Talk:Tropical and subtropical moist broadleaf forests

Comment on merger
I am not sure what to merge it with. I agree with previous comments that the title is pretty near useless or worse. Remove the title and the text doesn't uniquely fit anywhere. I say split or duplicate the text as good sense dictates, among Forest and Tropical forest and any other articles that are sensibly related. It is small anyway, so it should not be difficult. It is an important topic alright, hundreds of links. JonRichfield (talk) 14:03, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Well, you would think that after 600+ edits over 9 years, this article would be much further along than it is... but while the title might be considered to be "useless" to some readers, "tropical and subtropical moist broadleaf forest" (TSMF) is a significant term that is globally recognized within the scientific community.  All of the previous comments in opposition to merging this article (going back many years) still apply today. All rainforests are not TSMF's, nor can all TSMF's be called rainforests.  Likewise, not all TSMF's are tropical forests, nor are all tropical forests wet.


 * Please examine again the article's image (reproduced at right), and see also Holdridge life zones, as this is the key to understanding that TSMF is a broader biome description, which covers more than just rain forests. In fact, it encompasses several of the 38 classes of ecosystems as used by the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA).  Wikipedia doesn't (yet) do a good job of explaining it, but TSMF includes, among others:


 * tropical rainforests (but not warm- or cool- temperate rainforests)
 * subtropical rainforests
 * wet and moist montane forests (the highest elevations of which are cloud forests)
 * freshwater swamp forests
 * peat swamp forests
 * Moist deciduous forests


 * tropical wet forests
 * tropical moist forests
 * subtropical wet forests
 * subtropical moist forests
 * semi-evergreen seasonal forests


 * Yes, there are indeed differences between each of the above, and only two of them are rainforests. Ideally, each of the unlinked terms above might someday get their own page, but until then, they point here (or at least they should).  To redirect them all to rainforest or to tropical forest (a term which which includes  tropical dry broadleaf forests and tropical coniferous forests, by the way) would certainly not be in anyone's best interest.  And seriously, forest?  We might as well just redirect all of these pages to Earth, and leave it at that.   Groll &tau;ech  ( talk ) 00:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Grolltech - it is up to us to create pages for sub-categories of tropical forests - which is forwarded here. I propose to set-up 'Tropical mixed forest' - which I understand to be an appropriate term for "Moist deciduous and semi-evergreen seasonal forests" in Viet Nam & Thailand. Roy Bateman (talk) 20:49, 3 September 2015 and 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Judging from numbers of papers etc., I now think we need "seasonal tropical forest" ... Google searches reveal: Roy Bateman (talk) 14:53, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "tropical mixed forest" - 2,060 results
 * "seasonal tropical forest" - 13,200 results with About 537,000 results for key words in 'Scholarly articles'
 * "monsoon forest" - 84,800 results, but low ranking with Scholarly articles and emphasis on India

Holdridge life zone graphic?
The graphic that shows where in the Holdridge Life Zone classification this biome lies could be improper synthesis of sources. As far as I can tell, this biome was defined by the WWF. What sources do we have that shows that this biome maps to the area shown in the Holdridge diagram? If there are other definitions of the biome, adding material and references to the article are more than welcome! —hike395 (talk) 14:59, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Page move
I undid 's undiscussed page move. I don't believe it's correct, per sources. Guettarda (talk) 13:10, 29 February 2020 (UTC)