Talk:Tubular pin tumbler lock

Picking a tubular pin tumbler lock
I intend to edit this article, but start here to see if there is any feedback.

The article says: "Such locks can be picked by a special tubular lock pick with a minimum of effort and a lot of time..."

In my experience as an ordinary citizen, with a not-even-amateur interest in locks, "a lot of time" is incorrect. The article should read: with a minimum of effort and time.

I asked my locksmith about the security of the "Ace" lock. He went into the back room and brought out an "Ace" pick. This device was invented, he said, by a high school student many decades ago. He used it to open a lock in about five seconds. Then he taught me how to use it. It took me a couple of minutes to learn how to use the pick. After learning, i opened several different locks. Each time it took me much less than a minute to open the lock.


 * I agree with you. I'm editing this article. Please add your info to this article - Tubular_lock_pick. By the way, it also states that opening an Ace lock is an easy and quick task. Kirils 18:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Illustrations
In all my googling, I have been unable to find any diagrams which actually show the inside of a tubular pin tumbler, so the illustrations in this article are mostly guesswork. I would be much obliged if someone familiar with this type of lock could steer me on the right path if I got them wrong. Thanks! -- Wapcaplet 15:42, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

--I've also never seen a real cutaway diagram, but in my years of working with these locks I've built a mental model that very well matches your diagrams. It might be worthwhile to make another diagram to show what happens if the lock is rotated 45 degrees (assumnig it's the octagonal model) without a key in the lock--the key pins will pop out into each other's holes, and the lock will have to be picked again.--67.180.142.97 09:41, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Actually it's a six-pin configuration, so it'd be 60 degrees, but that's a good idea. I'll see what I can do. -- Wapcaplet 18:39, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Actually an Ace lock
From what I recall of my locksmithing days many years ago, we called this an Ace lock. It was manufactured by the Chicago Lock Co. There have been other manufacturers of similar locks since then. Nice drawings! -- Fernkes 01:27, Jan 21, 2004 (UTC)

Check out this link for a picture: Ace Cam Lock -- Fernkes 01:31, Jan 21, 2004 (UTC)

Here is a link to a law suit that may provide some source information for your article: Chicago Lock Co. v. Fangerg -- Fernkes 02:34, Jan 22, 2004 (UTC)

Great illustrations
The illustrations added by Wapcaplet are great, but need some formatting. I think something like this would work:



I tried, but I just ended up screwing everything up. Someone better with formatting might want to give it a shot. :-)  &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 15:48, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)


 * Damn, I could have sworn I went back and made these into thumbnails after uploading the larger versions. I will fix. -- Wapcaplet 20:40, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

✅ I have tided up the illustrations in a multiple image template. I agree, Great drawings! Willh26 (talk) 08:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

History
We could do with a history section on the tubular lock? I will try and find a book or resource on it. Willh26 (talk) 08:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)