Talk:Tropical Storm Hernan (2020)/GA1

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Reviewer: Hurricane Noah (talk · contribs) 11:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I will start this and immediately place it on hold until it is ready to be reviewed per recommendation off-wiki. However, that means I can't make major changes to the article. Please see the talkpage for links for sources. Take as long as you need to fix up the article and then the review can commence here. Consider the article on hold indefinitely.Noah Talk 11:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Lead

 * Why are there refs throughout the lead? We usually don't source things that are in the body already. Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry, I'll relocate them. JoeMT615 (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Link Tropical cyclone on its first occurrence. Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * below-average Unsourced and not really needed. Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ (Removed) JoeMT615 (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * thirteenth tropical cyclone and eighth named storm of the below-average 2020 Pacific hurricane season, Add an EPAC HURDAT template at the end as a source. Split this sentence off to say something like "Hernan was the thirteenth tropical cyclone and eighth named storm of the 2020 Pacific hurricane season". Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm having trouble finding the database info updated from last year, could you help on that? JoeMT615 (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It won't update until all the 2020 storms have been revised. I would just go ahead and add it so it is there. Noah Talk 20:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, added existing one. ✅ JoeMT615 (talk) 02:39, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * On named storm, link tropical cyclone naming. Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hernan developed from a low-pressure area southwest of Mexico on August 26 as Tropical Depression Thirteen-E. --> "A tropical depression formed from a low-pressure area that was located southwest of Mexico on August 26" Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, upon inspection of the TCR during the met review, it never was a tropical depression, so the above should state a tropical storm instead of a tropical depression. Please remove anything related to it later developing into a tropical storm. Noah Talk 22:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅; I did keep mention of Thirteen-E forming in the met history but made it clear that was an operational error and it was already a tropical storm. JoeMT615 (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅; I did keep mention of Thirteen-E forming in the met history but made it clear that was an operational error and it was already a tropical storm. JoeMT615 (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Link low-pressure area. Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * twelve hours after formation. --> 12 hours later. Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Located within a high wind shear environment, Hernan barely strengthened and achieved peak intensity at 3:00 UTC on August 27 with 45 mph winds and a minimum barometric pressure of 1001 millibars. I'm going to have this split off into two sentences since there is a lot here. Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "A high wind shear environment hindered the intensification of the system." Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Link Wind shear Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hernan peaked around 06:00 UTC on August 27 with winds of 45 mph (75 km/h) and a pressure of 1001 mbar. Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Make sure to link Coordinated Universal Time and include metric units for our non-United States friends. Also, inches of mercury should be included for pressure. Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hernan peaked around 06:00 UTC on August 27 with winds of 45 mph (75 km/h) and a pressure of 1001 mbar. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Make sure to link Coordinated Universal Time and include metric units for our non-United States friends. Also, inches of mercury should be included for pressure. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Make sure to link Coordinated Universal Time and include metric units for our non-United States friends. Also, inches of mercury should be included for pressure. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Make sure to link Coordinated Universal Time and include metric units for our non-United States friends. Also, inches of mercury should be included for pressure. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Passing just offshore Mexico Could you be a bit more specific? Like a state? Mexico is a big place. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * and made landfall on the Baja California Peninsula on August 28, dissipating shortly thereafter It didn't make any landfalls. It did dissipate on August 28 though. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * What direction(s) was it traveling in during the two days prior? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ (Added generally north, since it turned from northeast to north) JoeMT615 (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

To be fair, the NHC did state in Hernan's discussions that they didn't issue warnings because of its small size. Should I link that? JoeMT615 (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Although Hernan was located in very close proximity to Southwestern Mexico, its small size prevented the issuance of tropical storm watches or warnings in nearby coastal areas. This is WP:OR and making assumptions as to why the warnings were not issued. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * What's OR is prevented. I would eliminate the whole thing since the TCR states they should have issued TS warnings for other portions of the coast in retrospect. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 20:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅, fair enough. I'll simply put in the impact section that no prior warnings were issued by the NHC to avoid OR. JoeMT615 (talk) 02:39, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Despite Hernan's short existence, it dropped between 5-9 inches of rainfall across six states of western Mexico. It would be better to highlight the much larger amounts I provided in that rainfall map (in a general manner of course). Make sure to use the en dash (–) for ranges rather than a hyphen (-). Use the conversion template to convert to millimeters and make sure to add abbr=on for abbreviations. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * there were homes and streets damaged and covered in mud --> homes and streets were damaged and covered in mud. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Nearly 20,000 people and over 600 homes and nine schools were affected by the storm in Jalisco. Affected is a very vague term that can mean just about anything. Is there a more specific one? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Jalisco officials reported a fatality when a man fell off his roof checking damages from Hernan. --> In Jalisco, a man fell off his roof and died while inspecting it for damage following the storm. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * It was reported that Cut this part out. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Its effects in other Mexican states varied in severity. Much too little detail as this could range from leaves ripped off trees to flooded buildings and damaged rooves. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I just broke it off there, felt like the record Hernan set was a good place to leave off at. JoeMT615 (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

a high wind shear environment hindered the system. Hernan barely strengthened I would move the strenthening part to the previous sentence to make it clear what the wind shear hindered. Then just say Hernan peaked with X. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Passing just offshore the state of Jalisco, Hernan turned west and degenerated to a remnant low on August 28, passing near the Baja California Peninsula a couple hours later and dissipating shortly thereafter. I dont like two passings in the same sentence. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Despite Hernan's short existence, it dropped over 11 inches across many areas of southwestern Mexico, with accumulation peaking at 23.24 inches in Jalisco. 11 inches of what? Metric conversions? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * had to be shut down --> were shut down <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * sorry, don't know how I missed that. Jay  Tee🐦  20:32, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * were damaged as well and covered in mud it works better without the "as well". <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Nearly 20,000 people and over 600 homes and nine schools --> Nearly 20,000 people, over 600 homes, and nine schools <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A man in the state In that state, a man... <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hernan broke the record for the largest 24-hour accumulation of rainfall on record in Jalicso remove the struck part. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * 475.8 liters (16.2 cubic feet) Add "disp=flip" to the conversion template. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * How would I type that one? Jay  Tee🐦  20:32, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Meteorological history

 * The NHC first noted the potential What's the NHC? You need to state National Hurricane Center (NHC) on its first occurrence and link it. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * area of low pressure Link to low-pressure area. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * form off the coast of Mexico on August 17 Which coast? Was the NHC stating the storm was going to form on August 17 or did they first begin issuing forecasts for future development on that date? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * from the area Superfluous. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * its formation chances were gradually increased by the NHC, and on August 20, a broad area of low pressure developed Genevieve or the system? I would remove the struck text as it is important to tell the story of the storm, not the agency. Where did said system develop? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The disturbance at first showed little signs of development because of its large size and easterly wind shear; it only began to show signs of organized convection on August 24. I would say something like: "Easterly wind shear and the disturbance's large size inhibited its development initially; atmospheric convection began to increase on August 24". Make sure to link wind shear#vertical component and atmospheric convection. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It may be worth mentioning the Madden-Julian Oscillation and the monsoon trough from the TCR. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:54, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Finally, at 9:00 UTC on August 26, the system had enough well defined deep convection just west of the center to be designated as a tropical depression, the season's thirteenth. It never was a tropical depression according to the TCR. Make sure times match up to what the TCR has. You also need to vary verbiage a bit as you appear to be paraphrasing too close to the source. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:20, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe the TCR mentions how far the storm was from Cabo Corrientes and direction when it formed. Please add that in. Make sure to convert from nautical miles to statute miles and kilometers. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:20, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * However, it was discovered in post-season analysis that the storm was already producing tropical-storm-force winds at that time. This is not of much importance as changes like this happen frequently. We write the articles based upon what the TCR has and only note post-season changes if they are of major importance. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:54, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The NHC noted the system was facing strong easterly wind shear, was located on the eastern side of a broad monsoon gyre, and was slightly elongated from northeast to southwest. Lots of issues with this sentence. You are trying to cram too much information into it. You need to split these off. None of this is supported in the source you have there (discussion 3). It is supported by discussion 1 however. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:54, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * This still isnt done. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The NHC noted the system was facing strong easterly wind shear Same thing as the sentences above... the storm, not the agency. Also, the tone is unencyclopedic here with facing. You should be able to combine the shear portion and the elongation bit to make one sentence. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:54, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Not done yet. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, finally got it ✅. Jay  Tee🐦  18:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You should use the monsoon portion you mention here and combine it with what the TCR says about the westerly flow (associated with the gyre/trough) steering the cyclone eastward at genesis and later northward. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:54, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Not done yet. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Also finally ✅. Jay  Tee🐦  18:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Nevertheless, despite the system's poor satellite presentation, tropical storm-force winds were detected to its southwest, and the system was upgraded a tropical storm, receiving the name Hernan This is rather moot since the NHC found the storm to have already been a TS before that time. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:20, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A strong burst of convection developed southwest of Hernan's center, and it intensified slightly, reaching its peak intensity with 45 mph winds and a minimum barometric pressure of 1,001 millibars early on August 27 The bolded portion is not supported by the TCR, but discussion 5 supports it. Your text here is too close to the source again. Too much info in one sentence. I would say something like "Cloud tops south and west Hernan's center cooled to -83 to -86 C as convection increased, allowing the cyclone to strengthen slightly. Hernan peaked at 06:00 UTC on August 27 with maximum sustained winds of 45 mph and a minimum barometric pressure of 1,001 mbar." <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:20, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * For the italics on my correction, please convert mph to km/h for our metric friends. Convert the millibars to inches of mercury using the conversion template. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:20, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hernan remained strongly sheared as it moved northeast and then northward, This is rather late. The TCR shows it moving north-northwestward after the peak. I would mention the very close proximity to Cabo Corrientes and Las Islas Marias with the directional change I mentioned. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:20, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hernan remained strongly sheared as it moved northeast and then northward, with most of its convection confined to the south and west of its center, causing it to weaken back to a minimal storm. This can be more concise and less towards the source. --> "Continuous wind shear caused Hernan to weaken, restricting convection to the southern and western confines of the storm's center." <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hernan managed to retain a well-defined center and tropical-storm-force winds until 6:00 UTC on August 28 this is mostly copied directly from the TCR with some differences that change the meaning of the text. I would remove this entirely. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Around this time, Hernan moved over the Gulf of California and turned west, with most of its convection dissipating, and the system was downgraded to a tropical depression at 12:00 UTC the same day. Too much for one sentence and this lacks some explanation. Split the directional change and the decay/downgrade into two sentences. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Around this time, Hernan moved over the Gulf of California and turned west Why did it turn west? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * with most of its convection dissipating, and the system was downgraded to a tropical depression at 12:00 UTC the same day. This portion should become its own sentence and be fixed up according to prior corrections. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hernan degenerated into a broad low pressure area Too close to the source. You should be using the TCR for this portion anyways. Say something like "Hernan weakened a remnant low six hours later." <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * and crossed the coast line of Baja California Sur shortly afterward. This never happened. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The remnants of Hernan continued moving around a broad monsoonal circulation that contained Tropical Storm Iselle, which absorbed Hernan's remnants by 00:00 UTC on August 29. Too close to the source. Please change the wording so that is different from that of the source. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Last thing is that this needs to be split into two paragraphs. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ with all of them JoeMT615 (talk) 18:05, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 9:00 UTC Should be 06:00 and there needs to be a link to coordinated universal time. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jay  Tee🐦  23:42, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Tropical Storm Iselle to the south --> Tropical Storm Iselle, which was located to the south. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jay  Tee🐦  23:42, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Impact
(although the agency did note post-season that warnings should've been issued) Not worth mentioning this part in the article. Also, it is factually incorrect to say "by the NHC" with the warnings. The NHC can't issue warnings outside the United States. I would just delete that tidbit as well. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ and fixed. Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The name Hernan was respelled as the more common Hernán in most Mexican news reports.[11] This is trivial and happens with almost every storm. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ and removed. Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Links for federal highways. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The impact overall still seems rather small/vague in some areas given the claims mentioned. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I looked as far as I could, but I think the fact of the matter is that Hernan affected a lot of remote coastal communities, and cities saw less impact, which explains why there wasn't as significant coverage as there would've been if Hernan was stronger and brought more serious impact to well-built urban areas as opposed to the shabby rural parts of Mexico.. Plus, I feel the article could use some pictures to better convey what words did, as there are many that demonstrated Hernan's impact and destruction. I found some from Jalisco's government, would those be available for free use, like the NHC's, or do you think they'd be copyrighted? Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Mexico copyrights all its content. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 20:25, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Jalisco

 * "high risk" Why is this in quotation marks? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Since it's a term specifically used by the SMN. Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * It was reported that at least 19,968 people were affected by Hernan in the state. Affected could mean a lot of things. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ and re-worded to be more specific. Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * due to the tropical storm You can cut this out. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * 250 homes affected, while the southeastern municipality La Huerta experienced 228 affected homes Again, affected is too vague. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ and re-worded again Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Add "Disp=flip" to every conversion template where metric is listed first. Check for this in other sections too. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In braces, brackets, or some other form? Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * two meters Conversion? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * liters of water Conversion for whatever 1 liter is? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * For that many people it was probably thousands of liters, so I could put gallons in parentheses, but that seems off to me. Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Colima
✅ Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC) ✅ and replaced to make more specific. Jay Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * considered to be delete this. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Many homes, businesses, and streets were covered in mud Many is quite vague. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * This seems to be quite small and vague for the worst-hit municipality. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Good point, that may have just been a writer's opinion. If anything, from my research, Jalisco and its coastal municipalities was definitely harder hit. Will delete. Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Guerrero
✅ Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You never say what the ITCZ is. It should be linked and not abbreviated for the first usage. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A total of 211 people were evacuated to six shelters. Unsourced. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ and fixed. Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Elsewhere

 * Links for turtle species. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The state of Sinaloa reported "intense punctual rains",[32] and flooding, hail, minor mudslides, and debris were reported in the south of the state, in addition to that reported in other western Mexican states This is rather clunky. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ and adjusted. Jay  Tee🐦  23:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Aside from my question about pictures, is there anything else needed to be done for a pass, Noah? Jay  Tee🐦  20:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have been taking a look at Tropical Cyclone, which is about to be FARCed, to find what I can fix up now. The additional comments I left for the lead are unresolved. In addition, two other things of note below. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 20:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand, just wanted to check. And those just a minute ago, I noticed after I typed the previous message.  Jay  Tee🐦  20:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * southeastern municipality La Huerta of La Huerta. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 20:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jay  Tee🐦  20:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * You still need to flip the display for conversions so the US units are listed first. It has to be consistent throughout the article. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 20:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jay  Tee🐦  20:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC)