Talk:Tropical Storm Gamma (2005)

Good article
This is a nice article. It should be retained. --EMS | Talk 05:50, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Being "nice" is not a good reason to keep an article. This can, and should, be merged back into the main article. NSLE  ( 讨论 + extra ) 05:51, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * This getting downright stupid. Enough subpages. This storm is not notable. Say it with me: N-O-T N-O-T-A-B-L-E. See my post on the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. I strongly support the merge. Cindy needs to go too. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 06:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you call them "subpages", I would say "separate article". A subpage is something that is after a slash, like user subpages. You contradict yourself with every post. First you say on one talk page that the article shouldn't be there because of length issues, and now it's notability. or is it both? for me it's IMPACT. If a storm kills 30 people like this one, it should automatically get it's own article. end of story. --Revolución (talk) 21:51, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I've been wavering on the issue, but I am starting to think all subpages should be kept, and once the final reports from the NHC come in, we will have enough information to finish them off and do those of the least notable storms (i.e. Franklin, Harvey, Lee, Philippe, the tropical depressions). My vote now is Keep. CrazyC83 06:49, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Strongly oppose the merge, per my argument on the same talk page: that page is too bloated, it needs to be split. Tito xd (?!?) 06:41, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. Pretty well-done article; it has way too much info to be reasonably merged in. Jdorje 07:40, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

For now, my vote is Keep, per CrazyC83. Once the final NHC reports come in, we can merge any storms the Wiki community considers "non-notable." For now, it's notable because it is a record 24th storm, and a deadly one at that. Briguy52748 18:15, 23 November 2005 (UTC)]]


 * Strongly oppose merge. It's like (but not on the same scale) of suggesting we should merge all U.S. Presidents pages into one article, and the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season page is much too long as is. -- tomf688 {talk} 21:07, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep this killed much more people than Alpha, so is more notable. --Revolución (talk) 21:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Keep Even though Alpha was the first Tropical Storm to use the Greek alphabet. This storm caused more damage and killed more people.--24.83.117.65 00:55, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


 * That makes the SEASON notable, not the storm. NSLE  ( 讨论 + extra ) 01:04, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The amount of content that we have on this article is enough to warrant separation from the season article. Tito xd (?!?) 01:22, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I strongly support keeping this. There is no way all of this can be put back into the season's article. Rangeley 02:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Strong Merge. Now "Having death count over 10" is a reason to create a separate article? This storm is not remarkable enough. I think suddenly people became overly hurricane enthusiasts because the Atlantic season finally broke the '33 record. But apart from this, there are many November storms like this one that don't have their own article. nihil 09:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I abstain from the merge debate. However I think that only Tropical Storm Alpha and whatever is the last tropical storm of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season are in and of themselves notable because they are respectively, the first storm to exhaust a name list, and the last storm of an exceptional season. (at the moment this appears to be Hurricane Delta) 132.205.44.134 04:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Strong Keep. The more information we can provide on specific storms, the better. I get excited every time I see another page go up. Good work guys.165.234.109.158 14:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Death Toll
Didn't two people die in a Gamma-related plane crash in Belize? -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 06:04, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Three people did. Those would count as indirect deaths. CrazyC83 06:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Image
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gamma_2015z_051118.jpg Somehow the French Wikipedia has an image on Tropical Storm Gamma... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.117.65 (talk • contribs)


 * Not a very good image, let's try to get one at maximum intensity, and not as focused on a different continent. NSLE  ( 讨论 + extra  CVU ) 05:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

That is not South America. That is Central America slightly tilted. That big mass of clouds over "South AMerica" is actually Gamma north of the HOnduras.Ice 22:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well you could go straight to the source: NCDC. Jdorje 22:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Todo
Impact photos, references, better wikification (some terms aren't linked at all), better organization of naming/records sections (right now they are a bit dangling). Jdorje 05:41, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

GA status?
What should be needed for GA? íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 15:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Longer intro, better infobox pic, inline sources, impact section in chronological order, an intro to the impact section, naming and records can be combined, and preparations/aftermath. Here's a list of news stories that should be added to the article.
 * http://wwwnotes.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/vLND/D3D179843A1E7AF8492570C100025913?OpenDocument&StartKey=Honduras:+Tropical+Storm+Gamma+-+Nov+2005&ExpandView
 * http://wwwnotes.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/vLND/d3d179843a1e7af8492570c100025913?OpenDocument&Start=622.29&ExpandView
 * One more thing. You should find out the exact death toll, and find out the status with the missing people. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's another pic if anyone wants to work this one in. WindRunner 15:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

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 * "tcr" :
 * htt;"//www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL282005_Gamma.pdf
 * http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL282005_Gamma.pdf
 * Fixed.  Plasticup  T / C  11:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Sources, info, things to be worked in

 * "Tropical storm warnings were issued for the coasts of Belize, southern Mexico and Honduras' Bay Islands." . Should find the original NHC warnings, include them. This also suggests prep in Belize and Mexico, even if there was no Impact/Aftermath.  Plasticup  T / C  13:39, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done  Plasticup  T / C  14:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Needs pictures. Especially the impact section. There are a few in google images - need to check copyright. Also, one on flickr - maybe we can persuade the person to release copyright.  Plasticup  T / C  14:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ask Mitchazenia if you want someone to possibly change copyright status on flikr, he's been able to do it for me before. Also, welcome back, good to see you editing again :) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Preparations
USA (always easy to find, even if the storm never reached it): Honduras: Belize: Mexico:  Plasticup  T / C  23:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Everglades National Park, equipment secured and parks closed to the public. m:Talk:Spam_blacklist
 * South Florida "still tattooed with blue tarps, still filled with dangerous piles of debris, still shaken by the most active hurricane season in history".
 * Included
 * Minimal
 * None

Impact
Honduras: Belize:
 * ReliefWeb, Nov 21: communities cut off, destroyed 48 homes, damaged 264 and forced more than 11,000 people to evacuate. More than 50,000 people were cut off as bridges were damaged or destroyed, leaving several cities and towns isolated.
 * Same doc as above. 3 dead in small plane crash - blamed on weather
 * Our Article says: The deaths of two fishermen in Jamaica were reported to be blamed on Gamma. - the reference was to a temporary splash page, which updates daily. I don't know the original source, and so far can't find a different corroborating one.
 * Removed  Plasticup  T / C  19:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

 Plasticup  T / C  23:39, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Aftermath
Honduras:
 * red cross shelters, delivery of 22,259 tons of food for 1,350 families, as well as hygiene kits, blankets and other humanitarian aid
 * 22,000 tons for 1350 families? That is 16 tons per family - obviously a typo. Other info has been worked in though.  Plasticup  T / C  22:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

 Plasticup  T / C  11:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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