Talk:Tropical Storm Bertha (2020)

Track Pic
Hello there! Does anyone have a picture of the track of Hurricane Bertha? Thanks so much! CodingCyclone (talk) 18:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Someone submit it for review.
Someone submit the article for review. It looks good Destroyeraa (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Did it. Now it is accepted. Destroyeraa (talk) 15:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Over $200M damage?
There is only one source cited and it's a blog. No Reliable sources. I have searched and haven't found that number anywhere else. That number does not appear to be accurate. I think it should be removed or sourced better. 192.107.159.198 (talk) 14:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

http://thoughtleadership.aonbenfield.com//Documents/20200810_analytics-if-september-global-recap.pdf

This says that bertha's damage was over $200 million, but the article says only about $130,000. Which one is it. Hurricanehuron33 (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ThoughtLeadership is not a reliable source. It is $130 thousand. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  10:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Then why is it used so much? Hurricanehuron33 (talk) 13:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It used to be used a lot, but then the TCR came out. Look at it for the (official) damage. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  10:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * They are both reliable sources, so this is tricky. In this case, the $130,000 is from NCDC. Because the TCR didn't say anything about there being significant damage (and $200M is a lot, $25M is usually the cutoff for them), we should probably go with the NCDC report. However, the NCDC is a case of adding up damage totals (WP:CALC), while the other source explicitly credits Bertha to the $200M. I hope there'll be some clarity in the post-season, when we usually get individual damage totals, like some report on the 10 US landfalling storms. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:00, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 200 million is overkill. Anyway, this article needs to be expanded and cleaned up so it can be Ga within three months.~ Destroyeraa 🌀 16:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * $200 million is overkill but $130,000 seems low. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 16:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

GA Review
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Reviewer: Destroyeraa (talk · contribs) 00:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Hink,

So you've reviewed Dolores and peer-reviewed Barry along with Noah. I've learned many things about reviewing from you and Noah, and I hope I will give an adequate review. This is only my second review whatsoever, so I ask to give a second review for anything I missed.
 * Is it ok if I can help? I might do some of these while Hink does other things, such as FL hurricanes. I like   hurricanes  03:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure! ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 14:30, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the lead on this! ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk )  23:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Lede
✅ I like   hurricanes  19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC) ✅ I like   hurricanes  19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC) ✅ I like   hurricanes  19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Link Eastern United States.
 * The National Hurricane Center (NHC) did not anticipate development - yes they did. They anticipated "slight" development.
 * emerged into the western Atlantic Ocean → I believe it is the Sargasso Sea.
 * I removed this. There's no evidence Bertha actually made it to the Sargasso Sea, which is bound by the Gulf Stream on the western side (and not the coast of the US). ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, but for the GTWO - the Date needs to be put. Or else the title is the same for every single one. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 16:40, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The title can be the same, as the authors are different. Unless there's some policy I'm not aware of. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

✅ I like   hurricanes  19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC) ✅ I like   hurricanes  19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC) . Not sure if what I put is better or not. I like  hurricanes  19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That day, Tropical Storm Bertha formed east of Georgia → "That day, the disturbance consolidated into Tropical Storm Bertha east of Georgia". The current wording sound weird.
 * The storm and its precursor disturbance caused moderate flooding and flash flooding in southern Florida → "moderate flooding and flash flooding" is redundant. Remove "moderate flooding" and replace it with something else.
 * Also in the state, the storm's remnants produced a brief tornado. This also sounds weird.
 * I reworded it, mentioning it moving into NC at the start of the sentence. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I just want to over my $0.02. We mention too much about the SpaceX launch. There isn't even a mention of how short the storm was. I'd at least want to see that.(And I did not make the comments above the line. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 16:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Already mentions it was a short-lived storm, and this is for the lede, where they only put a sentence for the disruption of the SpaceX launch. I like   hurricanes  19:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

MH
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 * Tropical Storm Bertha originated from a trough, or elongated low pressure area, that developed in the southeastern Gulf of Mexico on May 24. This is redundant. We know from the lede that it did. Try something like A trough, or an elongated low pressure area, developed in the southeastern Gulf of Mexico on May 24.
 * The weather system → The system. Redundant again.
 * was associated with an upper-level disturbance. Where in relation to the trough? To the north, south, east, west?
 * The National Hurricane Center (NHC) → since you already mention the abbreviation in the lede, just The NHC is fine.
 * Put By that time, the trough extended across southern Florida into the western Atlantic Ocean, producing a widespread area of thunderstorms. ahead of The National Hurricane Center (NHC) first mentioned the system in a special tropical weather outlook on May 25, assessing a 20% chance for tropical cyclone development, due to expected strong wind shear, the proximity to land, and dry air. Since you were already talking about the trough, and remove By that time if you do move the sentence.
 * Add Subsequently before  The NHC increased the system's development potential to 30% before it was expected to move inland. and remove before it was expected to move inland.
 * Early on May 27, the system developed a well-defined center underneath an area of organized thunderstorms. The NHC estimated that the system developed into Tropical Storm Bertha at 06:00 UTC that day while located about 140 mi (225 km) east of Savannah, Georgia.[1] This was confirmed by an offshore buoy recording tropical storm-force winds.[5] Put the third sentence ("This was confirmed...") before the second sentence ("The NHC estimated...") since the source says it was before the system developed. Also, replace "this was confirmed" with "In addition,".
 * After you're finished with the above, place this sentence: At 12:30 UTC, the NHC initiated advisories on Bertha in real time,[6] just after  The NHC estimated that the system developed into Tropical Storm Bertha at 06:00 UTC that day while located about 140 mi (225 km) east of Savannah, Georgia.[1] and change "At 12:30 UTC, the NHC initiated advisories on Bertha in real time,[6]" to "Operationally, it was not until 12:30 UTC that the NHC had initiated advisories on Bertha.[6]"
 * I know this is a lot of work with the moving sentences and stuff, but it should be done to improve flow.
 * by which time the storm had reached peak winds of 50 mph (85 km/h); this was based on observations from buoys and the storm's well-defined curved rainbands near the center. → At 12:00 UTC, the storm reached its peak intensity with winds of 50 mph (85 km/h) and a pressure of 1005 mbar (29.68 inHg); this was based on observations from buoys and the storm's well-defined curved rainbands near the center.
 * Upon its formation, Bertha was moving northwestward around the western side of a ridge over the western Atlantic.[6] Move this up a few sentences to after "Upon its formation, Bertha was moving northwestward around the western side of a ridge over the western Atlantic.[6]" once you complete the above.
 * Huh? I like   hurricanes  01:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed it for you (and Hink). My bad, I copied-and-pasted the wrong thing above. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 14:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * About an hour after the NHC began issuing advisories, Bertha made landfall... There's an exact time for this.
 * The circulation → The depression

Lots of work needed too.~ Destroyeraa 🌀 23:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Is it fine now? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Preparations
✅ per Hink. I like  hurricanes  03:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This section is too short. I suggest merging it with the impacts section. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 14:13, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Very small bit of detail, but one of the few sporting events in the country, the 2020 Alsco Uniforms 500 was postponed one day because of the storm. It could probably be added to the preparations section. Nova Crystallis   (Talk)  01:27, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Is there a source? Looked on the article page, and the source only talks about moving the event to Charlotte, not postponing it. I like   hurricanes  02:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Here. Nova Crystallis   (Talk)  02:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

✅ I like   hurricanes  03:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Florida

 * Change The precursor disturbance to Tropical Storm Bertha caused a significant, multi-day rainfall event across South Florida, with accumulations of 8–10 in (200–250 mm) across several locations, and with a maximum 72-hour accumulation of 14.19 in (360 mm) in Miami. to The precursor disturbance to Bertha Storm Tropical generated a significant, multi-day rainfall event across South Florida. Accumulations of 8–10 in (200–250 mm) were reported over several locations, and a maximum 72-hour accumulation of 14.19 in (360 mm) was recorded in Miami.
 * I disagree with the wording of "Bertha Storm Tropical". How's:
 * "The precursor disturbance to Tropical Storm Bertha caused a significant, multi-day rainfall event across South Florida, reaching 8 – across several locations. The peak 72–hour accumulation was 14.19 in, recorded in Miami."
 * That's fine. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 16:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The precursor disturbance spawned an EF1 tornado in Aladdin City, which produced winds of 90 mph (140 km/h) and was on the ground for 4.83 mi (7.77 km). Change Aladdin City to Aladdin.
 * Why? The place is known as Aladdin City. It would be like calling Atlantic City just Atlantic. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ignore that.~ Destroyeraa 🌀 16:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thunderstorms associated with the storm produced 1 in (25 mm) hail near Wellington, as well as wind gusts estimated up to 65 mph (105 km/h). → ''Thunderstorms produced hail up to 1 in (25 mm) in diameter near Wellington, as well as wind gusts up to 65 mph (105 hm/h).
 * Done ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Unsettled weather related to Bertha forced the cancellation of the planned Crew Dragon Demo-2 launch on May 27 from Cape Canaveral.[21] The mission was launched three days later. Why's this sentence all by itself?
 * Merged w previous paragraph. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Carolinas
✅ I like  hurricanes  16:57, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Change warned for to warned of.

Elsewhere
This section needs expansion. I know there was some kind of impact in Pennsylvania, Ohio, maybe Kentucky and New Jersey. Canada possible too. Try NCDC. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 16:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * NCDC didn't have anything that explicitly linked PA/OH/KY/NJ impacts to Bertha. The low dissipated over West Virginia into an approaching trough, and it would be a bit of a stretch linking those events to Bertha without any other sources. Ordinarily, there would be a rainfall map from the WPC, which I suspect will eventually come out, but given how busy the season was, it might take some time. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:37, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The are impacts. The reviewer should look for them, as I learned from Barry. NCDC isn't the only source. This section is way too small and I will not pass unless it's expanded. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 15:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I added Ohio, and I also found a bit for western PA. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:59, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Final
Is there anything else ? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Make sure all images have alt text.~ Destroyeraa 🌀 17:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not a requirement for GAN, but I added it anyway. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Well we all want to bring these articles to FA class, right? Alt text is a requirement for FA, I believe, as Noah told me. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 17:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I was only planning for GA. Thanks for the review though! ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Happy to help. Also, got a taste of what it's like to be in a GA review, it's good to have the bunch of editors we got this summer to experience the process. Anyway, I knew you were only planning for GA, but eventually this article may be nominated for FA, and adding some FA tidbits such as the alt text will help speed up the process Hink. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 17:40, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


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Source question in MH
What is the source for the statement ? The TCR is cited, but the report only states that formation occurred by 06:00 UTC May 27, when the system was  and separately, in a table, gives the coordinates as. Drdpw (talk) 22:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)