Talk:Trivium (band)/Archive 1

Listen to me
I want everyone to listen to me very carefully. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a place to score scene points or to push your own opinions about music. Look around at other articles on the site. They are written in a formal tone by mature adults. Just because you listen to music or really really love a particular band does not mean you can come here and claim some sort of jurisdiction over an article relating to that music or band. Now, Wikipedia is not elitist - anyone can edit. But if you cannot make your arguments in the formal tone that you're expected to write in and cannot provide any support other than your emotions, you should not be here. You're welcome to post on their MySpace page or fan site, which you probably already do. The purpose of Wikipedia is to share knowledge with the general public, and to give them as accurate an idea as possible about a specific topic regarding which they have little or no knowledge. It is not made for fanboys and scene kids to argue amongst each other. Furthermore, if you want to philosophize about how we shouldn't 'label' bands or confine them to genres, go do it somewhere else. Wikipedia organizes music articles based on genre, and genres are needed to give people an idea of what the band sounds like other than 'omg dis band is awesome!!!'. Now, as to the question of this particular band and what genre they occupy: Going back to their beginning, if you look at the bands they toured with, the kinds of shows they played, and yes, their early music itself, it is undeniable that their early rise to fame took place firmly within the American metalcore scene. On the other hand, their current sound does not have many of the elements that define metalcore, such as breakdowns or screaming. Hence our dilemma. The best way to describe Trivium is that they are part of what has been called the "New Wave of American Metal", which is itself a combination of Metalcore, Swedish Death Metal, and Thrash. More specifically, they are part of a recent trend within this movement shared by bands like Avenged Sevenfold and 3 Inches of Blood, who have shed most of the metalcore sound and subject matter in order to revive a more traditional metal sound and image. But does this make them Metal? I would say no. I realize that 'metalcore' has become an unfashionable term, thus prompting bands to call themselves 'metal' instead. But younger listeners should realize that long before the current trend, there was an established style and tradition of metal. And the guys who listened to Iced Earth or Angra would not call bands like Shadows Fall or Trivium 'metal'. Metal music doesn't only exist in the form of either chug-chug metalcore bands like As I Lay Dying or the new thrash revival bands like Trivium. Listen to some actual metal from the mid-nineties and you'll see that Trivium is at least as different from that as As I Lay Dying is from Trivium. My compromise proposal: Metalcore-influenced thrash metal band By the way, we do not simply label a band as whatever they want to be labeled, because this is an encyclopedia and not a PR outlet. Also, if you think the music press is crap, good for you, but until you become a credible authority of your own, those are the sources to cite. --Alex

The problem here is that the hang up on genres is, in fact, irrelevant. Any sort of comparison is far too subjective for an ecyclopedia article. Please be polite and observe the wikipedia rules.

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are you kidding me pt. 2==

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 * You are gonna sit there on your computer and tell me that as i lay dying belongs in the same genre as trvium...I dare you to say that again, hmm lets find the similarities oh i know one they are both bands, thats about it.  as i lay dying does not have the complex guitar solos or the heavy thrash influence as trivium does, there is not one ounce of punk or hardcore punk influence in trivium which is required in order to be a metalcore band...so ill leave it simply as saying you're somehwat moronic, maybe not just uninformed... plus if trivium says they are thrash ill take their word for it, what do you think they are lying?... yea um we play glam by the way, no i dont think so, they are thrash and its the truth so get over it get this metalcore crap out of your heads because its not happening... every time i die is metalcore, haste the day is metalcore...TRIVIUM is NOT. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul."

The Thrash Metal genre has been influenced and almost created by Hardcore Punk and Heavy Metal, now I'm not saying that trivium are (definately) metalcore or not. even you would know that if you know Trivium well enough to go on about how they are not metalcore and how they say they are Thrash metal. Think before expressing over-opinionated views and unecessary comments, this page is open for discussion not opinionated, sarcastic remarks and comments, may god have mercy on your soul.Paladin91 16:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Last I remeber thrash metal by domain is influenced by PUNK, also Matt played a cover of The Offspring at a high school talent show - They arent as "metal" as they want you to think they are. Also what is true metal anyways? ..going back to what bands did in the 80s hah....how boring and uninventive.

NPOV
This really needs rewriting to make it NPOV


 * "Bands that have a similar sound include Unearth, and, to some extent, Atreyu. Trivium members enjoy the bands Iron Maiden, Pantera and Metallica, among others, and may have been influenced by all three." I can see what you mean... 13-days 21:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Done my best to clean it up (still not sure about that second paragraph)... Also added an infobox, and the "Ascendancy" cover next to the discography. 13-days 21:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I removed a bit of POVness from the article... "While most agree that they have the potential to be bigger than Star Wars" without a decent reference certainly shows bias.TO11MTM 08:00, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * They have the potential to be bigger than Star Wars? If you could ever find that reference, whomever wrote it needs to be banned from writing ever again. The only way they could be bigger than Star Wars is in the parody videos they have on YouTube. But the article needs to be as much NPOV as possible. Vegetaman 20:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The Rising Single
I've looked on Google, and can't find any citation for this so I am going to remove it until someone can find some. Thanks  Asics    Talk 11:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hope I helped
I just added a bunch of info to the page, so I hope I helped out somewhat.

As did I, adding a new section on their new song. The link is at the bottom of the page if you wish to tidy it up a bit. ~Jimmymac

Stop putting lies
Please If you don't know about music dont put anything on the articles, and I'm talkin about the one who put stuff about avenged sevenfold

Your punctuation sucks. I hope you don't edit pages.

Be Fair
I know most Trivium fans don't like them (Trivium) being compared to Avenged Sevenfold, but it's a factual statement and you have got to live with that, ok? The article says "...to some extent, Avenged Sevenfold", the article says to some extent, not 'Trivium is influnced by A7X'. Don't take it seriously in thinking we're comparing Trivium to Avenged Sevenfold, we're not.

Justifications
Some aspects of Trivium's sound is similar to that of Avenged Sevenfold from their Waking the Fallen album. However since you are so stubbornly against this I removed any mention of Avenged Sevenfold. Unearth's singing and guitar work are very similar to that of Trivium's and I feel it is accurate to say that they have a similar sound. To people who know nothing of Trivium, Unearth (formed in 1998) is a good reference point to get a feel for what kind of music they play. Atreyu is further away from Trivium's sound, but their guitar work has certain similarities that also serves to help describe Trivium's sound.

Matt Heafy has stated that Iron Maiden, Pantera and Metallica are three bands that he likes. This does not neccessarily mean that Trivium's music is influenced by these bands. Since these three bands have only passing resemblances to Trivium's music, it probably should not be said that they are the musical influences.

Finally, for the person who keeps saying that the band hates being labeled metalcore, Trivium's wikipedia article is not about what the band members want to be labeled, it's about a factual representation of the band itself. The fact of the matter is that of any genre that could be used to label this band, metalcore is much more accurate than metal. Refer to this section of the metalcore article for an excellent argument on why Trivium is more metalcore then plain metal. It is true that they are not the same as other metalcore bands, but it is the genre that most accurately describes the band in a single word. Please do not alter the article just because somebody doesn't like what it says.--Bouyeeze 22:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Either way, what you said in your first two paragraphs don't represent a neutral point of view, and shouldn't be included in the article. 13-days 21:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

About their Genre
Please stop changing it from METAL to METALCORE. Trivium may be labeled Metalcore by some magazines and things, but they are strictly METAL. They directly dislike being labeled that, so why don't we just leave it at Metal.


 * Korn and Linkin Park don't like being referred to as nu-metal - but that's what they are. The definition in the article should correspond to what the music sounds like, not what the band wants to call it.

More like what some stupid magazine like circus calls it.

There is a distinct lack of any punk aspects in any of Trivium's material, and Heafy's lyrics are analogous rather than homologous to what Killswitch Engage do. They are not metalcore, there is a much bigger similarity with power and "true" metal.

I thought most wiggers were hung up on labels. So, what does it matter if they're label METAL or METALCORE or even PUNK? If they're good, what genre they follow under should not matter to any extent. Why do they have to sound like someone else, too? Maybe they have no outside influences. Maybe they're just a good band. For fuck's sake, leave it at that!
 * Trivium aren't 'true' or 'pure' metal. They are the next form of nu-metal, lame contrived music with guitar solos so they don't get the nu-metal tag.:
 * Er, I fail to see what Trivium shares in common with nu metal. Care to elaborate? -- D a l k a e n T / C 03:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I have heard it said that metalcore is the new nu-metal. Basically, it's the bastardized genre of choice for record label execs looking for the next big thing.  Metalcore that is not close on the spectrum toward melodic death nor mathcore actually have quite a bit in common with hard nu-metal bands.  Slipknot could very well be labeled metalcore or nu-metal and there are some Slipknot wannabes out there (not speaking of Mushroomhead because I believe A: they were there first and B: because I don't think there stuff tends toward metalcore).  In addition, Mudvayne's earlier music could fit into either category fairly easily.  That being said, I don't think Trivium is anywhere close to Nu-metal in the metalcore spectrum.Dawhitfield 05:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The terms true or pure metal have no meaning anyway since they never mean the same thing within a handful of people as opposed to concrete terms such as 'nu-metal'. Second, Trivium are nothing like nu-metal, contrivation and guitar solos or not. Last, there are many metal, um, 'true' bands who solo and sound like lame contrived shit...and since the terms 'contrived' are subjective your argument is weightless. --Rp81 04:56, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Bad writing
What muppet wrote this article?

Terrible grammar, loads of useless information and promotion of the band I mean come on I quote 'You may think the band would be tired after this but they are not, they are aching every bone in their body, it is terrible, but theyre dedication is great.'

What is that? Certainly no good for an Encyclopedia.


 * I went though and weeded out all the crap and useless information. It still needs alot of work. I'm not a fan of these guys so I can't be of much help other than that. Dwnsjane2 03:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

These guys are Melodic Metalcore morons.

Well...
Inserting the word "emo" in as many places as you can in an article isn't very mature, now, is it?

Replaced emocore with metalcore a few times as that's at least closer to their genre than emocore. I'll leave the rest of you to decide if there's a better term.

I never want to see the word 'emo' in a Trivium article. ~MissRain~

Trivium is metalcore with a huge emo side to them, if you don't see it you are definitely in denial.

-What aspect of Trivium is emo? Reference the Wikipedia page for emo.

-Whatever people say, Trivium is not emo. Some of their songs have emotional lyrics, but do you see or hear them whine their lyrics out? No. Is their any Trivium song where they whine about girls or being nerds and etc.? Do you see any of the bandmembers wearing tight pants, big, black glasses and sporting really long sideburns? No. Also, if you think Trivium is emo, then something is wrong with your ears people.-Carl Adamson

'Do you see any of the bandmembers wearing tight pants?' Actually, now that you mention it.... http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/SilentKnight485/Trivium-Photo-July-2005-1.jpg

Emo

if you dont like trivium wtf are you doing looking them up?

-Trivium can't be emo; they are completely the wrong genre. Trivium is Thrash/metalcore. Emo is emotional punk.

Trivium-emo? To quote the actual Wikipedia page about emo music, "Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria, Death Cab for Cutie, Fall Out Boy, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Panic! at the Disco, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Story of the Year, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, The Used, and Underoath." In what way is Trivium anywhere close to these bands? Emocore is used to describe music that is emotional hardcore. Trivium's genre should just be considered metalcore and left at that. Catherine Catalyst XxNo.One.RunsxX 14:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Bloodforsaken
This is NOT a Trivium album, despite what you may have aquired from torrents.

The Bloodforsaken album is an album by "Thirdmoon"

Not headlining Download Festival
Just changed 'They are due to headline one of the main stages at the Download Festival' (or something along those lines) to 'they are due to perform on one of the...'

They are not headlining, as Tool, Metallica and Guns N' Roses are headlining the 3 days of the Download Festival

Side note: I went to Download, Trivium sucked major ass. Having watched them, I'd definitely say metalcore; all the pinches and squeal gave it away.

Neo-Thrash
Please, this genre does not exist and top of it, they are not a thrash metal band (far from it). Fast does nto equal thrash metal. I vote to remove it - panasonicyouth99

I came to the discussion page to suggest the same thing. I swear, genre labelling has gotten way out of hand. Trivium is Metal. Whatever you want to add onto it, be it Nu, Neo or Thrash, there's still Metal on the end of it. Leave it at that, because nobody can contest it.

Metal is too fucking broad, they're fucking metalcore, end of story

MetallicA cover
I didnt know where to mention this but i thought here would be a good starting place. Found a cover of 'for whom the bell tolls" done by Trivium

Paolo
Just removed/changed "Feeling so strongly about the group,because he knew they were about to be signed with RoadRunner and that RoadRunner would give them tons of money and promote them because of their popular, some say poserish, type of music, Paolo left another group to be a part of Trivium." ...Seemed very non-npov to me, feel free to change back. Dan 11:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, that particular line was just one of a whole slew of POV edits (vandalism, really) by Playguitar. Most of the edits since then have been undoing those changes in a piecemeal fashion; I have just taken the liberty of reverting the entire article to the version just before Playguitar's most recent edits. ArthurDenture 03:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Band Comparisons/ Genre
Look whover put that Trivium sound Nothing like Slipknot. Slipknot hardly ever have guitar solos, are much slower and have a DJ. Also Melodic Metal is not a real genre but the closest thing would be Metalcore or Melodic Death Metal so that is what I changed it to. Encyclopedia Metallica cites them as Melodic Death metal i think. (Well last time i checked) so that is really what I think to.

Band Comparisons/ Genre
Look whover put that Trivium sound Nothing like Slipknot. Slipknot hardly ever have guitar solos, are much slower and have a DJ. Also Melodic Metal is not a real genre but the closest thing would be Metalcore or Melodic Death Metal so that is what I changed it to. Encyclopedia Metallica cites them as Melodic Death metal i think. (Well last time i checked) so that is really what I think to.

--81.131.90.137 11:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The claim that they are merely copying metallica is ridiculous, the style is completely different, I hqve never heard anyone say that before,

genre...
Ok there is no way they are melodic death metal. Death metal is bands like Dark Funeral and Immortal and they sure as hell don't sound like them, melodic death metal is bands like Arch Enemy and In Flames and again they dont sound like them do they? They are more alike to the genre metalcore...

Dark Funeral and Immortal are black metal. Death metal are bands like Deicide and Cannibal Corpse. And yes people Trivium are metalcore so stop whining emo posers.

Genre again
ok.. Dark Funeral and Immortal are black metal..oops; Cannibal and Nile... there we go...

Please, please can we stop arguing aobut genres here. Trivium are metal, you might call them metalcore, thrash metal, nu metal, whatever. There metal, that cannot be disputed.

Genre Revisited
Please fucking stop all this shit about genres. There metal, end of. Maybe they have hardcore elements, nu metal elements, but lets just agree on metal ok? There are 2 types of music in this world, good and bad. Keep it like that ok?

I guess we should just label them as 'Bad' then?

Genre one more time
hmm I'll leave it as 'Metal' as I cba to fight over it anymore and that no one seems to be able to agree. All I'm gunna say is that Trivium sure ain't just pure 'metal' as that isn't really possible...

Tallica
Also, what someone was saying earlier about some metallica covers. Trivium did record some metallica covers whilst at high school. This includes ride the lighting, master of puppets, for whom the bell tolls. :)

tallica covers
I think they are appearing on the Master of Puppets cover album?

Tallica
Yer, trivium recorded master of puppets on kerrangs free give away master of puppets tribute album.

Genre
Trivium are metalcore. Do not change this. --Jeff24 00:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Try Melodic Metalcore, but close.

All metalcore is melodic, even if it wasn't it wouldn't be that neccessery to say they were melodic in the first line. XdiabolicalX 02:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

False. Listen to Hatebreed and you wont find the same amount of melody youd find in Killswicth Engage or Bullet for my Valentine. Not all metalcore is melodic. Likelightoflies 09:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

False. Hatebreed is basically tough guy hadcore with very little metal influences. XdiabolicalX 17:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Melodic Death Metal
Melodic Death Metal. Lol. That's pretty funny.

Weasel Words - Outperforming Iron Maiden
First off I'd like to see them try ;) And secondly and more importantly, can we get a source on this? It states that "They are rumoured to try to outperform Iron Maiden by bringing out some sort of stage props, some which are considered to be like Eurovision winners Lordi"...who says this? Where do the rumours come from? This qualifies for the Weasel words tag and should remain there until these article is written from a NPOV.--Jeff24 16:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed the tags to template:sources and template:pov. Jon138 17:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I was actually at a Iron Maiden/Trivium show. And yes, Trivium did put on a good show, but Maiden blew them out fo the water ;) 83.243.30.224 09:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Genre for the LAST LAST TIME
These guys are Melodic Metalcore, if you don't believe me go to www.metal-archives.com and search Trivium. That site is 100% correct. These guys aren't Thrash, or Swedecore (They aren't like In Flames, At The Gates, Dark Tranquility nor are they from Sweden), nor Melodic Death Metal. They are Melodic Metalcore.

In Flames, ATG, and Dark Tranquility are (Or Were) Melodic Death Metal Bands from Sweden. Dark Tranquility wrote a bunch of riffs that have been emulated and changed over and over again by several bands that are now under the banner of "Metalcore." Trivium, Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, The Acacia Strain, and Unearth are bands that take those riffs and change them subtly and write songs over them, over and over again, using the vocal styles of the Metalcore artists from the late 80's. The subgenre of Metalcore that uses this style has been named "Swedecore." You are correct, The Swedish riffs they copy are "Melodic," but the name of the subgenre is "Swedecore." Also, this website is NOT a mirror site of Metal-Archives, and they aren't the end-all, be-all source of information. We have a page on Swedecore, and this band belongs to that Subgenre. - --Trendkill 00:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with trendkill, and metal-archives aren't 100% right, stuff like this can be opinionated. And really, if it's good music, who cares?

ok what is this...
Swedcore you've got to be kidding now, out of all the people who browse wiki to edit these things as a boring hobby this has got to be one of the worst ive ever seen, now im a huge fan of trivium and cant stand seeing this, swedcore.... trivium is melodic death metal, trivium is thrash...trivium is not this swedcore nor are most of the bands that are reportedly swecore, this is a dumb genre that should be erased from existence and never spoken of again...i award you no points and may god have mercy on your soal

I changed the genres to the true ones

Melodeath?
If As I Lay Dying is metalcore, how is Trivium Melodic Death? I think that we should just leave it as metalcore, because that's what their music is generally agreed to be.

are you kidding me...
You are gonna sit there on your computer and tell me that as i lay dying belongs in the same genre as trvium...I dare you to say that again, hmm lets find the similarities oh i know one they are both bands, thats about it. as i lay dying does not have the complex guitar solos or the heavy thrash influence as trivium does, there is not one ounce of punk or hardcore punk influence in trivium which is required in order to be a metalcore band...so ill leave it simply as saying you're somehwat moronic, maybe not just uninformed... plus if trivium says they are thrash ill take their word for it, what do you think they are lying?... yea um we play glam by the way, no i dont think so, they are thrash and its the truth so get over it get this metalcore crap out of your heads because its not happening... every time i die is metalcore, haste the day is metalcore...TRIVIUM is NOT. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
 * I agree that Trivium is thrash metal. But most people seem to agree that they are also a metalcore band. Just read this page, they mostly seem to agree on metalcore, and that's how they are listed at metal archives and on the list of metalcore bands. I was just saying that As I Lay Dying sounds much more like Melodic Death than Trivium and that the Melodic Death label shouldn't be applied to Trivium in that case. I'll put thrash back up but I'm not taking Metalcore off, and I'm sure as hell not going to add Melodic Death back.Theunknown42 03:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

hmmm
Most metalcore bands are without the complex guitar riffs and solos. This is the most notable factor i can offer. Metalcore is Killswitch Engage, this band has punk influences and is also without solos thus giving it that genre title, no where does trivium have punk influences and is chalk full of solos, even if you were to go to the metalcore wiki page no sign of solos is mentioned. So hmmm what genre has complex guitar riffs and is absent of punk influences... thrash.
 * Thrash has no punk influence? God, go read the damn Thrash article, infact heres a quote from it;


 * "The origins of thrash metal are generally traced to the late 1970s and early 1980s, when a number of bands began incorporating the sound of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal[1] with elements of hardcore punk."


 * See that last word, yeah? XdiabolicalX 11:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Can't we just call them the best metal band ever?... Wouldn't that better describe trivium?

No. 1) They're not metal. 2) They copy just about everything from other bands. 3) It's POV. 4) They're just rubbish. XdiabolicalX 01:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

If you say that Trivium is not metal, is rubbish. Then I'm sorry you must be of Bolivian ancestry, in that case, we understand.
 * No you must just be a n00b, it's alright you'll get over it one day. However go look up any of the metal pages and you'll learn. XdiabolicalX 12:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I read an interview with Trivium, in which the lead singer talked about how much he hated metalcore. I'd scan the article, but that would be original research. Just my thoughts. 782 Naumova 17:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well if he hates metalcore so much then maybe they shouldn't be playing metalcore, hmm? Xlegionx 02:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

well..........
The same type of dedication and youthful exuberance goes into the band's music. Ascendancy, the group's second album, their first on Roadrunner Records, is filled with carefully crafted songs that surge with energy, passion and originality. Like their solid 2003 debut Ember To Inferno, Ascendancy is rooted in ‘80s and 90's thrash, recalling the glory days of Metallica, Slayer, Pantera and Testament. But, the new disc doesn't stop there, incorporating aspects of melodic death metal and even prog-rock. Twin guitar harmonies and point/counterpoint dynamics abound, twisting around vocals that alternate from melodic and pained to caustic and full of rage. "We had so much more to work with this time," says Heafy of the Jason Suecof-produced disc. "I had great guitar sounds, Travis is playing like a machine and the vocals are so much more multi-dimensional."

-right off their bio...


 * That doesn't prove anything. The fact your edits keep getting reverted by everyone and not just me should be something you note. Diabolical 17:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't really have any opinion on the whole metalcore issue. However, i think we can all agree that trivium is without any doubt thrash. so you guys can go back and forth all you'd like, but for thrash not to be added to the genre box is a travesty. and diabolical, educate yourself you bolivian.
 * Thanks for the abuse but just because they release one album that sounds a bit like Metallica doesn't mean they're thrash. Diabolical 01:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Cite
I just realized, this page actually has 0 citations. There is not one place where this article cites its sources. Anyone who has the sources for this information please add them. --Wildnox 01:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What about the crusade?
Sorry to bring up the genre dispute again, but what about the latest Trivium album? Surely that wouldn't be considered Metalcore...
 * It isn't out yet, has it gained radio play, or are there videos? Otherwise I cannot answer. --Wildnox 00:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You can hear "Detonation" on their site, very thrash metal, MUCH more so than their other stuff
 * I don't know why someone removed your comment. I listened to it earlier today, it still sounds like metalcore, though I will say there is a thrash influence which was lacking in their earlier music. --Wildnox 21:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Its rubbish. They've ripped off Metallica. Surely they could have come up with some more original stuff. Obvioulsy not.

Lots of people are going to hate it, but it's thrash. I also went up to the local metal bar the other night and they were headlining, and all of their OLD metalcore stuff is thrash now too because they just completely stopped screaming and put solos where the breakdowns used to be. I'm not gonna change the genre because this page is a fucking mess, but their new album, and the direction they've taken the band in, is thrash. I'm not saying it's great, but it certainly isn't horrible, and it isn't metalcore any longer. Also, their new song sounds good, but it also sounds like 2 Minutes To Midnight by Maiden. Trendkill 17:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd say that it's a pretty rough mix of genres. Ignition has death/thrash, Detonation has death/thrash with an eerr pop-punk part, Entrance Of The Conflagration, not sure about that one, but it has got a cute solo, and the song reminds me a bit of Symphony X in some parts, Anthem is a lot like traditional metal, Unrepentant is thrash alright although again it gets elements all the way from Nintendoish solos to Symphony X passages with a palm muted guitar harmonic minor background and symphonic back vocals, And Sadness Will Sear reminds me of Metallica vocally, not sure about the musical part, Becoming The Dragon reminded me of the heavier Dream Theater in many parts with some thrash parts, To the Rats is thrash alright, This World Can't Tear Us Apart, I won't comment on this song, ugh, no wonder they threw urine bottles at the band members, Tread The Floods is thrash again with cute solos, Contempt Breeds Contamination is hard for me to put in any genre, it has a very Pantera-like part at 2:10-2:32 (listen to the ending notes especially, and the "shouting" voice, brings me good old memories of Pantera..), the Rising is as Heafy told himself, Southern rock, now The Crusade is something that was a hell of a positive surprise, a total progressive metal instrumental that took prog so literally that 3:46-4:35 (starting from 4:08 already is a rhythmic pattern very typical of DT) sounds TOO MUCH like Dream Theater to me, so does the 5:53-6:40. --84.249.253.201 03:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Paolo
Why does Paolo Gregoletto redirect here? Doesn't he deserve his own page? Adamravenscroft 16:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the AFD discussion, no he does not. --Wildnox 17:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * See the AFD here.--Wildnox 17:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Lack of information, i started the article again we just need more information so if hes going to have his own article we need all the information we can get.

Past Member's
Aside from Brent Young is there any proof that anyone else on that list was actually in the band? I know that they had a singer for a few weeks but none of the interviews I've seen have disclosed any names --24.185.114.85 07:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Seriously now, not to mention in a recent article which interviews both Matt and Travis, they claim it was Travis's band, and they only cite a original lead singer who they claim Travis kicked out for wanting the band to sound like Tool, they never make mention of any other guitarists, and the band they claim formed in 2000 not 1999.--24.185.114.85 05:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Brad was that vocalist, and Jared was the bassist at the time. I know nothing of this greg guy, but I was good friends with matt in high school, and knew the band then. Although I don't have any proof. Coalesce002 02:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Biography?
not in chronological order, plus its a bit like a novel, "and then they did this, and they did that" its not really a proper Biography —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.108.174.235 (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

WikiProject Trivium
If anyone wants they can join the WikiProject Trivium Asics 01:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

NOT THRASH METAL
Trivium is not thrash metal and will never be. They are metalcore influenced by thrash no doubt. but real thrash bands don't have the faggotry in the choruses. Real thrash : Nuclear Assault, Municipal Waste, Kreator, DRI, Testament, Biomechanical, Vio-Lence. Psuedo-thrash metalcore : Shawdows Fall, Trivium —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.82.35.212 (talk) 04:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

Crusade has already outsold Ascendancy
i see the article says crusade has only sold 92,000 in the usa, and 60,000 in the U.K.... the crusade has actually sold 175,000 in the united states and 100,000 un the U.K., worlwide sales total over 400,000 compared to 300,000 for there last cd —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metallifreak100 (talk • contribs)

That's positively Medieval!
In their bio it says they formed in 1764...Hello??? I don't know when exactly they got together however it certainly was NOT 1764!!! Wickedxjade 11:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Article needs work
There are external jumps, citation needed tags ( a lot of them) and the article is missing a lot of information, such as a criticism section. This band is heavily criticized for being very similar to Metallica. The <ref tags aren't formatted properly and are missing titles, author, publisher, date last accessed - more info here. M3tal H3ad 10:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)