Talk:Tropical Storm Podul (2013)

Is Podul the same storm as Cyclonic Storm Helen?
From what other users have told me, Podul entered the Bay of Bengal from the coast of Myanmar late on November 17. I even saw this on satellite imagery, even though it was hard to identify the remnants. Coincidentally, a tropical cyclone developed within the Indian Ocean on November 19, not very far from where I last spotted Podul's remnants, and the timespan is reasonable enough to conclude that Podul and Helen are one and the same. However, the IMD did not include the system's (if any) JMA name within its bulletins, and unlike Wilma (BOB 05), they didn't monitor the system immediately, rather, they waited until a couple of days after its emergence in the Bay of Bengal. Another problem is that I can't find a link to wherever it is these users are getting their sources, and they didn't really provide any links with any conclusive evidence. Also, the IPs are adding stuff about Podul and Helen being the same, although they all failed to provide a source.
 * With these difficulties in mind, I would really like to know whether these 2 storms really are the same system. I think that we should settle this here, to end any possible edit conflicts and additional WP:OR from being added to the articles of the storms in question. If the storms really are the same, please provide a link. If not, please provide some proof here so that we may end this controversy. LightandDark2000 (talk) 02:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Combining the two is WP:OR as no agency connects the systems. That said, looking at images myself, Podul entirely dissipated as it emerged off Myanmar and remnant energy contributed to the formation of a new low pressure near the Andaman Islands. With that, Podul and Helen are separate tropical cyclones. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:19, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you please provide a link, if any? I would love to use it to cite the storms' differences, despite their relation. LightandDark2000 (talk) 02:26, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sadly I'm not a meteorologist myself and can't provide a source for you :P Just my opinion from looking at satellite images (which we can't use to source information). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Formation date?
There appears to be an edit war over the formation date. Throughout the project, we use whatever the official starting date is from the RSMC. In the WPAC, that is the JMA. In the event it is only PAGASA, then of course we would only use their dates. But when a storm is properly recognized by the official warning center, we use their dates. That is a project standard. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:33, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed espically since PAGASA themselves are kinda using the 11th in their track maps.Jason Rees (talk) 16:44, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

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