Talk:Triumph International/Archives/2014

Draft
I am affiliated with Triumph International and therefore have a substantial conflict of interest. I would like to help bring this article up to "Good Article" status eventually, while following best practices regarding COI.

I've prepared a draft at User:CorporateM/Triumph and would like to kindly request a disinterested editor consider my work. In compliance with WP:COI, if an editor finds the article to be a clear improvement, I will file a Request Edit asking that someone else go ahead and merge it into article-space. CorporateM (Talk) 14:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * While I'm not entranced by the organization of the article, and too much of it seems to be a litany of companies acquired and brands sold, it's still a major improvement over the existing start-class article. So I support replacing the existing article with the version at User:CorporateM/Triumph. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks @user:John Broughton! I'll go ahead and submit a Request Edit (above) asking someone to merge User:CorporateM/Triumph into article-space. Meanwhile, if you do have specific suggestions on how to re-organize it, I'd be open to any feedback. Though a GA review may also result in some more comments. CorporateM (Talk) 18:49, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I reviewed the article with a mind towards moving the draft to main space. CorporateM, I have left some tags and hidden comments which I think need to be dealt with before we can move forward with this. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:19, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Crisco 1492! I'll be responding to each comment and/or checking them off as I go here:
 * Yup, "sloggi" appears to be all lower-case
 * Reason for strike: ✅ working conditions and pay
 * Couldn't find any sources on why the Inspiration awards were discontinued
 * It appears to be one in six woman in the world (presumably), but the source is not clear. I can provide a PDF of the full-text I obtained from the library's archives if you like.
 * It doesn't appear as though it being a family company was ever included, in the Lead or elsewhere. Am I missing something?
 * CorporateM (Talk) 03:08, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Last question: it appears I'm remembering the current article and not the draft. Sorry! Yeah, I'd like a look at the PDF. Dropbox? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:36, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Crisco 1492 Here is the Apparel International article (bottom-left corner). It's easier to read if you zoom-in. CorporateM (Talk) 03:46, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, it's not very clear where this 1 in 6 number comes from (world sales? what?). Mind you, that source also supports family ownership, which is useful. Also, that source capitalizes "Sloggi" for some reason. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:00, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * @Crisco 1492 I put "family owned" in the Lead with the source currently used in the article, but couldn't find a good place for it in the body, being that I don't have sources for an Organization section. I also added a few more bits of content where I found things as I was looking around. I noticed that their logo and website seem to emphasize lower-case for "sloggi", as well as some press releases though some put sloggi in title-caps in the title. CorporateM (Talk) 13:42, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * @Crisco 1492 I put "family owned" in the Lead with the source currently used in the article, but couldn't find a good place for it in the body, being that I don't have sources for an Organization section. I also added a few more bits of content where I found things as I was looking around. I noticed that their logo and website seem to emphasize lower-case for "sloggi", as well as some press releases though some put sloggi in title-caps in the title. CorporateM (Talk) 13:42, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok, a more recent press release does go by "Sloggi" argh. I could just ask them what their style guidelines are? Or is there a rule about how to handle it. CorporateM (Talk) 13:45, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Based on the treatment of the "i" products (iPhone, iPad etc.) I think the standard is to use the company's brand name. So just verify which the company prefers: Sloggi or sloggi. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:57, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * @Crisco 1492 Confirmed. It is "sloggi" (lowercase). CorporateM (Talk) 20:55, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, it's gone live. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 18:09, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please disable the "edit request" when you're ready: An editor asked for help with a long list on the pump and will be happy if it worked here. –Be..anyone (talk) 23:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and disabled it. Glad to see user:Sphilbrick is still rallying the troops to man the Request Edit queue, a much-needed endeavor. CorporateM (Talk) 00:01, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Needs images
The Good Article criteria requires that the article have images before it can qualify. I have to look-up the details, but I believe there is a Wikipedia conference in New York in a month or two and that is where Triumph made its entrance into the US market, so I should be able to get some photographs of local stores and products while I'm there. It may therefore be a while until it's ready for a GA nomination (after I get some photos). If anyone has a specific request of what I take a picture of, please let me know! CorporateM (Talk) 00:10, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't require images, they are just nice too have. Wouldn't a photograph of a Triumph-brand bra also work? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yah, I was thinking one photo of a Triumph bra and one of the store entrance. The bra for the Products section and the store photo for the infobox or in the History section where it discusses US expansion. The German version of this article has some photos of the founders and old logos that could also be used. I usually see photos of execs as a promotional COI issue, but I am a bit more split on the historical versions of the trademark. I'll go ahead and nominate since it's not a stern requirement. I was also thinking whether there is a specific bra I can take a photo of that is distinctively "Triumph". Thoughts on the images from the German article? CorporateM (Talk) 00:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think any of them are particularly good. For a store entrance, I think a German or UK branch would be better, under freedom of panorama laws. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)