Talk:Try Some, Buy Some/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 15:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Nominator: JG66 (talk)

Hi! My review for this article will be here shortly. -- Seabuckthorn   ♥  15:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written
 * a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
 * b. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

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 * 5) ** Major Point 1: Background and composition "The lyrics to "Try Some, Buy Some" reflect Harrison's perception of God amid temptations associated with the material world and take the form of a recollection of his first spiritual awakening." ( not a concise summary of the corresponding section in the body )
 * 6) ** Major Point 2: Planned Ronnie Spector solo album "" ( not a concise summary of the corresponding section in the body )
 * 7) ** Major Point 2.1: Recording Major portion in the lead ( not a concise summary of the corresponding section in the body and should be compressed. )
 * 8) ** Major Point 2.2: Single release "" ( not a concise summary of the corresponding section in the body )
 * 9) ** Major Point 2.3: Reissue "Having long been unavailable following its initial release, Ronnie Spector's version was reissued in 2010 on the compilation Come and Get It: The Best of Apple Records." ( not a concise summary of the corresponding section in the body )
 * 10) ** Major Point 3: George Harrison's version "After the single became only a minor hit, Harrison added his own vocal onto the same instrumental track and included the result on his 1973 album Living in the Material World." ( not a concise summary of the corresponding section in the body )
 * 11) ** Major Point 3.1: Release "" ( not a concise summary of the corresponding section in the body )
 * 12) ** Major Point 3.2: Reception "" ( not a concise summary of the corresponding section in the body )
 * 13) ** Major Point 4: Cover versions "A longtime admirer of the song, David Bowie covered "Try Some, Buy Some" on his 2003 album Reality." (summarised well in the lead)
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 * 15) ** Major Point 1: Background and composition "The lyrics to "Try Some, Buy Some" reflect Harrison's perception of God amid temptations associated with the material world and take the form of a recollection of his first spiritual awakening." ( the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body )
 * 16) ** Major Point 2: Planned Ronnie Spector solo album "first released in 1971 as a single by former Ronettes lead … " ( the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body )
 * 17) ** Major Point 2.1: Recording Major portion in the lead ( the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body and should be compressed. )
 * 18) ** Major Point 2.2: Single release "" ( the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body )
 * 19) ** Major Point 2.3: Reissue "Having long been unavailable following its initial release, Ronnie Spector's version was reissued in 2010 on the compilation Come and Get It: The Best of Apple Records." ( the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body )
 * 20) ** Major Point 3: George Harrison's version "After the single became only a minor hit, Harrison added his own vocal onto the same instrumental track and included the result on his 1973 album Living in the Material World." ( the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body )
 * 21) ** Major Point 3.1: Release "" ( the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body )
 * 22) ** Major Point 3.2: Reception "" ( the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body )
 * 23) ** Major Point 4: Cover versions "A longtime admirer of the song, David Bowie covered "Try Some, Buy Some" on his 2003 album Reality." ( the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body )
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 * 26) *** "Try Some, Buy Some" is a song written by English musician George Harrison, first released in 1971 as a single by former Ronettes lead singer Ronnie Spector.
 * 27) *** Definition and notability should be in the first sentence (WP:BETTER). As per WP:LEADSENTENCE, The article should begin with a short declarative sentence, answering two questions for the nonspecialist reader: "What (or who) is the subject?" and "Why is this subject notable?".
 * 28) *** The part "first released in 1971 as a single by former Ronettes lead singer Ronnie Spector" should not be in the first sentence. I feel the notability should be included here.
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2: Verifiable with no original research
 * a. Has an appropriate reference section: Yes
 * b. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: excellent (Thorough check on Google.)

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3: Broad in its coverage

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4: Neutral

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5: Stable: No edit wars, etc: Yes

6: Images ✅ (NFC with a valid FUR) & (PD)

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I'm glad to see your work here. I do have some insights based on the above checklist that I think will improve the article :
 * I think the lead can be improved in order to provide an accessible overview and to give relative emphasis.

Besides that, I think the article looks excellent. You've done great work, and I am quite happy to assist you in improving it. All the best, --  Seabuckthorn   ♥  02:39, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * -- Seabuckthorn   ♥  15:42, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi JG66! I hope you are watching this page and have not forgotten about this article. As a gentle reminder, I'm putting the article on hold. I hope you don't mind. All the best! --  Seabuckthorn   ♥  01:58, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah sorry, I thought you'd be watching the article also, but I should have replied here anyway. I've made a few changes there. It's a tough one: I'm thinking some further cuts might be necessary in the main text, and/or I should completely rewrite the lead from scratch … Any thoughts on progress so far would be very welcome! Best, JG66 (talk) 02:04, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I've done a bit more work on the lead without resorting to the more drastic steps mentioned above. I really think that's all I can do (that is, unless I start deleting points from the main text). I appreciate your patience through all this – what do you think of the lead as it is now? JG66 (talk) 04:34, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It's okay, no need to be sorry. You're right. I should watch articles also. Apologies.  The lead looks perfect now. Thanks!  --  Seabuckthorn   ♥  06:49, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . Great news … (and a fair amount of relief!). It's good to get another one up there. Take care, JG66 (talk) 07:08, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Promoting the article to GA status. -- Seabuckthorn   ♥  06:49, 11 February 2014 (UTC)