Talk:Tsai Ing-wen

Personal life
I deleted some of the text from the personal life section as they made claims without any citation. I left a couple of sentences in this section in place, but they also need citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidreid (talk • contribs) 03:54, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Took this a step further and deleted entire "personal life" section Twyn3161 (talk) 07:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Personal life changes
I re-worded the existing sentence. User:Kiwidude made an edit saying that Ms. Tsai said she was not gay, however, in the source that is cited that is not what she said. Rather, she refuses to answer the question, saying instead, that there is nothing wrong with any marital status or sexual orientation. Also, a citation is needed on the claim she was born into a wealthy family. Might be true but there are no supporting references listed. --Webbyj (talk) 05:09, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

If you can raise 11 children, you'd need to have some wealth, unless it's like the olden days; send them out to work at 12 which did not seem to have happened here. On the BBC website it says she was the child of her father's fourth wife. I was curious, did he have four wives at the same time or four marriages one after the other? He must have made good money in his garage or he had a side income which he seemingly did not publicise. I have no sources, but things ought to make sense. 2001:8003:A02F:F400:9917:6BB7:DD77:46DB (talk) 05:11, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Christian?
Is there any citation that she is a Christian, as the category indicates? – Kaihsu (talk) 16:04, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, some comment on her religious belief (if any) would be nice. 92.0.147.209 (talk) 12:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Political Stances?
This article covers her background and her rise in politics, but it doesn't actually do much (if anything) to cover her political beliefs themselves. What are her stances on Taiwanese-Chinese relationships? What about economic policy? What about social policy? These would be nice things to add to flesh out her article, which as it stands is rather short and uninformative. 163.29.35.147 (talk) 01:47, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I think the Taiwanese-Chinese relationships are well known. She is not for rapprochement with China in any forme because she does not trust them. Economic policy? That would be determined by the international agreements and treaties and/or the Washington Consensus of the IMF. Countries no longer do economic policies, mostly, they follow the rules of treaties. Social policies are extremely unpopular in the democratic countries. Everybody must look after themselves because social policies cost money. Taxes must be so low that they do not have room for social policies. 2001:8003:A02F:F400:9917:6BB7:DD77:46DB (talk) 05:19, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


 * ^Couldn't agree more! This article is shit!


 * Came here to say this. This article's quality is totally inappropriate for a president. Currently the only section about her political positions is the "Views on LGBT issues" section which is imo of disputable importance. What about her visions for domestic and foreign policy etc.? --Fixuture (talk) 19:44, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I made an attempt at fixing this glaring problem by translating parts of the Chinese articel, but would welcome any sources online in either English and Chinese that summarize her political views. Colipon+ (Talk) 20:29, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm curious to know why Tsai Ing-wen is known as the president of the "Republic of China"?


 * Forgive me for being ignorant, but I've only ever known of the country being referred to as "Taiwan" (by Taiwanese people I have personally met throughout my life), and "Chinese Taipei" (as it's called in an international sporting context - presumably to not raise the ire of China).


 * Where on Earth has "Republic of China" come from? Considering that the Taiwanese have consistently voted for an anti-Chinese government in the last two presidential elections, I'm confused by the "Republic of China" moniker: it's clearly inaccurate politically, and seems as though it was almost certainly written by a pro-Chinese author. Granted, it would be difficult to write about this topic in an unbiased matter, but "Republic of China" is incredibly partisan and 100% biased. Please fix this, Wikipedia.

Second Female Head-of-State in East Asia with No Other Qualifiers?
If the article had said the second female head-of-state in a republican mold or in the more modern era, it may have been accurate. But, without such qualifiers, these particular women (not necessarily and exclusive list, but just ones I've found) somewhat challenge that tile (I'll link the existing Wikipedia articles for them as they stand so I can show they're there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Genmei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Gensh%C5%8D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_K%C5%8Dken https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Meish%C5%8D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Go-Sakuramachi

I just thought this might be something to consider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zamarana (talk • contribs) 21:51, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2016
Please remove the sentence "She will become the second female head of state in East Asia after current President of South Korea Park Geun-hye" because the article is aiming to promote awareness of a president of another country that is irrelevant to the article about President Tsai.

206.116.28.46 (talk) 00:11, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I think the point it wants to emphasize is that she is the second female head of state in East Asia --allthefoxes (Talk) 04:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

But, as I pointed out above, she's not the second female "head-of-state" in East Asia, only the second female "president of a nation." An empress regnant, of which I've listed six from East Asian history, is, by definition, as much a "head-of-state" as a national president. - Zamarana

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Presidency
It has been two years since Tsai's election, but this article does not describe the events of her presidency so far. The political positions section is mainly focused on her positions during the presidential campaign. Overall, the article has not been significantly revised since the immediate months following the election. 101.224.90.84 (talk) 12:52, 10 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Several of the subparagraphs in the Presidency section make no mention of Tsai nor her administration. It makes me wonder if they're really pertinent to this article. Iglew (talk) 11:09, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Which ones specifically?  Might be able to add refs. DrIdiot (talk) 13:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * For example, labour reform, pension reform, same-sex marriage. These discuss interesting things that occurred in Taiwan over the past six years, but don't seem to be related to Tsai except that she happened to be president. Other sections are only slightly connected, with a generic introductory statement that Tsai supported a policy. It seems to be that an article about an individual should be about events directly connected to her life and career, not everything that happened politically while she was president. Iglew (talk) 18:03, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

To add to article
To add to the article: Tsai's doctoral dissertation is "missing" from the university library that is supposed to have a copy: source 173.88.241.33 (talk) 01:53, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Strongly disagree. There is no mention of the citizenship conspiracy theory on Obama's page, since it's a fringe interest.  You may create a separate Wiki page for this thesis conspiracy theory, but it should be fair, backed up by reputable sources, and include all developments, i.e. LSE's statement that she did indeed graduate and complete her dissertation. DrIdiot (talk) 01:32, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal (One fixed day off and one flexible rest day)
I propose to merge One fixed day off and one flexible rest day into this article (Tsai Ing-wen). The aforementioned article discusses changes to labor law in Taiwan during the Tsai administration. There is currently already a section on it here which I wrote. I incorporated some of the sources and content of One fixed day off and one flexible rest day into this current article and I believe there is now no important content in the aforementioned article missing in the section in this article. Moreover, the aforementioned article is somewhat outdated -- it does not take into account the second revisions to the act and contains some dead links. just pinging you as a FYI DrIdiot (talk) 20:43, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, it looks like this user has not been active for 2 years, so I'm just going to go do it. Should not be controversial. DrIdiot (talk) 03:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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MacKay hospital?
Edits were made by an anonymous user with a questionable source that Tsai was born in MacKay Memorial Hospital. The source is: http://www.chinapress.com.my/20160117/%E8%94%A1%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E5%BE%9E%E5%8D%83%E9%87%91%E5%88%B0%E4%B8%90%E5%B9%AB%E5%B9%AB%E4%B8%BB-%E5%85%84%E5%A7%90%E5%8A%A9%E6%B0%91%E9%80%B2%E9%BB%A8%E6%B8%A1%E8%B2%A1%E5%9B%B0/ and the first sentence reads... "Tsai was born with a silver spoon in her pocket..." -- and toward the end moves toward conspiracy theory territory with something about the number of votes being coincidental to some other number -- does not read like RS to me. I can't corroborate this claim with any other source. I am reverting the edits for now since (1) the citation is not RS and it's BLP and (2) the detail is really pretty irrelevant. DrIdiot (talk) 02:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * To be clear, I am not opposed to adding the hopsital information in the article, since it seems like there is precedent for this (e.g. Ma Ying-jeou and Barack Obama) but there has to be RS. DrIdiot (talk) 03:22, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Ph.D. conspiracy theory
There have been multiple attempts to edit the page recently regarding a conspiracy theory that Tsai did not receive her Ph.D. from LSE. This has been authoritatively refuted by LSE themselves: http://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2019/j-October-2019/LSE-statement-on-PhD-of-Dr-Tsai-Ing-wen I consider this a fringe interest with no merit to be included on this page, especially since its BLP. If you disagree, we can discuss it here but I would consider further edits to this effect to be vandalism. DrIdiot (talk) 11:04, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * In the edit summary I said the content did not mention the above link, but it does. Regardless, the content I reverted by contains (1) a lot of confusing sentences whose meaning I can't guess, (2) multiple non-RS, e.g. "Taiwan People News" and other news sources that are just repeating gossip, (3) appears to contain original research, e.g. the section where the author cites the LSE website terms of use (and bizarrely misapplies it?).  DrIdiot (talk) 11:22, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That would explain why something along those lines was recently slipped into the page about her cats, Think_Think_and_Ah_Tsai, which I reverted. merlinVtwelve (talk) 20:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I think if the author of the content wants to include it in Wikipedia, a good precedent is the Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories article (see also guidelines in Fringe theories). Note: (1) this article is *not* linked to from the body text in Barack Obama because doing so would give it undue weight (see Fringe_theories, one way principle) and (2) the goal of the article is not to attempt to establish the truth of the theory (which, because of the LSE statement, I think any reasonably objective observer can see is not true in any essential way) but to describe the unfolding of the theory. However, I have my serious doubts as to whether the author is really undertaking this in good faith, because the reverted content is clearly trying to argue in favor of the theory to the maximum extent possible. DrIdiot (talk) 21:05, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Is this PhD "dispute" even notable enough for a mention on this article, or for an article of its own? I'm interested in creating an article like the Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories, but I can only find a few sources online about this conspiracy theory, and even then they're not politically neutral (i.e. DPP-aligned - one source I can find about this is this article here: ). DenebDeNoob (talk) 23:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

The conspiracy theorists are back. I want to re-iterate to everyone that there is no dispute surrounding her Ph.D. since the university (LSE) has verified it. DrIdiot (talk) 19:43, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In any case, since this is WP:BLP, any discussion of this theory must go through the talk page with consensus. DrIdiot (talk) 20:46, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect chinese translation of an article
In the early career section, it mentions that her dad changed her name because "the character 瀛 was too obscure". The article that this entry cites states a different reason. The cited article actually states that the reason her dad changed her name was because the character 瀛 had too many strokes. The exact line in the article that is referenced is "但父亲蔡洁生觉得“瀛”字笔划太多". This translates into "Her dad felt that the character had too many strokes". I just joined wikipedia so can someone else change the entry?

Edit: Never mind, I made the change myself.

Thanks, I agree with this edit. DrIdiot (talk) 17:12, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Tjuku
According to Mandarin Chinese Wikipedia, Tjuku is President Tsai's Paiwan name. I saw some stuff online confirming this, but I would like to ask if anyone knows more about this or if it has been discussed before. Geographyinitiative (talk) 23:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems legit: https://www.twreporter.org/a/opinion-indigenous-policy DrIdiot (talk) 06:42, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

"Her Excellency"
I've noticed on Taiwanese presidents pages they tend to have honorifics "His/Her Excellency". I feel like this isn't quite correct. At least in English media, they are never referred to as such, though I'm less sure about historically. Moreover, this seems to be an honorific in aristocratic societies... so at the very least feels like a mistranslation. Can anyone confirm? I propose to remove all of these honorifics from all Taiwanese presidents (including CKS, where there's also "Generalissimo" which I don't think is an honorific -- it's a rank or a nickname) DrIdiot (talk) 18:49, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

John McCain Prize
Taiwan president awarded John McCain Prize ...  TheKuygerian  contribs userpage 01:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox: "7th President of the Republic of China" vs "President of the Republic of China"
Should we include the numbering in the infobox or not? It's been added recently and now it's been removed. It also seems somebody already took it upon themselves to add the numbering in all the pages of previous ROC presidents. - Bokmanrocks01 (talk) 19:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)


 * if anything, Tsai is the 14th and 15th president, as least as per twitter account 2406:3003:2004:2E9E:A05B:AE96:61F7:4B30 (talk) 00:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Transcriptions, wtf?
Under most of the transcriptions of her name there are pictures of... surgery, I think. What is that?! Cash713 (talk) 15:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Change visit to the U.S in past tense
Change her visit U.S in past tense if she had visited Rudedog109 (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding Outgoing to the infobox
Hi, I'm trying to add Outgoing to the infobox. I heard some people say that we don't use the term outgoing, but there seems to be no policy against using the term outgoing. Anyone else here that agrees? Interstellarity (talk) 23:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

status of her presidency
very sorry but uh i am just following the status similar to lee hsien loong of singapore, as both leaders will eventually be stepping down from their roles. it is understandable that no successor should be inserted yet (i.e lai) but it is a little misleading to state her status as an incumbent (which is true) as she has a maximum of 2 terms and eventually we all know from the elections she will step down from her powers since a new successor from the same party is in place to be president, albeit different from singapore’s case (lee hsien loong announces he’s stepping down and lawrence wong will replace him) so hence it is more appropriate to indicate her status as an outgoing president :D 2406:3003:2002:2D79:90E3:7DA:BF88:BFB3 (talk) 12:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC)