Talk:Tropical cyclones in India

Cleanup
, apparently I just found this article when I'm quick-recreating an article for 1971 Odisha cyclone (a requested article - remember - and it was created by the creator of Narendra Modi's wife article), and I honestly think this should be rewritten. Something is wrong. TBH, this article might either be AfD'ed or just move into the draft space despite being years old now.  SMB9 9thx   my edits  06:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I can do this once I get some other things done (such as Central America), though I would put it in draft space. Also, these places are not very common, so I'm going to have to learn some Indian provinces like I know Haitian cities. I like hurricanes (talk) 12:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you!  SMB9 9thx   my edits  12:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It doesnt need sending to draft space or AFDing - it just needs some work/love to bring it up to scratch and now is a good time since Climate of India (A parent article) is up for an FAR.Jason Rees (talk) 13:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Yea, the article is fine for now. It's a similar structure to Sri Lanka and Myanmar. It's not perfect, but it's decent for now. Ideally it would be listed by year (instead of by state), and it would go back beyond 1990. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:23, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Should we use Amphan 2020's picture, or keep Odisha 99's picture? Amphan was more costlier, but Odisha 1999 was the strongest and most intense storm to ever hit India as a whole and MUCH deadlier than Amphan. I know that Odisha would probably be a better storm to haves its picture up here, but today, I would think they would be expecting Amphan. Cyclone   Toby  00:29, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I agree with Amphan.  SMB9 9thx   my edits!  00:42, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see why you couldn't use both if this article was developed properly.Jason Rees (talk) 02:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * hmm.. good point...  Cyclone   Toby  03:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

As I said before, the list should go by year. We could have a lot more pics then (without listing pics for every single storm). ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I agree with Hurricanehink.SovietCyclone (talk) 04:19, 12 December 2020 (UTC) To fix this article, you can take help of Beraniladri19 Dam222 🌋 (talk) 07:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm too busy to fix up, still fixing 2020–21 South Pacific cyclone season. You can ask HurricaneEdgar for help. Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 (talk) 18:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * meh. I'm probably just gonna do it as it was before but by year instead of state with some small adjustments before I go back to editing other things.stay safe, Cyclone   Toby  14:13, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1999 Odisha cyclone??? Dam222 🌋 (talk) 17:14, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna do 2000s, and then probably 1990s, maybe 1980s before going to other things. Stay safe, Cyclone   Toby  17:53, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Can you write the article out as prose, instead of having it in a table? Check out List of Arabian Peninsula tropical cyclones. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I would, but I am - wait scratch that I kinda need to make two articles and turn two drafts into an article soo.. Stay safe,  Cyclone   Toby  12:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Remember, there is no deadline. So this is just for the future, rather than putting it in table form, you could just put it in prose, like "May 1, 2021 - Cyclonic Storm Foo struck Y, causing Z effects." ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 13:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

So are my edits okay? Or I need to do some changes? SovietCyclone (talk) 06:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks great! I personally believe that you might want to make the entries a little larger, but not way to large. 3 or 4 sentences would be fine. Also, don't forgot to add sources to your entries. Stay safe, Cyclone   Toby  12:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay ! I will do as soon as my classes are over.SovietCyclone (talk) 12:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Example

Extremely Severe Cyclonic Storm Hudhud
Can we make such a list ?? Dam222 🌋 (talk) 07:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * no, it should be more like
 * December 19, 2841 - Cyclone Majata makes landfall in Odisha, causing (flooding, high winds, etc.). More than 8429 buildings were destroyed, and more than 13,932 were damaged. (More effects, more effects).
 * Now don't make an exact replica of that, it's more of an example, but try to at least incorporate into the entries. See Hurricanes in Costa Rica, or List of Florida hurricanes (2000-present) for more examples. An infobox should not be needed to go into a list. Stay safe, Cyclone   Toby  12:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yea, not every entry needs a track map and an image. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:38, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Like tropical cyclones in India, should the following articles be made or table wise?


 * Tropical cyclones in Sri Lanka
 * Tropical cyclones in Myanmar
 * List of Bangladesh tropical cyclones Dam222 🌋 (talk) 14:35, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

You can get some ideas from Typhoons in the Philippines, people have done a great job there and I'm thinking to do the same here. Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 Talk 06:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Should we also add animations of cyclones, if available? SovietCyclone (talk) 12:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

It would be better. Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 Talk 17:50, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ideally we are looking to develop a list of all the tropical cyclones to have impacted India, Sri Lanka etc, like the ones in my userspace, rather than a list of something slammed together from various articles like Typhoons in the Philippines currently is.Jason Rees (talk) 04:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Tropical cyclones in India
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Tropical cyclones in India's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "IMDBT": From 1998 North Indian Ocean cyclone season:  From 1998 Gujarat cyclone:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:54, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Tropical cyclones in India
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Tropical cyclones in India's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "NIO TCOP": From Tropical cyclone naming:  From 2002 West Bengal cyclone:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:47, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Help needed
Some people have done a huge mess by copying from other Wikipedia articles and not following the MoS (Manual of Style). It would be helpful if you try to improve the article by clicking here,Thanks. Bera niladri19  🌀🌀 03:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Gosh, this is not good. Though I will try to improve it, note that my editing activities are limited due to issues with my health. Have you alerted other WPTC members? We need a lot of help to make this not identical to other articles.  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 14:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * HurricaneEdgar, Dam222 is patroling for vandalism and SovietCyclone giving information but thr problem is that SovietCyclone is copying from other Wikipedia articles which violates the Copying within Wikipedia policy.  Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 14:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you let know?  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 14:14, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 14:16, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll let him know that if they want to copy within Wiki, they need to provide attribution, and to not do any extensive copying.  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 14:18, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

He was being informed by admin Diannaa. Bera niladri19  🌀🌀 14:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll request for protection in the Tropical cyclones in India Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 14:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Not necessary. And besides, isn't SovietCyclone Extended Confirmed? If it is protected against Extended Confirmed, we won't be able to edit it as well. Only Admins can then edit it then.  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 15:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Not extended confirm but ip users.

There's several kind of protection


 * Only Wikipedia Users can edit protection
 * Only Extended Confirmed Users can edit protection
 * Only Admins can edit protection

Idk, but there could be more than I know and protecting it because ip users like to mess the pages and some users who don't have significant knowledge of editing also can mess the page. Bera niladri19  🌀🌀 15:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

And the answer to your question Is SovietCyclone is extended confirmed user ? is that he's not an Extended Confirmed User. Bera niladri19  🌀🌀 15:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don’t think Semi-protection is needed, as not many IP users are editing the article, and there is little vandalism.  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 16:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , ok Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 16:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I also think you need to let more WPTC members know about this whole mess on the article, we need a lot of help to fix this mess.  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 17:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * hi guys if your agree this article moving the draft since this is not ready (this is my sugguestion)  HurricaneEdgar    01:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That would be better. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 02:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * And no need to notify other WPTC users. Me, Dam222, HurricaneEdgar and you is enough. However I might not edit much since my final exams are coming, but no probs I'll manage it. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 02:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

i be move to draft since the article not ready   HurricaneEdgar    03:03, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 03:27, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Let’s move this discussion into the talk page of the draft, since it mostly benefits the article.  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 13:25, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

ok Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 13:27, 29 January 2021 (UTC) I do not mind giving you guys a hand on getting this article up to snuff, though I question the need to move it to draft space. You guys might find it easier though to try and help me compile the lists of tropical cyclones in various Pacific Island nations like Fiji, Vanuatu, Niue and Tonga, before completing India since these island nations are usually impacted a lot less than India.Jason Rees (talk) 14:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The stuff you reverted is relevant, as it talks about the basics about the cyclones.  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 14:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It is only marginally relevant as we are talking about Tropical cyclones in India not the North Indian Ocean.Jason Rees (talk) 14:46, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Defintion
I feel that it is worth reminding you that this article/list is meant to talk about tropical cyclones in India and not Tropical Cyclones over the Indian Ocean. As a result, it is not relevant to add so much information about the naming of tropical cyclones over the Indian Ocean or the tropical cyclone scale used in the region.Jason Rees (talk) 14:37, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, it's important to add what does "Super Cyclonic Storm" mean and all that.  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 14:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It is relevant to give the content a sentence or two in a background section, but not a full-blown section. For example you don't see us defining what a category 5 hurricane is in List of Bermuda hurricanes or providing the whole history of tropical cyclone naming of the basin in the List of Western Australia tropical cyclones.Jason Rees (talk) 14:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , OK, can you add that to the background section?  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 14:59, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I will add the relevant content to the background section.Jason Rees (talk) 15:02, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, .  🌀 𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆 🌀 15:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Published
In February, I have noticed the lack of activity towards finishing the article. As such, I moved this article back to the mainspace. Please don't move this into the draftspace again...  Mario Jump  83!  10:38, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 03:06, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

No contribution towards the article
Hey members of WPTC. Now a days, I can able to see that no one is giving interest to give contributions to this article - Tropical Cyclones in India other than myself. I felt quite constrained that no one is giving any interest here. I request every members of WPTC to give some or the other contributions to this article. HarrySupertyphoon (talk) 17:00, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm ready to improve it but since due to less access to Wikipedia, it may take a while. Will start from 2mrow. Bera  niladri19  🌀🌀 16:05, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! HarrySupertyphoon (talk) 05:23, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Cleanup 2.0
,, , , , , This article needs an immediate cleanup, because this article doesn't look great with the list like format and looking very vague with too many sub-header. Can you guys suggest other than this list like format. Bera niladri19  🌀🌀 04:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * We should have a table with Year, Cyclone Name, Date, Description like in a List of article Threecthreek (talk) 14:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Threecthreek, a table would be better than the current format. Also, I think the title should be changed into “List of tropical cyclones in India” since it is not too different from other “list of” articles. Ididntknowausername (talk • contribs) 21:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)