Talk:Tron (cryptocurrency)/Archive 1

Unsourced content
I have removed unsourced content, that was not easy to follow + was a bit fluffy. -- Devoke water  (talk)  18:24, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Recent edits
The edits made by Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) have been reverted, they need to be discussed on here first, -- Devoke water  (talk)  15:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC).


 * Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) these edits need to be discussed, if not, you'll find that senior editors e.g. VViking Talk Edits + David Gerard (talk) will reverse them. -- Devoke water   (talk)  15:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Let's discuss. I will be happy to discuss. --Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * before you spend too much time polishing your message above (perhaps you already did), please make sure you have independent reliable sources to support your claims. Something like articles in reputable media, not crypto sites and blogs. And please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a collection of links. We can put a link to the official site of the subject of the article, but not much more than that. Retimuko (talk) 05:37, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice and constructive criticism. It is very nice that newcomers are well treated here. I'll start with the simplest. --Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 06:03, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * So let's start. The article says: The internet community responded in a polarized way,[11] many industry analysts including former staff from Tron Foundation, believe, it unlikely that Tron could execute transactions at the rate needed to make a tokenized BitTorrent work.[citation needed]

1. polarized way - very vague wording, judging by the above article - [11], users perceived the news positively

2. many industry analysts including former staff from Tron Foundation, believe, it unlikely that Tron could execute transactions at the rate needed to make a tokenized BitTorrent work - source link is not specified.

Their opinion is incorrect: Bittorrent was originally conceived as a separate protocol with the integration of the BTT token.: https://medium.com/tron-foundation/post-bittorrent-acquisition-letter-from-justin-sun-to-tron-employees-19afa72e2e87

If you need details:

On July 2, 2019, testnet launched: https://medium.com/tron-foundation/tron-has-officially-launched-the-btfs-testnet-d4e61048897b

Oct 1, 2019 main network launched https://tronfoundation.medium.com/btfs-mainnet-officially-launched-q3-plan-completed-4f7cb465340c

Bittorrent File System Services Monitoring https://uptime.btfs.io/ Everything works and fast.--Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 23:32, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Do you have independent reliable secondary sources? We cannot use blogs and primary sources. Retimuko (talk) 23:58, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 1.this is on the first point https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/03/bittorrent-unveils-cryptocurrency-so-users-can-pay-for-faster-download-times/
 * 2. on the second point - the bittorrent network is working in full mode, you can verify this by downloading the client on the official website. network performance is a fact.

interaction between Tron and Bittorrent is called "Project Atlas", it was presented to the public on September 27, 2018 https://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/news/exploring-of-project-atlas-tron-unveils-plans-for-bittorrent-integration/ https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/320867

One of my comments has been deleted. -- Devoke water  (talk)  01:04, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * what comment? let's restore. found your text: "The edits made by Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) have been reverted, they need to be discussed on here first, --Devokewater (talk)". restored. --Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 07:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) -- Devoke water  (talk)  09:40, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, let's make it even easier: '''In October 2019, TRON was integrated into Samsung mobile devices. Six months later, TRON became the first blockchain project to have a dedicated section in the Samsung Galaxy Store.''' Article link https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200427005229/en/Samsung-Galaxy-Store-Feature-TRON-Decentralized-Applications--Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 08:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Business Wire is a press release distributor. Hardly an independent secondary source. Retimuko (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't understand you: Samsung's new lineup with Tron on board has been on sale for a long time. It turns out I have to look for a secondary source of information to prove the existence of something that already exists https://developer.samsung.com/sdp/blog/en-us/2020/05/29/take-your-tron-dapp-to-galaxy-devices-around-the-world ? --Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 03:32, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * What is "a long time"? Wikipedia must be based on reliable secondary sources. Press release can be viewed as a promotional primary source. Retimuko (talk) 03:42, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The first Samsung with Tron installed was unveiled on Oct 30. 2019 at the developer conference https://developer.samsung.com/sdp/blog/en-us/2020/11/02/top-moments-from-previous-samsung-developer-conferences Supported Phones List https://developer.samsung.com/blockchain/keystore/keystore-sdk/resources.html Take the Galaxy Fold: Unveiled on February 20, 2019, it was released on September 6, 2019 in South Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Fold. This clamshell with TronLink wallet installed is very easy to recognize in the video - https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/1189620975320453121?s=20 . The "press release" (as you call it) was written on April 27, 2020, a full six months after the start of sales. --Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup
 * Why are you saying that my information is not verified? Didn't I throw links for you?Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 18:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) see your own talk page. Regards -- Devoke water   (talk)  19:37, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Financial Fraud in Tron + Ponzi Scheme
There appears to be an edit war with these two sections, IMHO they should stay, they both have reliable, verifiable, independent sources.

-- Devoke water  (talk)  14:52, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Why did you delete my text "Hundreds of thousands of Chinese investors lost at least $ 30 million after investing in a Ponzi scheme app hosted by criminals on the TRON platform. The victims accused the creator of the decentralized TRON platform of indifference, for which Justin Sun posted a warning on the social network Weibo. which says investors should be alert to schemes like Ponzi posing as TRON. " ?

It fully corresponds to the reality and the text of the article.

By the way, your source is not independent - the article is posted on a cryptocurrency site. The article links to the Chinese cryptocurrency site, and the articles on the Chinese site have been removed or do not exist..

--Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 21:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm not sure about the sourcing of those two financial fraud sections. It is quite dodgy. Mainly, I'm not sure if Decrypt is a RS, and for the "Financial Fraud in Tron" section a couple of those sources are questionable, and the rest barely seem to address the topic as far as I can see. So I think both sections should go.
 * That having been said, I also do not think the fluff piece introductions in the History section should stay. Business Wire distributes press releases, this one being a press release from Tron. Justin Sun meeting someone is the very definition of irrelevant here. CoinMarketCap is redistributing from CryptoPotato which does not seem like an RS to me, either. I'm probably going to remove a bunch of this content as such. Also, please could you reply to the COI question on your talk page.
 * Mostly, I think this page has went downhill since Primefac accepted this as a draft in Special:Permalink/934171135. That revision is much better. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ProcrastinatingReader (talk) I agree, lets use that revision. Regards -- Devoke water  (talk)  20:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Erroneous judgments
Assumption "The transactions per second rate on Tron's blockchain was questioned because it was far below its theoretical claim" is false. It is based on delusion, ignorance or deliberate distortion of information. The source's problem is that it judges PoS mining speed by outdated PoW mining criteria. Yes, indeed - the speed of one Tron chain is 748 TPS, but this is the speed of ONE chain. the author forgets that the main difference between PoS is the multitude of such chains. Unlike PoW, where the entire network computes one task, PoS splits tasks between chains. 2000 TPS is just the speed of three chains on the Tron blockchain, is the minimum operating speed of the Tron blockchain. At this speed, there are 15-20 TPS out of 748 per one chain. Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 06:18, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Another Indirect Scam report
What do you think of adding this info below? I dont want to add myself due to edit wars, but suggesting here for opinions and approvals:

Tron legitimized a project that pulled an exit scam, community says Expertwikiguy (talk) 17:25, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Not a reliable source. Retimuko (talk) 17:56, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The Tron community does not accuse Just of cheating, as they know how to read: WhiteList begins with a risk warning in bold. In addition, this is already in the article in the Ponzi circuit section. These are the very Chinese investors who cannot read. I understand that your task is to lower the reputation of the Tron as much as possible in view of its high competitiveness, but let's not lie and be honest. Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 03:40, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * At first I thought it was the same as Chinese Ponzi scheme, but there is no mention of it in this article, so its something different. If I am mistaken, please enlighten me. Plus I have no intention of harming TRON. This is not about TRON and not done by TRON. It's like BITCOIN is used for a lot of criminal activity, hence it gives BITCOIN a bad name. So almost the same thing here. Expertwikiguy (talk) 09:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Here I am talking about this: you even read the article you are proposing inattentively, your goal is negative. And what does Bitcoin have to do with it? You are comparing a cryptocurrency (Bitcoin) with an operating system (Tron), you can just as well compare a paper dollar with Windows 10. I don't understand at all why Tron is called "cryptocurrency" here, Tron is exactly an operating system, a sandbox for applications, the functions of a cryptocurrency are a very small part of it. This is technically illiterate. Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 10:01, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * About ponzi: criminals have placed an application on the Tron blockchain with a Ponzi scheme, posing as Tron. For a long time they deceived people, not hiding that they were a pyramid, but this did not stop greedy people. Then the criminals decided to use the Just promotion: Platform Just invited all applicants to be included in the White List, (WhiteList is the list of candidates for the next election https://sun.io/#/vote/detail?symbol=sun). To get on the list, you just had to submit documents, and then the users decided. Naturally fraudulent project failed in elections - normal users did not vote for them, as you can see from my link Huobi exchange won. Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 10:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

"China outlawed the digital tokens"
"TRON Foundation raised $70 million in 2017 through an Initial coin offering shortly before China outlawed the digital tokens[2]"

The phrase contains false information, which also contradicts the article attached as confirmation: China did not ban digital tokens, it banned ICOs. Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 09:45, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

It is also not indicated that following the announcement of the ban, Tron returned the funds raised from investors in mainland China. The article contains this information. Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 09:51, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

BitTorrent & Bram Cohen
Upon this acquisition, in August 2018, BitTorrent Founder Bram Cohen also disclosed that he was leaving the company to found Chia, an alternative to bitcoin created to be a less energy-intensive cryptocurrency.[6]

The phrase is a press release, a PR for the non-existent Chia blockchain. The scandal itself served as a fundraiser for the Chia Network Chia is still under development. --Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 03:30, 26 December 2020 (UTC)


 * How the hell can you "acquire" BitTorrent? It's a decentralized protocol. Sounds like bullshit bingo to me. 80.108.52.134 (talk) 10:27, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


 * BitTorrent, Inc. was acquired. The protocol goes on quite happily without it - David Gerard (talk) 12:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)