Talk:True Pole

We need an article about stereotype of Poles
This is an interesting topic, but it seems a bit narrow and WP:ORish - but after looking at some academic literature, the concept is likely notable. Still, there are some synonyms. The term "true Pole", or prawdziwy Polak, is used, but it not very well defined. Some scholarly work that mentions it in more depth seems to be discussing it in as part of the closely related, and even synonymous, stereotypes of Poles. I'll bold synonyms: It should also be noted that the term is used abroad, see for example and, discussing the stereotypes of "True Poles" in Ukraine and Belarussia. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:53, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * : "W środowiskach endeckich i postendeckich żywe jest wartościowanie obywateli Rzeczypospolitej w kategoriach typu dobry Polak czy zwłaszcza prawdziwy Polak, przy czym o tym, kto jest dobrym czy prawdziwym Polakiem, decydują oczywiście liderzy stosownych ugrupowań"
 * : "zadziwiająca postać, na pozór wewnętrznie sprzeczna, mianowicie Polak-katolik. Inne odmiany tej postaci to „prawdziwy Polak” albo „wszechpolak”. "
 * I've been thinking about this for quite some time, looking at Category:Ethnic and racial stereotypes. The article is to have two major parts: "endostereotypes" and exostereotypes (endostereotype, exostereotype - no articles either; may be I will throw in a nanostub endostereotype and exostereotype and "spread the words" across relewant articles). In fact' I've accumulated such a wealth of refs from German, East Slavic and Lithianian sources, so I am afraid do start writing, now that I see all the ramifications: stereotypes in time, among certain social/political groups, about Polish social/enthic subgroups, etc. The article is to be HUGE, man. Also there are some are unclear issues, eg., whether Sarmatism is/was a stereotype or a worldview? It definitely gave rise to some stereotypes, such as "bez karabeli ani z pościeli" ("don't come out of the bed without karabela") or "bez spodni, ale z szablą" ("without pants, but with szabla"), the latter one about petty szlachta. Not to say about the genesis of the very concept of "Poles" as a nationality. Lembit Staan (talk) 20:04, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Is Nogaś undue?
A big part of the article is a list prepared by a single journalist, including jokes about cyclists. I think it is WP:UNDUE. This article can be expanded with scholarly sources instead, just enter "prawdziwy Polak" into Google Scholar for dozen+ good sources. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:57, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The list can be trimmed, it is kinda repetitive, too. As for expansion, I don't have much time to write well-researched articles. I just filled the gap. In fact, I was thinking that Pole-Catholic deserves a separate page in enwiki as well, but maybe later, when this one fleshes out better. Lembit Staan (talk) 19:39, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Capitalization
Shouldn't "polak" in 'prawdziwy polak' and 'prawdziwi polacy' begin with a capital 'P'...? Both English and Polish language use capital letters in names of nations. --CiaPan (talk) 17:39, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thx. YOu should have done this yourself, by the way. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, possibly. I was not sure, however, if that is not an estabilished error, carrying any special meaning or connotations. --CiaPan (talk) 09:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)