Talk:Tt30

re: "Let's keep the article on tt30, not a band"

Would you not agree that details on how tt30 came into the mainstream are relevant to the article? Certainly if I were researching tt30, I would be interested in the unique way in which the publicity worked (tt30 didn't know about the song until after it was released!).

If you need further evidence to substantiate this, I have emails from Joerg Geier (the Chairman of tt30 and Deputy Secretary-General of the Club of Rome), one of which states "This is great. I wasn’t aware of such interesting multipliers being aware of and interested in our work and concerns.  Plus I like Muse’s music.  Perhaps, we could do something together with Muse for the creation of a greater awareness of the problems we are concerned about!?", and from Matthew Bellamy (a member of Muse) confirming that the song is an homage to tt30.

(If you don't know what I'm talking about, look at the version that was just reverted back from, with the info about Muse.)

old deleted material
Old material, posted by a tt30 member from some of their (copyright) material:


 * tt30'
 * Mission


 * tt30, the young think tank of the Club of Rome (CoR), is composed of around 30 independent men and women around the age of 30 who are concerned about the problems of today’s world and are committed to working towards solutions to these challenges.
 * tt30 provides the CoR with the perspective and enthusiasm of the young generation in order to strengthen the position of the CoR as a global, non-governmental catalyst for change. tt30 spreads the ideas and ideals of the CoR into young generations. tt30, from the perspective of the young generation, establishes an agenda of topics that are central to the future development of the world and indicates possible ways to meet those challenges. In all its activities and projects, tt30 is guided by the fundamental principles of the CoR: holistic thinking, taking a global approach and a long-term perspective.


 * Activities


 * In the spirit of the mission statement, tt30 is a platform for debate on central issues of concern directly related to the future development of humanity. tt30 summarises these challenges in a ”Web of the Problematique” which is regularly being reviewed.
 * With concrete projects and statements to the public, tt30 focuses on specific issues of the ‘Web of the Problematique’ and proposes new ways and approaches to dealing with these central challenges.
 * The impact of tt30’s activities is aimed in three directions:


 * •	At the participants by integrating them into a global network of young people committed to working towards a better future;


 * •	At the Club of Rome by providing it with the perspective of young people;


 * •	At the general public by distributing its findings through the tt30 website, media and members networks


 * Structure


 * tt30 is a forum provided by the CoR. tt30 works under the supervision of the Secretary General of the Club of Rome and regularly reports to the Executive Committee of the Club of Rome and to the Board of the European Support Centre on its activities and receives their advice. tt30 regularly informs the members of the Club of Rome and its National Associations on its proceedings.
 * A co-ordinating team prepares the activities of tt30. This team has the administrative support of the staff of the European Support Centre (ESC) of the CoR in Vienna, Austria.


 * Participants
 * Participants of tt30 are between 25 and 35 years old. They are selected each year for one-year terms from all former participants and all new candidates by a Selection Group of three CoR members. The decision of this group is based on a recommendation by the Co-ordinating Team. On average, one-fifth of the participants are replaced with new participants each year. Former participants between the age of 36 and 40 may be invited as associates.
 * Currently, tt30 participants come from Asia, Africa, North and South America, the Middle East and Europe. They are involved in academia, the business sector, international, intergovernmental and non-governmental organisations.

The tt30 Internet site is tt30 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sj (talk • contribs) 19:41, November 20, 2006
 * Thanks! I've maimed it to a certain extent and thrown it in the article as a basis for future work, which I shall begin on shortly. (Though, being such a new organization, I kind of doubt that there will be terribly much more to add.) Ourai  т с 03:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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Removing memetics category
I am removing the memetics category from this article since you learn no more about the article's contents from the category and v.v. Since so many things may be memes we should try to keep the category closely defined in order to remain useful. Hope you're okay with that. The link to meme would be enough I suggest. Facius 10:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Refs since 2007
It's true that the tt30 blog stopped being updated in 2007. But sporadic publications and new sites related to the group/identity have continued since then. Perhaps this should be shortened slightly and moved into a section in Club of Rome? But not deleted without replacement. – SJ  +  18:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sj, I am so sorry for the delay in responding to you! I agree with you, that tt30 should be merged with the Club of Rome article, rather than deleted. I will respond separately to the other comment, by Who(m?) below. Thank you for your attention to my request. --FeralOink (talk) 06:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I was able to access the external link just fine without any 404 errors. Also, you can search the club of rome website and find references to tt30 seen here, which certainly proves the existence of tt30 outside it's own website. Not sure about merging, but the other reasons given for deletion are invalid. Although sources should be added. &laquo;&raquo;Who?&iquest;? 02:55, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, Who, I too was able to access the external link, that you mentioned, Cities To Last - TT30 - Sustainable Cities as well. However, when one tries to view any of the content on that page, as it consists merely of an image referring to a work of the TT30, e.g. clicking on either the image or the "more info" link, one is directed to this page, Cities to Last which states Object not found and
 * "Error 404 clubofrome.at Thu Jun 6 09:39:13 2013 Apache Contact the webmaster rs@daton-service.de"


 * Next, when I searched for TT30 on the Club of Rome website, it returned only one article, the same one mentioned above about Sustainable Cities, please see ClubOfRome search results for tt30. Another link provided by the Club of Rome website for TT30 returned a 404 Error: Page not found. As SJ mentioned, the TT30 blog has not been updated since November 2007, based on this entry, Sustainable Cities, Nov 2007 on the TT30 Typepad blog. I assume that is the blog to which SJ had in mind, TT30 Typepad blog, About with five individuals' names listed, as members. There was a TT30 meeting held in 2005, based on this Picasa web photo album of the event. I checked CiteSeerX, and found a single CiteSeerX reference to the activities of TT30, in 2005, although the linked document, Club of Rome, TT30, ICT Book 2005 returned an error 404 not found. On LinkedIn, there are four profiles of individuals who claim membership in TT30, only one of which, Martí Petit (LinkedIn profile) claimed to be a current member. I found a nice PowerPoint presentation by TT30 from 2007, available at a mirrored website, www.mrr.gov.pl/.../37dd3c6a51984b269c093e20bb61d26dITulbure_Pr... and authored by a person or company named Tulbure. Otherwise, I could find no indication of activity or references to TT30, with one very notable exception, Think Tank 30 Germany. Their website is up-to-date through March 2013. It is referenced by credible websites that are not Club of Rome, nor TT30 affiliated, e.g. Think Tank 30 of the German Chapter of the Club of Rome welcomes Constantin Blome as new member and in Goethe directory of German Think Tanks:
 * "think tank 30 Deutschland is an independent, non-partisan and autonomous network under the umbrella of the German Association Club of Rome for young people around 30 years of age, which is dedicated to the Club of Rome's principles and therefore to a comprehensive, global and long-term problem-solving approach to the challenges of our times. tt 30 seeks above all to include the perspectives of the younger generation. As a national body, it examines the specific situation of Germany and its responsibility – along the lines of think globally; act locally – within the framework of global problem horizons. Themes relating to sustainable development are treated on an interdisciplinary basis."
 * I don't know WHAT to make of this! I have no complaint or negative disposition toward the Club of Rome or TT30. If it is a primarily German organization, which is indicated by all my efforts to find evidence of activity, perhaps it deserves an article on German Wikipedia instead of here, while merging the English TT30 article with the English Club of Rome article. Note that the German Club of Rome related websites are all in the German language. That is merely an observation, an additional data point, and does not have any veiled connotation. --FeralOink (talk) 08:14, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

My guess is: the CoR decided to create this (global) group, but after the first few years the energy to create/support it was not sustained for very long. So the idea exists, and both a global and at least one regional group exist; but they are not very crisply defined. So: if you ask someone who is part of the organization they will likely know about tt30, at least as a historical entity and a concept. I think it would be fine for this to just be a section of the CoR article in all languages. – SJ  +  02:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, SJ!
 * That suggestion sounds very fine to me. I can go about the process of merging when I get around to it. If you would rather do so, I will bow to your Harvard J.D. credentialled-wishes. ;o) I was reading your blog a few weeks ago! Just tell me what your preference is, and I will comply. I'm not being entirely facetious, as I know certain subjects such as CoR garner excessive attention on WP and elsewhere as part of the Illuminati-Codex Alimentarius-New World Order-Bilderburg sideshow of conspiracy theories, and ultimately seem to end with condemnation of the Jews and pernicious Zionist plots... sigh. I am Jewish. I am not part of any elite NWO. I wish I were though! It would be very fun, more so than working as a statistician and fraud detector for a state health department's division for funding health care for children with special needs... I wish the NWO types, if they exist, would fund health care for children like the ones in our program, former program, that is; all were normal to bright, but had congenital or chronic and severe physically limiting medical conditions... and none had so-called "Aspberger's Syndrome" either!
 * Sorry, rant over. I can blank the bulk of this if you deem appropriate. --FeralOink (talk) 18:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello FO -- glad to hear you ran across my blog!  I will leave the merging to you; I don't recall what made me look up tt30 when this article was created, but I don't have any special affinity for the topic.   And good luck with your work.  Children deserve more support almost everywhere in the world.  –  SJ  +  07:28, 2 July 2013 (UTC)