimatley hurting their opponent. The women have obviously never wrestled in such a manner as the men. 2) Probably more importantly, we can't forget that Lita torn three parts of her knee. The knee is one of the two easiest injuries that can be constantly reinjured because the knee is a ball and socket joint which makes it not as strong as other body limbs. By Trish applying too much pressure could pose as a danger to Lita. The closest we saw was Trish get to applying the move EXACTLY like Bret's is when the match was finished and she was releasing the hold and fell to the side. Her body was almost resting on Lita's back like how Bret does it but by that time, Trish had already begun to loosen her grip around Lita's legs.

Sharpshooter in moves list?
Um since Trish only, to my knowledge, used the Sharpshooter once surely shouldn't it not be added to her moves list? Regardless of what she used it to do. Night Bringer 16:08, 22 September 2006 (GMT +10)

I beg to differ, yes she used the move once,but she sued it in her last match to win a WWE Championship, so yeah I think it should be added to her list. It is very notable --Fr3nZi3 16:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Using it only the once, and in Canada no less, it shouldn't be a finisher so much as a play to the crowd. Who, I'm sure, loved that she used it, but never-the-less it isn't a finisher of hers, as such. DannyBoy2k 22:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Unclear record
When Stratus won her sixth WWE Women's Title, she was said to have broken the record, now she is said to have broken the record now she has won seven! Which is correct. It has come to mym attention that The Fabulous Moolah actually won nine Women's Championships, which means Trish is not the record holder. Should this be mentioned in the article? --Fr3nZi3 16:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Each time she won the championship after her 4th win she breaks the current record. Her 5th win broke Moola's record of 4 wins. Her 6th win broke her own record of 5, and this one breaks that record. Breaking a record does not require you to beat someone else, just that you beat what is the current record and in this case it was 6 championships (held by Trish herself). Creol 22:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Erm that is not logical! Moolah had nine NWA/WWF Women's Title reigns so she has the record--not Trish! At Unforgiven, if you listen closely they said Moolah had six reigns! She actually had nine! But when Trish won five, they said Moolah had four. Face it they talk rubbish! Trish doesn't have the most reigns. --Fr3nZi3 16:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The key point there is that she has 9 NWA/WWF titles, not 9 WWF titles. WWE only recognises her 3 actual wins in WWF in addition to her championship in "creating" the Women's title when she sold the belt to WWF. Between it being highly doubtfull the old titles were defended under rules WWE finds close to reasonable and the fact that they were with a seperate company (that WWE doesnt own - WCW titles count), WWE's consideration of only 4 titles is fairly valid. To include all titles from all companies would require so much work including defunct outfits, international companies and the entire span of the independant circuit. Discreptancies and disputes are not unusual in this reguard as shown by "16 time world champion" Rick Flair who can be credited with 22 world titles but is listed as 16 mainly because of issues with WCW recognizing NWA title results. Then again, yes, they do talk rubish. Can't realy argue that point. But in this case, it seems more like they are just talking down to their veiwers and hoping they aren't bright enough to notice that they kept moving Moola's number up to make it seem Trish wasn't just breaking her own record. It also doesnt hurt them to ignore past company accomplishments to make their performers' accomplishments to sound more impressive. Creol 23:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but I don't see why they are making it seem like Trish was the greatest female athlete to ever step foot in a WWE ring, because she won seven Women's Titles, the thing is, as we know prfoessional wrestling is entirely scripted, so er winning seven titles is nothing to do with her personal ability, it is just to do with someone on the WWE creative team liking her. Also may I add three of her title reigns where when there were only like 3 women in the Division! So anyway I do feel as though there should be some mention in the article about the consistancy of the record. --Fr3nZi3 15:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

As the controversy over the number of wins is actually dealing directly with Moola rather than Trish, it might be best to add a section to Moola's page stating the issue with total wins and recognized wins and on Trish's page link the "recognized by WWE" at the top where it first brings up Trish's 7 wins over Moola's 4. It doesnt seem to make sense to add on one person's page how someone else is getting screwed over even if it does eventually impact that page. Moola's page should cover the controversy in my opinion. I agree that should be listed, it is just a question of where and how. Creol 12:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

-Moolah's NWA title reigns are not acknowledge by the WWE as WWE reigns because...well, because it wasn't officially the WWE/WWF back then. I think it's either a legal reason or it's just too complicated to consider NWA reigns as they aren't officially considered to be WWF and so it's valid to say that she is the record setting champion of the WWE. But I agree, Moolah's page should mention that she's had nine title reigns but only four are recognized by the WWE due to the fact that her NWA reigns were not considered official WWE.

As for Fr3nZi3, I agree that winning the titles are scripted, but it's the case for every male and female champion in the WWE. To acknowledge her as a record setting 7 times women's champion is necessary from a professional standpoint. From a personal standpoint, everyone knows that title reigns aren't solely based on wrestling and personal ability isn't applicable to anyone. If we were to go by that theory, then we shouldn't include title reigns for any male or female champion, past or present.

I don't appreciate Fr3nZi3's comments. You are right that WWE is scripted, but that has nothing to do with Trish's actual wrestling abilities which to me are considered the best out of any female in the industry. NWA/WWF, Moolah had a combined number of titles between those two brands. Moolah had only 4 WWF title reigns. Trish defeated that once, then defeated her own record, and then defeated her own record again to become a 7 time Women's Champion. Trish Stratus is the best female wrestler ever to grace the WWE. Opinion.

Please don't cite opinions as fact. Thank You. Fr3nZi3, One day, you're going to have a hernia over editing wikipedia. Please stop with the personal attacks. If you're right, you're right, if you're wrong, you're wrong.Sephiroth storm 05:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Trish Stratus is a 7-time WWE Women's Champion. Check www.wwe.com 75.7.250.218 05:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Bulldog
I do not see the need to add Bulldog (2000) again, when it is already under stratusfaction! That is just an extra uneeded piece of clutter added to the page. --Fr3nZi3 16:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It wasn't called the Stratusfaction in 2000, though. It was a simple bulldog, distinct from the more complicated variants Stratus would begin using in 2001. McPhail 22:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

And it was also not called the Trishdog

-It was called a running bull dog but her bulldog finisher should just cite that she usues a variation of bulldog maneuvers (running, cartwheel, top rope, springboard) - I don't know if I'm missing any but I don't think I am.

If you go online and look up the video for Stephanie McMahon and Trish's no way out bout u will hear King say "Get it right J.R, Thats now known as the Trishdog."

Smoker?
I have removed the information about Trish being a smoker... the woman in the photograph with Mickie James is not her, but rather, Johnny Jeter's boyfriend. Also, on the Stephanie McMahon page, why do people keep deleting the parts on how her butt was exposed in 2003?Flamboyantflairxxx 11:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean Johnny Jeter's girlfriend, right? 63.215.29.185 22:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Druggie?
I think its good that is does not say that Trish is a druggie because that is a lie she has done drugs a lot in her life, that was Stephanie McMahon!

Interestings Facts...
Should an Interesting Facts section be created that lists random facts that pertain to her career?

Example: The amount of main event matches she's been, Record Setting champion, only diva to retire with the woman's belt, most consecutive WM appearances, she's the third out of four females to WIN the title at a WM, etc. Things like these? I think it would really interesting to have a section like this made. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.121.95.188 (talk • contribs)

Her missing knuckle could also be added.


 * Interesting facts and Trivia would be about the same thing. 63.215.29.185 22:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I have added a source/reference for Stratus' missing knuckle. Insanityinc 23:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know, Trish wasn't the first to retire with the championship. When Chyna left the company in November 2001, she left as the women's champion, which Trish ended up gaining at Survivor Series in the six-pack challenge. Also Trish is a record setting WWF/E champion. The Fabulous Moolah held the WWE women's champion on four occasions. She held the NWA women's title five times and also held the JWPA women's title once.

I swear i'm not a slut!
I wouldn't be surprise if Trish "pornstar" stratus said that "Oh i would never do playboy!" But Oh plllease, she's the biggest sluttiest woman wrestler I have ever seen. and A friend of mine has seen her doing porn and she's alos posed in her underwear and possibally nude on the WWE site and she's been in many bra and panties match so i can't believe she's trying to make out that she's so refined that she would never pose for playboy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.203.187.167 (talk) 16:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

Posing in bra and panties is in no way fully exposing yourself. Wwe.com has never posted any nude pictures of any diva and your friend may not know that maybe theres one person out there that may have simillar features to Trish and they could be the one doing porn. The moral to my reply is dont post unnessesary posts without proof.

StratusFear or Stratusphere?
I really don't think it's spelled StratusFear, I've seen Stratusphere numerous times and the source for the current spelling isn't really valid. What do you think? The Unknowledgeable Genius 23:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What is the meaning of "StratusFear" anyway? Stratusphere is a play on words thus making more sense.  Anyway, I recently revised this. CRiyl 00:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And now in a possible point of a-Trish-ion, entering each word in the search engine to the official site, only two matches for "Stratusphere" against dozens of matches for "Stratusfear" along with the previous debate above. Sorry about this, and please keep cool before anyone attempts a wiki-Chick Kick. CRiyl 00:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Real Name?
I have 2 yearbooks here, from her high school, Richmond Hill High School, that refer to her as "Tricia Stratigeas" (grade 9, 89-90) and "Patricia Stratigeas" (grade 10, 90-91). I somehow doubt that the yearbook staff could have misspelled her last name two years in a row. What is the correct spelling of her real last name? 24.84.198.242 06:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's "Stratigias", because one of the references is a newpaper article about an interview with Trish regarding her upcoming last match. Given the circumstances, I would expect the writer would get her name right. Tabercil 20:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Patricia Stratigias. Trish for short. 75.7.250.218 05:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

question?
Isn't she known for her very large Butt?

No, that would be Molly Holly. The Unknowledgeable Genius 19:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Second question, entirely different - did she appear in Jay-Z's video for his single "Big Pimpin'"? (Particularly the woman dancing in a white cowboy hat near a vehicle which features prominently throughout a segment of the video) --75.2.16.245 10:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW, Since I'm here...Who butchered the personal life section and removed everything about her getting married??? Abalu 09:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)Abalu