Talk:Troika Pottery

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The True Troika Story by Caroline Barnett (formerly ILLSLEY)

Leslie Illsley and his wife Caroline ( now Caroline Barnett) met at Kingston Art School sculpture department .In 1960 it was Caroline's idea to start a pottery and for her to do the designs, which she did; and for Leslie to do cast pottery as he had done casting in a shoe factory in London. Caroline's father, Sir Douglas Frank, funded the setting up of Troikia in 1963 at Wheal Dream, St Ives(under the Seamens' Mission). Her brother in law, Roland Miller, dreamed up the trading name. Leslie & Caroline decided to take on two people: B.Siroto and J.Thomson ,as by now they had a baby, Saskia, and Caroline could not work full time, but nevertheless, she still did many designs and decorating. Initially it did not do very well but now has now become quite popular. After Troika Pottery moved to Newlyn following the tragic disssolution of their marraige, due to financial difficulties Troika had to close. Caroline's mother Peggy Frank gave Caroline a square vase and pot which gave her the inspiration for the sqare pots. Full story available from St.Ives Archive Centre.

By Caroline Barnett( formerly Illsley)June 07. St.Ives

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--mervyn 08:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I can attest to the authenticity of this history. Ashley Frank —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.25.106.209 (talk • contribs).

What did the pottery look like?
There is no description or picture, a serious omission. Could someone who is familiar with it describe it, please? Marshall46 (talk) 17:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC) The pottery was situated on the north-west ground floor of the Seamen's' Mission building in St Ives. Entrance was directly into a small showroom with a few stairs down to the main production area on the left hand side comprising of a wet area where the pottery was cast, two large (for studio potteries at the time) electric kilns. There were two decorating and glazing tables next to a large picture window.

Ashley Frank 13 April 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.171.114.190 (talk) 12:41, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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This is not entirly true and misleading.I am Lesie Illsley's first wife. Please contact The Archive Centre in St.Ives, Cornwall for the True Troika Pottery Story. Thanks CB
 * Posted at 14:28, 16 April 2009 by User:Grannyline ; Moved by --mervyn (talk) 14:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The pottery was not situated on St Ives seafront but on the ground floor of the Seamens' Mission at Wheal Dream [50.216162,-5.476438 - Google Maps]. The entrance was directly into the showroom area that reached to the rear then down steps to the open plan pottery workshop. Above was the Seamens' Mission with snooker and table tennis with s small kiosk that served tea and soft drinks. Often the staff at Troika would spend their lunch breaks playing table tennis. AF —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleyfrank (talk • contribs) 17:32, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

?Advertising?
Someone removed a reference to Troika show at [[Penlee House], Penzance from 19 January to 9 March 2013] as "advertising". Surely a mistaken decision. The Troika material on display is not on sale. It is presented in a scholarly manner, not as a commercial enterprise Vernon White  '''. . . Talk'''
 * See WP:NOTADVERTISING Vernon White  . . . Talk 15:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed the external link because it was advertising an exhibition and it contains no further info about the articles subject.Theroadislong (talk) 15:35, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The Penlee House website shows a text containing 415 words starting "In celebration of the 50th anniversary of the founding of Troika Pottery in St Ives in 1963, Penlee House Gallery & Museum in Penzance is presenting the first exhibition in twenty years of the work of the group of artists who created and made this now internationally famous brand of pottery. . . . ." very informative. The events section of the website lists a couple of workshops linked to the Troika show. It seems to me that people studying Troika need to know that a gallery took the trouble to arrange a special exhibition on Troika.  Vernon White  . . . Talk 22:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like advertising to me. Support link removal. MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 19:42, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Did you read NOTADVERTISING ? Vernon White  . . . Talk 22:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

RfC: Inappropriate external link?
I removed an external link (http://www.penleehouse.org.uk/whats-on.html) from the article Troika Pottery which I strongly consider to be advertising User:Vernon39 disagrees I would like a third opinion.Theroadislong (talk)


 * I agree that it is advertising and should be removed. The material is about an exhibit, not the history of Troika Pottery in general. CorporateM (Talk) 23:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Lynn Chadwick article, started by TR Islong, has two ext refs which could be regarded as advertising, using his criteria. Vernon White  . . . Talk 23:33, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

If the 50th anniv. exhibition is significant enough, why not work it into the article instead, citing it to one of the newspaper reports, such as this which includes some other snippets of info not already covered, such as the derivation of the name. —S MALL JIM   11:41, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done that for you.Theroadislong (talk) 12:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

A little late to the conversation am I? RFC Bot just dropped me a notice of this. I think it might be a good idea to remove the RFC box. MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 19:40, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Photos removed
I removed two photographs of "rare" Troika added by conflicted User:Troikafloyd because they did not illustrate anything mentioned in the text of the article, if there is reliably sourced content which can be added about the pots then feel free to add them back. Theroadislong (talk) 12:23, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is the only article that Troikafloyd has edited, and edits back in 2017 were deleted as having declared certain Troika pieces as rare and valuable. These appear to be the same as recently added and removed as photographs, and may (may) be works that this editor owns. Minimally, the editor should declare a conflict of interest as a collector. David notMD (talk) 13:26, 15 September 2020 (UTC)