Talk:Trousers

Semi-protect lifted
I have lifted the semi-protect to allow normal editing to occur. I will keep an eye on the article, and if it attracts higher than average vandalism, I will again semi-protect it.  SilkTork  *YES! 09:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems fine. I'm taking this off my watchlist. If there are any problems, please let me know.  SilkTork  *YES! 15:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Pantaloons
Pantaloon is a disambiguation page that links here with a description of pantaloons as a type of trouser. This page contains several mentions of the word but no details on how they might be different, special, or the same. Could someone who knows what pantaloons are edit this page to make this more clear? — m a k o ๛  18:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Law section
The law section is ridiculous. It should be condensed into either one or zero sentences. Some of the text might be appropriate on articles about decency laws. John (talk) 19:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. The scope of the law section doesn't match the scope of the rest of the article. 63.73.199.69 (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Women's Trouser's section
The section on women's pants/trousers needs to be edited for accuracy. Last I checked, the 25th century won't occur for another 400 years and there have only been 2 World Wars. --Nothing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.39.200.212 (talk) 00:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Most of this section is virtually the same as the Law section, and such duplication should be avoided as much as possible. Note there is also the link to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trousers_as_women%27s_clothing here, which seems to also have all the relevant information and more. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. Thin Smek) 05:38, 14 December 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thin Smek (talk • contribs)

History
Removed " (the Italian language word for "Trousers")" from the reference to Pantalone, clearly it's the Italian word for Trousers for the same reason it is in English, the reference to the character, and not because it means "Trousers". The Wikipedia page on the character "Pantalone" has multiple proposed etymological sources for the name of the character. dk4 (talk) 15:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

This article is extremely euro-centric. It jumps directly from Antique Age to 15th century Hungary with no mention of long history of trousers in vast geography of Asia. And there is also no reference to hundreds of different types of torusers worn by different cultures throughout history, whether it be sharovary or hakama. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.234.184.207 (talk) 01:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

The article also lacks mention of North American pants which predate NA-European contact. Arctic people in particular couldn't survive with out them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.249.208 (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The Jesuits that ran my high school in Fairbanks in the mid-1950s forbade girls' wearing of pants at school. However, in a concession to the climate, they could wear pants to school but had to change immediately upon arrival.

Pictures of Trousers period-wise
I feel that it would be better if pictures of trousers are added period-wise in this article. I do not know about western countries, but I know some types of trousers since my birth (and before it) in oriental countries. For example, the loose fitting trousers in 50's, the tapering narrow-pants in the 60's, the flaring bell-bottoms in the 70's. 80's were a vacuum for trousers. People were wearing just another version of narrow-pants, a little increased in circumference. 90's saw ballon type baggies (maximum circumference at the knee reducing towards waist and ankle). The fashion just repeated in 2000s. People were wearing Parallels in late 90's which resembled the ones in 50's. Boot-cuts (resembling the bell-bottoms) were in till Skinny Jeans was introduced by Lee in 2006-2007 (which again resembled narrows in the 60's). Jeans which was being considered as old-fashioned, became fashionable in late 90's. I was searching for the measurements of the loose fitting trousers in 50's. I thought wiki would have them, but could not find any. That's why thought of posting my view here. Thanks, Veera.sj (talk) 05:10, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Retraction of Louisiana Bill
The article clearly states that Derrick Shepherd "proposed" the bill described, so it is patently obvious that he is also the only one who could retract the proposition made. It wasn't a bill that was passed, but a proposed bill. If someone else had specifically challenged it or demanded its retraction, that would be written differently. The [by whom?] is completely unnecessary and wrongly applied in any case considering the sentence is coherent as it stands. Marcvanderloo (talk) 06:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Biased Article
By titling this article "Trousers"and redirecting "Pants" here, there is an implicit and unwarranted assumption that the standard usage among all English speakers is "trousers" even though the article states that "trousers" is primarily used only in the United Kingdom. This indicates bias in the article. It wouldn't be as egregious if there were a separate "Pants" article to parallel this one instead of redirecting here. It will be interesting to see if Wikipedia is actually self-correcting. Ssterns (talk) 18:23, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You are wrong. The use of trousers is common in English-speaking countries other the the US.
 * Trousers means the same thing everywhere, whereas pants means different things in different places. It only makes sense to use the universal term as the article title. If anything, the fact that "pants" redirects here instead of to underpants is evidence of pro-North American bias. Don't get me wrong, I think it makes sense for pants to redirect here (if only because I am North American) but I don't see how there's any pro-British bias. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 18:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I beg to disagree. Trousers is primarily a British expression; as the article states, most of the English-speaking world uses "pants." Similarly, the use of "pants" to mean "underpants" is entirely British (see the OED). To say that "trousers" is the universal term and "pants" the aberration is, in my opinion, very misleading and biased toward British usage rather than general English usage. As I noted above, this might not be so egregious if there were a separate article on "pants" rather than the re-direct. Ssterns (talk) 17:46, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Beg all you want, but you are still wrong.
 * I'm not saying that trousers is used equally everywhere, but it is certainly used occasionally in North America and it means the same thing. I am suggesting that the average American or Canadian would understand the same thing from the word "trousers" as someone from Britain, even if they wouldn't necessarily choose to use that word themselves. So I agree it's not universal in popularity of usage, but it is universal in meaning. Pants is neither universal in its usage nor universal in its meaning. Splitting an article on one thing into two because of national varieties of English makes no sense. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * MightyQuill, you seem to be missing the point in an effort to preserve the UK bias in the article, whether you "see" it or not. Clearly I'm not the only one to recognize such bias in this article and it's a frequently raised point with Wikipedia overall. The fact that "pants" seems to be used by the majority of English speakers is ignored in favor of defaulting to British language preferences. That's clearly bias. And it's unfortunate since a properly written article could easily avoid the bias, even to the point of creating separate short articles focused on the peculiarities of usage. If that makes no sense, though commonly done here, it just reinforces to me your support of UK bias. It's just one more reason why Wikipedia will continue to be discounted as a reliable source by serious scholars. Cheers! Ssterns (talk) 21:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Seriously, most of the english speaking world call them pants, and referring to them constantly as trousers is just ridiculous when only one country does so. This whole article should be retitled "Pants." Whoever's defending "trousers" is a schmuck trying to feel self important and should just shut the hell up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.204.174.250 (talk) 04:29, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Breathtaking arrogance & insularity: just because the author uses one term and has negliable / no international experience he assumes the population of the World follows his use of language.
 * Perhaps you misunderstood MightyQuill a little. The fact that a given word for a concept or object is 'most widely used', 'most popular' or 'generally accepted' is not a major consideration for Wikipedia to use that word as the main concept definition. (Declaring the most popular usage as correct is a variegation on the appeal to popularity fallacy). The aim of using the word 'trousers' in this context is so that it is recognisable (even if not the word most would choose) to the greatest number of users. As MightyQuill has already pointed out, using 'pants' would be misleading to some users (mainly in Europe and the United Kingdom) who construe this as meaning 'underpants', whereas 'trousers' (though it might be seldom spoken among United States users) is nevertheless recognised in the US as referring to the concept. This is not about bias, UK-based or US-based. It is about providing the greatest amount of comprehensibility to the greatest number of users. Hope that helps. Malusmoriendumest (talk) 07:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you misunderstood me a little. I've never said that "trousers" was incorrect as a main concept definition or that "pants" was "more" correct simply because it is more widely used (more "popular"). I've said that because "trousers" is the main heading and "pants" redirects to it, this is an indication of bias. Your arguments might make more sense in the context of a print encyclopedia, where space considerations, even in multi-volume sets, make such condensing more necessary. There is no such constraint here, and Wikipedia articles routinely cross-reference between sections of an article and another "main" article on the same subject as the section. Therefore, to remove bias and restore balance, it would be more proper to have two articles: one for "trousers," focusing on the term's primary use in British English and one for "pants," focusing on it's use in the rest of the English-speaking world, with liberal cross-referencing. The point is not which term is "better," the point is that subordinating one to the other to accommodate the sensibilities of British-English speakers is primary evidence of editorial bias. Ssterns (talk) 22:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, why do you give a damn whether the article is called "trousers" or "pants"? I searched "pants" and was redirected here; I found the same information I would have if the article was called "leg coverings" or "lower-body garments". The redirect ensures that speakers of either British or American English will find the information they're looking for, so let's not have a sectionalist battle.  Neil   Clancy  18:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, editorial bias in an encyclopedia undermines its credibility, especially when there is no reason for the bias as outlined above. Such editorial bias is one reason why Wikipedia is unlikely to be recognized as an academically authoritative resource. Without standards, there is no reason to trust the information. Ssterns (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure there is even a matter of national bias. In Manchester and Liverpool (and probably most of the North West of England) pants is used interchangeably to mean either trousers or underpants. The slang British use of 'pants' is simply an abbreviation of 'underpants' which are so called because they are worn under pants (trousers). I have never in my life seen items of underwear in a UK shop labelled as 'pants', but I have seen long legwear labelled as such - usually very casual e.g. lounge pants, not the type you iron a crease in, although I know some people who use it in this sense as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.189.168 (talk) 11:43, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Trousers certainly does not mean the same thing everywhere. As stated in the article itself, 'trousers' is mostly used in North America to refer to "tailored garments with a waistband and (typically) belt-loops and a fly-front". A North American would not call a pair of sweatpants 'trousers' but would consider them a type of 'pants'. I fail to see how this distinction is any different from the specificity of 'pants' in British usage or why that case gets priority above all others. --68.37.161.91 (talk) 07:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, so I have a question for our British cousins here: are jeans, sweatpants etc. considered to be "trousers" in the UK or what? Here in the US, "pants" is a generic term for longer leg covering garments, including things like I mentioned above and even lady's capris, pedalpuishers etc., which do not reach the ankle but are longer than shorts. This is perhaps why there has been objections to "trousers" being the title here, to us on the left side, it is sort of like having the term "sweater" redirect to "cardingan" rather than the other way around. Wschart (talk) 13:16, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Keepy crying, you little insecure Yank. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.247.144 (talk) 13:36, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * @82.132.247.144 a bit uncivil for a content dispute, no? ☢️Plutonical☢️  ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵘⁿᶦᶜᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿˢ  16:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Only Southern England uses the word pants to describe underwear exclusively. Everywhere else that speaks English (including norther england) calls trousers pants, underwear is underpants (generally male) or knickers (generally female) or underwear. So trousers are pants and pants are trousers (except to Southeners). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:CA0F:7B00:145E:3CC1:35C5:1B65 (talk) 17:03, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I grew up in the north of England and "pants" to us always meant underpants. "Pants" to mean trousers was regarded as an amusing Americanism. So you are mistaken. -- Alarics (talk) 20:24, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm a little late to the party - but I'm from (and still live in) the North East of England and have never heard anyone use pants to mean underpants. Pants are trousers and underpants go under your pants (trousers)! 82.4.226.211 (talk) 20:38, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

The use of the word trousers in North America is uncommon at best. Use of the word seems misplaced and no one specifically knows what trousers actually refer to. There should be a new article entitled pants because the two are not used interchangeably in the least. The example of sweatpants or jeans was a good one. If anything, trousers might refer to a particular type of English pant? But pants, in general, is far more wide-ranging, and does not overlap with underwear except with the silly sounding "underpants". 2601:182:4381:E60:F47D:7166:408E:8014 (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree 100% that this is a biased article being that the most commonly employed word is "pants." Furthermore, the word "trousers" is inappropriate because many North American English speakers (the majority of native speakers of English) would not understand the word trousers. It's fine that the word trousers is mentioned, all English varieties should be respected, but to facilitate communication it would be better to employ the word "pants" as the primary word and "trousers" as a secondary word. ˜˜˜˜Ryan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.158.189.136 (talk) 16:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@2601:182:4381:E60:F47D:7166:408E:8014 With all due respect, the word underpants may sound silly to you but  it originally is a hynponym of underwear  BlackAdvisor (talk) 18:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

To most native and non-native speakers the term is "pants". That should be the title of the article, period. There seems to be the assumption among some British people that all non-British people at least understand the word "trousers" and understand it to mean what it means in Britain; this is false. 142.126.235.142 (talk) 01:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I support this change ChecksMix (talk) 15:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Painful
This is one poorly written article - almost every sentence is a string of jerky exceptions and inclusions of alternate terms and awkward descriptions. It truly is painful trying to follow what, if anything, the author is or authors are trying to say. One serious overiding problem, as with many Wiki articles, is indeed the profound UK bias - maybe Wiki should just call it a day and let the UK faction just take over and make no attempt to try to serve the majority of English speakers on the planet. The only thing that is really disturbing is the number of kids coming online and picking up these incorrect spellings and grammar.
 * Hypocritical of you given the appalling standard of your English.
 * Thanks for your comments, anonymous editor. Please feel free to reword awkward phrasing. I'm sorry you feel there is a UK bias. I don't personally see it, but I'm certainly willing to discuss it. I stated just above this section why I think it makes sense to use "trousers" instead of "pants" for the article title, but as for the article text, it seems to be a mix of British and American English. "-ize" is used over "-ise" but "colour" instead of "color". - TheMightyQuill (talk) 19:15, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It might help the anonymous editor to consider that different spellings of English words can be seen as alternatives, not as conflicting and divisive differences. It is also a little puzzling to class British spellings as fundamentally and irrevocably 'incorrect', when many (though by no means all) are in fact the original ones, having been created and put into usage long before their new, more widely used, alternatives. Linguistic change does happen, and it is true that many words have new, more popular versions; nevertheless, the original words remain valid. - Malusmoriendumest (talk) 08:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Bias or no, redirecting the far more common and older usage of "pants" to an article titled trousers is ridiculous. Its misinformation. Check this please and include the Assyrian use [http://books.google.com/books?id=mpYDLXUfIO8C&pg=PA378 כי ברוך הוא, Robert Chazan,William W. Hallo‏. p.378]--80.184.25.29 (talk) 07:36, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Romo46000, 18 February 2011
Please add to the Fly section of this article the fact that in British English they're called flies, always in plural. I have seen a lot of people on the Internet correcting others because they say "your flies are undone". This is totally correct in British English: flies is always plural for them.

Romo46000 (talk) 13:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:56, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

How do you suppose you get a source on that? Do most pluralizations usages on wikipedia have citations? Google search results should be proof enough — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.137.215 (talk) 03:48, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Why is it called "Trousers"
Why is this article called "Trousers" when it mentions several exceptions (That is to say, more exceptions than non-exceptions) that call it pants? If the most commonly used word is "Pants", then the article should be called "Pants". It seems like the United Kingdom's usage of "Trousers" is the exception, rather than "Pants".

Corbenine (talk) 00:55, 28 March 2011 (UTC)Corbenine


 * Nope. Pants are what you wear underneath your trousers. --93.232.255.195 (talk) 16:29, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree, the more common name should be the main heading. Additionally, the etymology for each word that I found in Random House Dictionary puts the origin of "pants" at around 1400 CE and the origin of "trousers" right at the beginning of the 17th Century. So in addition to being more common, it appears 'pants' is much older. So, is it even possible to change the main heading? --68.37.161.91 (talk) 06:52, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


 * "Pants" appears to be the more common name, but "trousers" is less ambiguous (because "pants" apparently refers to underpants in some places).
 * Additionally, while "pants" is the usual term in the United States (where I reside), "trousers" is not unheard-of here. This likely is the case in other countries where "pants" predominates.
 * So on a worldwide level, "trousers" probably is the most understandable, least confusing title for the article. —David Levy 14:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * 'Trousers' is the common term worldwide, and has the same meaning in every English speaking country. Whereas 'pants' might be a synonym in the US and Canada, but most everywhere else it refers to what North Americans would call 'underpants'.  To get some idea of how 'pants' sounds to other Anglophones, watch a an American film and replace every instance of 'pants' with 'panties'.  It's almost hard to keep a straight face.  Trilobright (talk) 23:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * "Trousers" isn't used much at all in North America, where a majority of the world's native anglophones live, so I question the claim that it's the "common term worldwide". I can buy the argument that it's less ambiguous, though.     2602:306:CFEA:170:C103:A781:E657:AB45 (talk) 22:25, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You can question the claim of worldwide use should you wish, but that won't stop it being true.


 * I doubt there's a way of pleasing everyone and I doubt the title will ever be changed. Splitting into two articles won't work because there's too much overlap. To people in the UK, the word "pants" actually means "underpants", as hard as that is for everyone else to imagine. And to people in the US, the word "trousers" is at best only a type of pants. So we have to just pick one and by precedent it's trousers. Amacfiew (talk) 15:33, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This is actually a policy, and rightly so - see MOS:COMMONALITY. I don't think Americans can claim they don't know what "trousers" means.Johnbod (talk) 16:21, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This is inaccurate, as the usage of 'pants' to refer to underwear in the UK isn't a nationwide thing. Whilst the article name is fine, it is frustrating to see the misinformation it purports - that there is a hard divide between the British English and American English when it comes to these items. It seems no one in any of these discussions have cared to do the proper due diligence, and have instead resorted to fighting one another 'Brits vs Americans' - when in fact it is much more complicated than that. SerialComplainer12 (talk) 19:30, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Pair of ...
It's not so common now, but when I was younger, both "trousers" and "pants" were normally prefaced by "pair of"; and they still are at least occasionally.

I gather this originates from "a trouser" being a legging, and the wearer needing one for each leg. Perhaps this could be mentioned in the etymology section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Kealey (talk • contribs) 11:16, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Some good
I think so, too. If these pictures, or others like them, are suitable, more should be added to the article. I felt there was a lack of illustration when reading the history section. Particularly I had to do a web image search for pantaloons to understand the description; two files were deleted in October as mooted here in Talk; and the reference to the Thorsberg peat bog illustration is invalid as that image has also been removed within the last three months. "Loose-fitting trousers were worn in Byzantium under long tunics,[20] and were worn by many tribes, such as the Germanic tribes that migrated to the Western Roman Empire in Late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages, as evidenced by both artistic sources and such relics as the 4th-century costumes recovered from the Thorsberg peat bog (see illustration).[21]" Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. Thin Smek) 05:31, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Mixed usage
"" I do not think this is true. Take for example New Zealand where usage is mixed (try a Google search on [pants site:nz]) as it is with "chips" and "crisps", and if the Kiwi's usage is mixed it is probably also mixed in land of the Vegemite sandwich and in Canada, so US usage is far from as isolated as the sentence implies). -- PBS (talk)

I've always lived in the South Island of New Zealand, and people sometimes seem to prefer one or the other and are caught by surprise when the alternate is used. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. Thin Smek) 04:40, 14 December 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thin Smek (talk • contribs)

Tagging User:PBS. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. Thin Smek) (talk) 17:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


 * My perception of the Canadian usage is that "pants" is almost always used by almost everyone, but "trousers" is the usual word for a few people, is sometimes used when specifically referring to more formal clothing styles, and is sometimes used when speaking in a formal style (perhaps affectedly?). There doesn't seem to be much "trousers antipathy" here (as there apparently is in some places), just the word is unusual. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:05, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 June 2015
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Painful (2)
Indeed. In the UK of Great Britain, they might even say this article was so poor, it was 'pants.'JF42 (talk) 07:13, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Take that full-stop out of the speech marks. Uncivilised twat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:630:301:5242:F1F2:1E53:A5D5:9EA4 (talk) 20:43, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Laws
I don't care about legal problem I could risk by admitting it, but this paragraph seems to be an attack against female habits, regardless of every national view. Male traits aren't necessarily valid for women. --ElpJo84 (talk) 13:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It took me a while to understand what you mean, but it sounds like you're saying the "Laws" section is too much in favour of women wearing pants. I'm not sure what to tell you other than that you will never run into legal problems for simply writing something on a talk page. Anyway, the section primarily describes changes in the law. With time, those will invariably be more progressive rather than conservative. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 21:33, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Verification Request
In the sentence

"Republican Rome viewed the draped clothing of Greek and Minoan (Cretan) culture as an emblem of civilisation and disdained trousers as the mark of barbarians."

found in the "Antiquity" section, I added an internal link to "Himation" for the text "draped clothing". However, in retrospect this may not be correct since the it's possible that "draped clothing" refers to a Chiton (costume). Could someone who is more knowledgeable than I about this subject please verify which of these (if not both) "draped clothing" refers to? selfworm Talk ) 15:56, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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Indus Valley Civilization, mesopotamia trousers and ancient india
trousers were known to the people in indus valley civilization here is the paper which analyses artifact analysed by indus civilization expert Massimo Vidale, date of the artifact is pre harrapan 2800-2600 BC

The lady of the spiked throne

'''In this male figurines, the hat was painted red. The body parts, as observed in the females, were painted yellow, with secondary elements applied in black, perhaps to suggest more ornaments or details of the dress. Yellow and black were also the colours casually fixed on similar and later figurines (Fig. 6) by a ruinous firing at Nausharo (Samzun, 1992; see Tokio Metropolitan Museum, 2000: 42-43; 82-88). In these standing specimens, scattered and broken on the floor of one or more private dwellings of Period ID, yellow was applied to the bodies, brown was applied to represent a kind of trousers, and black marked the eyes, hair and other body details (Kenoyer, 1998: 186-187). '''

a mother goddess figurine in national museum in new dehli is also said to be wearing tight fitted trousers with a tunic.

trousers are also depicted in ancient india as early as 200 BC in a ujjain coin, this dress is declared as achkan

'''Mesopotamian/ ancient egypt trousers '''

115.135.130.182 (talk) 15:57, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Further evidence here.
 * Zvi Zig (talk • contribs 02:37, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

None of those depict trousers.Akmal94 (talk) 01:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Pants
The American Term for This Particular Garment "Pants" is used by the U.S., a country with approximately 325 million people living in it and in addition to this Canada has been known to use this term for a grand total of approximately 360 million rather than the U.K. a country with approximately 60 million live there which is why I suggest it be used as the article title and that trousers be redirected to this instead of vice versa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.110.115.186 (talk) 19:35, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Discussed here already. Dorsetonian (talk) 19:38, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Trousers vs breeches
The article says breeches have sometimes been worn instead of trousers, and I have no reason to doubt that. However, the article's own definition of the word "trousers" seems general enough that breeches would have to be included under it. If breeches are not trousers, then the definition of trousers should be specific enough that an uninitiated reader will understand why. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:46, 7 July 2023 (UTC)