Talk:Tsufurujin

Tsufuruian?
Is it a translation or a fan name? If it's a translation, we should use it. Why the hell chose a Japanese name on the English Wikipedia?-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 03:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The term Tsufurian is actually a fan translation. The three races that are introduced in Dragon Ball Z are Saiyajin, Namekujin, and Tsufurujin. Saiyajin (Pronounced Sigh-Yuh-Geen) is a pun on Yasai, which is Japanese for Vegetable. Jin is added onto a country to show someones nationallity, for example someone from Japan (Called Nihon in Japanese) is a Nihonjin. So, Saiyajin basically means Vegetable Person. FUNimation translated this as Saiyan (Pronounced Say-En), which adds an n to the end of Saiya, like how someone from America is called an American. Namekujin (Pronounced Nah-Mech-Oo-Geen)is a pun on Namekuji, which is Japanese for Slug, so Namekujin basically means Slug Person. FUNimation removed the u and added ian, making it Namekian (Pronounced Nuh-Mech-Ee-Un, though the planet's name is pronounced Nah-Mick), like how someone from Canada is called a Canadian. The U was removed so the word wouldn't sound akward (Namekuian, pronounced Nah-Mech-Oo-E-Un), but it still keeps the pun mostly intact. Tsufurujin (Pronounced Tsoo-Foo-Roo is a pun on Furutsu, which is Japanese for Fruit. FUNimation translated this as Tuffle(Pronounced Tou(As in Tough)-full), which completley destroys the name pun, and the pun on the Saiyajin vs the Tsufurujin (Vegetables vs Fruits), so wikipedia uses the original Japanese term, Tsufurujin. Tsufurian is translated the way FUNimation translated Namekujin, droping the u and adding ian at the end, making Tsufurian (Pronounced Tsu(As in Tsunami)-Foo-Re-Un). I think using a fan translation is better than having Saiyan, Namekian, and Tsufurujin. And Tuffle not only ruins the puns, but it brings up a problem, as the International dub which airs in Canada and the UK uses Tsuflles(Pronounces Tsu(As in Tsunami)-Fulls), so using one over the other would show prefrence for one dub over the other. Takuthehedgehog 04:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Right. So using fan names and "preferred" names over actual names is a no-no. Tsufurujin is the name, Tsufurians isn't used in any dub or media I am aware of, and Tsufurian doesn't maintain the pun any better than the other dub names. Let's not move the article around anymore, 'kay?


 * Daishokaioshin 10:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Wait... why are we using the Japanese name over the English just because it's closer to the pun? We use Namekian and Saiyan, so we should use Tuffle too, right? The intednded pun doesn't really matter. Whichever name would be more commonly known to an English speaking person is the name we should use, right?-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 18:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Because of the International dub. There's two English dubs, one for the US, and one for everywhere else that speaks English. The US dub uses Tuffle. The International dub uses Tsuful. Choosing one over the other shows prefrance for one dub over the other and a lot of the results for both on google aren't even Dragon Ball related, so someone decided to take the lazy way out and use the Japanese name. If we're going to change to one of the English dub names then I vote for Tsuful. It atleast keeps a little bit of the pun. Takuthehedgehog 05:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I support the move to Tsuful, it seems adequate enough. Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You're kidding right? Oppose-- SU IT  03:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Since when were we voting on a move? There will be no move. It isn't "being lazy" when one uses the CORRECT AND ACTUAL NAME FOR SOMETHING. Tsufurujin is the name of the race. "Tsuful" does NOT "at least keep a little bit of the pun". It's just as wrong as the other dub names.


 * Daishokaioshin 05:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Then why do we use Saiyan and Namekian? Tsuful just gets rid of the last two letters, so most of the name is still there. If we use Tsufurujin, we should use Siayajin and Namekujin, and if we use Saiyan and Namekian, we should use Tuffle or Tsuful. Takuthehedgehog 23:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You're right. You go right on ahead and start up a discussion on the respective articles about moving them to Saiyajin and Namekujin. I'll support the move. However, what names are used for those articles doesn't mean diddly about THIS article, which will continue to use the correct name.


 * Daishokaioshin 03:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, it does. If the international dub uses Tsuful, we should use it too. This is the English Wikipedia, Dai. The International is made for all English-speaking people, just like this Wiki is. I definitly support this move, and I think anyone who doesn't could use a bit more common sense.-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 05:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I know what fucking Wikipedia it is. Thanks for pointing out something that is blatantly obvious. You are the one who needs a bit more common sense. The "international dub" isn't the "original anime/manga." Is it too much for you to comprehend that the actual name for something should be used in place of idiotic and WRONG names? As Taku so kindly pointed out, choosing one dub name to use over another dub name is showing preference for dubs. Choosing one wrong name over another wrong name is imbecilic and should be avoided. Tsufurujin is the correct name. We will be using Tsufurujin. And we are not making a move, so you're supporting nothing.


 * Daishokaioshin 05:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Dai, you literally just told me that when I suggest using the International English dub name, on the International English Wikipedia, I am suggesting my personal preference. That really makes no sense to me. And I also think you're getting a little too defensive here. It doesn't matter what you think is "wrong". I think it should be moved, because I don't see any kind of legitmemit argument here... correct me if I'm wrong, though.-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 04:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay. I'm correcting you. You're wrong. :D Also, keep the personal attacks out of your edit summaries. If you don't see a legitimate argument, then you need to have your eyes checked, as it has been provided repeatedly. This is an encyclopedia. On an encyclopedia, you use the correct and actual name for things. Tsufurujin is the correct and actual name. "Tsufuls" is not. "Tsufuls" is an incorrect attempt to name Tsufurujin something, and which is used in one version of the dub. In another version of the dub, "Tuffles" is used. In an earlier version of the dub, they call them "Truffles". "Tsufuls", "Tuffles", and "Truffles" are all NOT TSUFURUJIN. Tsufurujin is used in the original anime, and, presumably, in the original manga, as the name wasn't just pulled out of nowhere. The ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL IS TO BE USED WHENEVER POSSIBLE. Because an "international English dub" uses a name does not mean ANYTHING. It is YOU who has failed to present any legitimate arguments as to why we should use personal preferences for certain dubs over the original source's information. We're not moving the article, and if anyone does move it to an incorrect name as you keep pushing for, it will be moved back. Get over yourself. :D


 * Daishokaioshin 00:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Dude, you really need to calm down. 0_o It's just a friggin' anime article, man. Why are you getting so defesnseive here? " You're wrong :D " and " Get over yourself :D "... what the hell, dude? I'm trying to have a discussion here and you're putting me down like my view doesn't matter, and like you're somehow superior to me. Cut me some slack, man. Not everyone has the superior intellect of the Japanese like you (sarcasm)...-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 23:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I said those things because you were acting arrogant, and were launching personal attacks against me. LIke you did at the end there in your most recent message. If you don't know what I'm talking about, making racial comments and implying a lack of intelligence are considered offensive by most people, including me. If you don't want me to be defensive, then try not saying things that are offensive. Discuss the article, not contributors, and if you continue with the personal attacks, I will report you, because I am really, really tired of bad attitudes from people on here. I don't log on here to get insulted and stressed out. I'm here to make Wikipedia a better place.


 * Daishokaioshin 06:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)