Talk:Tucker Carlson/Archive 1

Not a vanity entry
Pointing out that the Tucker Carlson in question is different from another Tucker Carlson who is the son of a well-know figure (e.g. MN governor Arne Carlson) is not a vanity entry! It took me a while to document this fact.CSTAR 14:26, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

205.188.117.12 entitled his or her revert of my edit &ldquo;The son of some small state governor (who isn't even a current governor) doesn't warrant inclusion in these pages.&rdquo; It may well be that the former state governor's son doesn't meet Wikipedia's criteria for warranting an article about him. The criteria for mentioning him ought to be easier to meet, but I have no idea what they are. I have added the information to the Arne Carlson article. Regardless of the appropriateness of his inclusion here, I'm fairly sure that it belongs there. Tim Ivorson 17:07, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I don't understand this thread. Was something deleted? User:Josebove


 * My comment is not an answer the the previous comment, but it addresses the same part of the article. Tim Ivorson 10:56, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Discussion
Why was the PBS show discontinued?--The_stuart 02:09, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A newbie hello, and a statement about neutrality
I'm new to Wikipedia editing and wanted to say hello. I am hoping the more experienced editors here will help me with what I am trying to do. I have entered information I found online about Tucker Carlson and added citations. I did this because I was a little disturbed at what to me looked like bias in Carlson's Wiki entry, and I always thought Wikipedia was a neutral fact source and prided itself on neutrality. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Jon Stewart fan, but the information I discovered about Carlson's confrontation with Stewart seemed very subjective and pro-Stewart to me. I entered and edited, and tried to present a more balanced account of the Crossfire event. I also tried very hard to objectify and balance other Carlson data so it would not reflect a partisan or pro- or anti-Jon Stewart slant. I hoped to make it as neutral and dry, and as balanced and fair, as possible. *Please* let me know if I did a satisfactory job at this, and remove what doesn't work. My aim is simple, to present neutral data on the Wiki subjects I come across. But I am so new here. I hope you guys will help me. Thanks for reading this, and hello to everybody. User: S 11:50, 20 Aug 2006 (MST)

CNN Will Cancel 'Crossfire' and Cut Ties to Commentator
This is an interesting article:

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CNN Will Cancel 'Crossfire' and Cut Ties to Commentator

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Summary: He quit last April, but stayed on until his contract expired. He's moving from CNN, possibly to MSNBC, because CNN is shifting its focus away from partisan commentary. Carlson's drop and Crossfire's cancellation were not "specifically related", [ according to Jonathan Klein, who also ] mentions that he agrees "wholeheartedly with Jon Stewart's overall premise" regarding their earlier exchange on the show.
 * Gunslinger47 22:05, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * According to the Jon Stewart article, it was Klein, not Carlson, who said he agreed "wholeheartedly" with Jon Stewart's "overall premise". Can anyone confirm?


 * Err.. Sorry. If you read the article I linked to, it clearly says "Mr. Klein" was the one agreeing.  I've altered my above summary.
 * Gunslinger47 22:33, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

New Jersey
Carlson now lives in New Jersey, not Virginia, according to Washington Post: . I think he lives in DC because when I was reading about The Chevy Chase Ballroom(on Wisconsin Ave.), the article mentioned that he practiced for Dancing With The Stars there. He was on that show after he joined MSNBC.

Links
It seems to me like there are way too many links at the end of this article. Anybody care to do some pruning? --MatthewUND 01:46, July 15, 2005 (UTC)


 * I think that many of them are meant as sources and should be kept. Some articles distinguish between sources and external links, but I don't understand the difference. Tim Ivorson 15:50, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


 * IMO, the difference between "External Link" and "Source" is that a Source is directly used; an External Link is closely related, but not a direct source for the exact information in the article. For instance, in fan fiction there's some articles about fan fiction from newspapers that weren't used as a direct source but are interesting and sourced themselves, as well as links to some of the larger fan fiction archives, and those are in "External Links". 63.21.88.131 02:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hair is AWESOME
Calling Carlson's hair "moppish" suggests that we live in a world in which mopheads are only two inches long. I am altering the description of Carlson's physical attributes. R 00:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

These links are clearly bias

Margaret's kid brother?
I always thought they were brother and sister. They did a cute exchange once in a while (I think they called it Carlson and Carlson or something like that.) He is right minded and she of course is very Left. They were so polite to each other and I asummed they were not tearing each other apart because they knew Mom would be watching.

Is she an Aunt perhaps? He is older than he looks. He is about 40.

Tucker IS NOT tied to Swanson Frozen Foods in any way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.100.11 (talk) 20:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Jon Stewart incident
Should we add something on his relationship with Jon Stewart under the "From CNN to PBS to MSNBC" heading? Rob 19:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

It was there, but was removed. Welcome to Wikipedia where fans always scrub entries. Sorry if I seem cynical but it happens.

Introduction
"Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson (born 16 May 1969 in San Francisco, California) is a libertarian pundit who currently hosts Tucker, a national television news show, which is broadcast weekdays at 4 p.m. and 6 p.m. ET on MSNBC.

Once known for his colorful bow-ties, which he stopped wearing in 2006, Carlson is generally considered one of the most recognizable conservative media personalties on American television."

Which is he - conservative or libertarian? What type of conservative? What type of libertarian? These are genuine questions from an article reader with no idea about the subject. The introduction has not clarified anything. Nach0king 14:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's really clear. He has personally identified himself as both on his show, as well as a "paleo-conservative", a reaction term to neo-conservatives. But I don't really see a problem with using both in the article. Most people can't be pegged and labeled in a neat manner.--GenkiDama 21:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

No offense GenkiDama, but that's a poor excuse for sloppy writing. It doesn't make sense to identify a person in general terms as a libertarian *and* a conservative. It might be appropriate to label a particular position of his as "conservative" or "libertarian," but those two sentences in the intro read almost as if they were lifted from two separate sources. I would refer to him as a "media personality," or something equally generic, and leave politics out of the introduction. People can decide for themselves, since he hasn't labeled himself. If he has labeled himself (perhaps inconsistently), that fact should be incorporated (and cited). --Skidoo 23:38, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

B.S. in History?
He has a Bachelor of Science in History? Are you sure? Usually history is a B.A. degree, not a B.S. --JHP 22:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Why is there a Colbert reference in his History?

Cleanup
Below are some factors to take into accoutn when cleaning up this article.


 * This article has a very short title paragraph.
 * Uncertain terms of praise etc.
 * Too many short paragraphs.

Please improve and discuss. Chavatshimshon 07:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've cut a number of paragraphs that seemed unnecessary and even redundant and made some other edits that I think address your points. ObjectivityAlways 17:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Under "National Television Career" section, "MSNBC's Tucker" Paragraph, the following line reads:

With a viewing audience far lower than any of the surrounding shows in the MSNBC lineup, News Corpse described Tucker as a ratings “Black Hole” that “sucks the audience into a space/time continuum and disgorges them from the TV universe.” [7] The final episode aired on March 14, 2008.

"News Corpse"--I doubt that is the name of the corporation. Not sure if this is an obscure attempt at humor or a simple misstatement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.132.54.222 (talk) 20:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * "News Corpse" is the name of the blog that is responsible for that quote. I would restore it to "News Corpse" in the article, but that source is not a reliable source so I'm removing the quote and the reference.-- aBSuRDiST  -T ☺ C- 05:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Biography assessment rating comment
WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive

No inline citations, The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 18:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Libertarian?
Just curious where anyone got the idea that he's a libertarian....as nothing about libertarianism is really even mentioned, and his standpoints don't mesh that well with libertarianism, either. 68.229.164.101

He refers to himself as a libertarian often on his show. --71.79.60.192 22:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I we know that he would, never, ever misrepresent anything about himself. lol Dlabtot 23:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Pay cut?
Did he make more or less switching?

FOR THE RECORD
When fact checking Tucker Carlson's attendance and graduation from Trinity College, I received the following from the registrar's office.

The Registrar's Office can confirm the following concerning Tucker Carlson Degree: BA Major: History Award date: 5/17/92 Dates of attendance: 8/87 through 12/91

I hope this is helpful.

Tucker later went on to join the NPC (National Pickling Championship) where after his second full season on the professional tour he was awarded a national championship. In the off season Tucker was stricken by injury and had to withdraw from competition unable to defend his crown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.145.26.154 (talk) 20:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Holly Colantonio Records Assistant Office of the Registrar Trinity College 300 Summit St. Hartford, CT 06106

(860) 297-2122 tel. (860) 297-5179 fax —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fuzheado (talk • contribs) 07:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC).


 * This article used to have an alleged quote about his college time. Was this decided to be bogus? "After four years", he has said, "I had met a lot of interesting people, gone to a couple of classes and restored a motorcycle, and that was it. And so I wasted my time at college." --Ty580 07:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Right, I noticed it disappeared as well. Not sure if it was because of accuracy or what. -- Fuzheado | Talk 03:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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Allegations of gay bashing
The title of this section - but not the content - does not seem to me to be NPOV. First of all, no one is 'alleging' that the assault place - Carlson is confessing to it. Second, 'gay bashing' is itself not a NPOV term. Perhaps the title should be changed to: "on air assault confession". Dlabtot 17:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Good point. Changed. --statsone 04:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

One wonders if he were sexually assaulted by a woman if he would react the same way... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.149.18 (talk) 18:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It is impossible for homosexuals to sexaully assault others. (Hmmm, doesn't sound quite as intelligent now) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.72.22.174 (talk) 02:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Wicca Removal
Good call. If the article every stupid, offensive, bigoted comment Carlson makes were to be included, he'd have the longest entry in Wikipedia... Dlabtot 21:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Tucker to Man up?
After the schooling Bubba gave Tucker today, Do you expect him to man up and get in some faces? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Klophjuy (talk • contribs) 21:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Wrong Date for Autobiography?
It seems to say that his Autobiography was written in 1990. That would make him 21 years old when he wrote it, which seems improbable. Even a man with Tucker's ego wouldn't try such a thing. From a search of the intertubes, it appears to have been written in 2003. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.163.245.222 (talk) 17:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Swanson
Can anyone find a resource that confirms Tucker's relation to the Swanson frozen food family that can be used as a reference? --The Lone Bard (talk) 20:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Irving Lewis Liebowitz?! and Richard Carlson fixation
This section in the family biography section needs to be better sourced and worded correctly, also the part about Richard Carlson is perhaps best placed on a Richard Carlson page of its own: "Richard Warner Carlson, who is best known for establishing the Irving Lewis Liebowitz defense fund, better known as Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff Lewis Scooter Libby defense fund. Richard Carlson has also been: a member of the Project for a New American Century and the PNAC offshoot Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a former banker, a Los Angeles local news anchor, U.S. ambassador to the Seychelles, director of the U.S. Information Agency, and president of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting."

Removed unsited NAMBLA reference
Said 'a board member if NAMBLE' on page, not visible when editing the page. Made a trivial whitespace edit, and saved Parared (talk) 12:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Dead?
There is absolutely no news on any of the national news outlets whatsoever mentioning the accident or Carlson's death? Is this another farce edit? What is going on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.174.175.149 (talk) 20:12, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It was reported on a satirical site (although they seem to misunderstand satire), which I won't link.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  21:40, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

College drop out
I'm going to change this sentence to the one below it:

"After graduation, he majored in History at the private liberal arts Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut."

"After graduation, he majored in History at the private liberal arts Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut, leaving without a degree."

I'll use this reference:

http://www.sonoma.edu/star/issue_03/punt_political.html

Because it's a living person, I want to give other users a chance to look at this first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.41.207 (talk) 23:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Vick Claims
How is the claim that Carlson's favorite NFL team is the Eagles and favorite player is Vick verified? That seems a little too convenient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lwriv7 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Autobio quote
Removed a very misleading quote from his autobio. The article claims that Carlson's book says that "young people such as himself have a 'hair-trigger for moral outrage'". This seemed unlikely to me, so I checked the book. Turns out he attributes this quality to *children* in an article about anti-smoking campaigns in schools. He never associates it with himself, or "young people" in general. 98.245.158.92 (talk) 03:21, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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Kurt Eickenwald's "interview"
The perfect "interview" - there should be the special page dedicated to this "interview" on Wiki.213.46.216.94 (talk) 09:35, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

UPD: One time undisclosed contributor removed the section, claiming it's not about Mr. Carlson, but Mr. Eickenwald. In fact, there are 2 parts in this case: Mr. Eickenwald playing his games, and Mr. Carlson - an accomplished interviewer, who, nonetheless, has not been able to do his job for once in his life. Next attempt to remove the section will be duly reported. (Mr. Eickenwald, if you think you're wise enough to avoid detection - well, think again). 213.46.216.94 (talk) 11:20, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

User213.46.216.94 is being blatantly partisan. Citations to this are from partisan sites, and is mischaracterizing the discussion.

I'm deleting this section, and will continue to delete it if it reappears. Wikileaks isn't a for fans (of either left wing or right wing pundits) to post their biased interpretations of their favorite TV memories............it breaks almost every rule in the book, so please do escalate if you don't agree with the deletion Cjmooney9 (talk) 17:18, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

For the record, it's being removed because most of the claims aren't referenced at all (they're the writers opinion) and it breaks POV rules. As in, I suspect liberal fans think Tucker lost the debate........and so on Cjmooney9 (talk) 17:19, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Dancing with the stars
That template message is idiotic and pointless. I'm going to remove it.  Lighthead  þ 04:47, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

I can't edit the page since it's protected, but the quote about Einstein is not by Grinenko, but by Carlson himself, per the linked article. Jake (talk) 22:07, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

False Narrtaive vs Reality
Have a segment on what the President actually said (show video) vs what WSJ, NYT and WP actually printed (show print) and what CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS said instead (show video) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.159.227 (talk) 18:58, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

English
please change ((English)), ((German)) and ((Swedish)) to ((English people|English)), ((Germans|German)) and ((Swedes|Swedish))
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: While the suggestion is clearly correct on the destination of the wikilinks,, I removed the entire sentence since it was sourced to a non-reliable source ( see here for more information). Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:40, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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He's banned from the EU and UK
He's banned from the EU and UK. Might want to include that in this American-centric article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8782:32DF:396D:54A3:AE32:708C (talk) 20:05, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Really? Cool! You can make an edit request for that inclusion if you provide a source for it. Saturnalia0 (talk) 22:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Email exchange including his brother and NYC mayor's office
In this edit content was removed on the grounds that it is about Tucker's brother and not about Tucker himself. I see that charge as spurious as this incident became news in large part because of Tucker's endorsement of his brother's language. It was a choice Tucker made. He choose to go on the record and comment. He's as active, if not more active, in this story as anybody else.

And that, not surprisingly, is how it was handled by multiple Reliable Sources that put Tucker in the lead or the title of their coverage: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/city-hall-aide-rips-daily-caller-boss-insulting-email-article-1.2162433 https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/03/tucker-carlson-brother-sent-profanity-laced-email-in-nicest-way-204536 https://nypost.com/2015/03/26/tucker-carlson-bro-caught-in-email-snafu-against-de-blasio-aide/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/03/31/daily-callers-tucker-carlson-still-chuckling-about-misogyny/

Please weigh in on the question of whether this content should be reinstated. (And, yes, what I dug up above is better sourcing than in what was edited out. We should use these sources.) &#91;&#91;PPX&#93;&#93; (talk) 16:03, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I propose it be added back in, edited as follows:


 * Carlson endorsed a misogynistic comment made by his brother, Buckley, about a spokeswoman for New York City Mayor Bill deBlasio. The spokesperson had asked for corrections to a story, and Buckley called her a "whiny little self-righteous bitch" and made sexually derogatory remarks. Tucker wrote that Buckley "meant it in the nicest way."  


 * Any suggestions before I implement this change? &#91;&#91;PPX&#93;&#93; (talk) 17:54, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2018
In section "Tucker Carlson Tonight," please update sentence: FROM: Tucker Carlson Tonight is the most watched cable program in the 9pm time slot as of March 2017. TO: Tucker Carlson Tonight was the most watched cable program in the 9pm time slot as of March 2017. It was overtaken by the MSNBC program "The Rachel Maddow Show" in March 2018. Source: Forbes Magazine article dated 4/4/2018. LINK: https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2018/04/04/rachel-maddow-beats-sean-hannity-takes-title-as-most-watched-cable-news-host/#467ce1e25eea DeniseXXXX (talk) 17:58, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Tucker is no longer at the 9 PM time slot. The whole section there needs a redo 98.109.89.42 (talk) 23:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

It is impossible for Rachel Maddow to overtake Tucker Carlson in ratings on 04/04/2018 as he was not at the 9 PM time slot; Sean Hannity is currently on the 9PM time slot - per the article you linked to. 98.109.89.42 (talk) 23:49, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: As mentioned above, Tucker is no longer even in 9 p.m. slot. I have revised the paragraph to reflect this. Waddie96 (talk) 14:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2018
Present text, under "Conservatism" heading":

Speaking to Salon.com, Carlson responded: "I liked McCain...."

Edit: Change verb from "responded" to "stated." The statement has no antecedent question and is therefore not a "response." Schuetz1619 (talk) 17:55, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done It is technically a response to a question in the Salon article, but you're right that since there's no antecedent in the Wikipedia article, this is the clearer language. MarginalCost (talk) 00:23, 1 June 2018 (UTC)