Talk:Tulu people/Archive 1

Cleanup
The article on Tuluva needs to be cleaned up a lot. What the writer has started is a good topic, but is extremely biased and not-neutral point of view. User:Abhijna


 * Okay! I started the topic. However, I'm not an expert on this case. So I was expecting somebody else to continue it. Please list out the biased points. What I feel many points are mixed up and need to be streamlined.

Manjunatha (26 Oct 2005)

"related groups" info removed from infobox
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all Infobox Ethnic group infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Family Tree Links
Since there is only about 2 million people that speak Tulu, I think it would be a good idea to start linking to various family tree links that Tulu speakers might have created. Perhaps somewhere along the way, they can be merged together as well.

Here is my family tree : http://theguru.tribalpages.com

Sakmoorthy (talk) 01:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
A user called C21K is editing this article, and is not having proper understanding of Tuluvas. He/She is deleting name of prominent Tuluvas by claiming then as kannadigas. This user should be blocked from editing is article and his/her edits should be undone.


 * Not vandalism,its really disgusting when you peoples claim kannadigas as tulus. go and promote your tuluvas(so called ?), there are many. C21K (talk) 23:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I added many tuluvas in the list, look at them and i also removed some non-notable tuluvas from the list. C21K (talk) 00:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Technically, it is possible to remove all of the people on the list (per WP:RS,WP:BIO) since none of them are sourced at all. However, I think it would be more constructive to try to find confirmation through reliable sources although this may be hard considering the minority status of Tulu speakers. Also, don't forget to be nice. :) Copana2002 (talk) 01:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Veerendra Heggade
apologies me for, I misunderstood heggade and hegde are same because both words sound similar. Heggade's are Tulu Jains who speaks tulugannada(dialect of kannada) & Hegde's are Kannada Havyaka Brahmins who speaks Havigannada(dialect of kannada) - C 21 K talk  11:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Whats tulugannada??? nice Innovation C21K. Hahaha.... Never heard that dialect of Tulu anywhere. - 94.97.125.67


 * You never heard because you are a dumb and deaf. before questioning me just do google search. Tulugannada is a dialect of Kannada. C 21 K talk  09:33, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Veerendra Heggade is a tulugannada speaker and Dharmadhikari of Dharmasthala. I've visited Dharmasthala 'n' times, whenever he gives speech in temple he always speaks in Kannada, but i never sawed heggade speaking tulu.
 * he received "Varshada Kannadiga award 2004(english meaning- Kannadiga of the year 2004) by ETV. ref->
 * I watched the video of Makkalotsav 07(telecasted in mangalore local channel) which was held by Kalajagattu Chinnara Bimba in mumbai many tulu ppls like aishwarya rai,gurukiran,manmohan shetty gives a speech in tulu, but Heggade is the only person who spoke in kannada.  C 21 K talk  10:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Just because you have never seen him speak in Tulu you can't come to the conclusion that he is a kannadiga. He might have spoken in Kannada in the forums you mentioned, since Kannada is the State language of Karnataka. He always speaks in Tulu when ever people go to consult him. Since most of the people visiting Dharmasthala nowadays are from Kannada speaking regions of karnataka, he speaks in kannada for all to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.97.125.67 (talk) 16:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey you are misunderstood kannadiga as whose mothertongue is kannada...its not.. heggade is not completely tuluva...he is a tulukannadiga [tulugannada speaker]  C 21 K talk  01:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

One of the main features distinguishing a Tuluva from a Kannadiga apart from language is Bhoota aradhane and other rituals, which is followed by Veerendra Heggde. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.97.137.27 (talk) 15:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Then whats the defination of kannadiga? Please let us know! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.99.38.147 (talk) 14:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I can give you many definitions

Kannadiga is one who speaks Kannada wholeheartedly and one who respects language,state and culture. for better understanding, some examples listed here
 * Kannadiga-> Mother tongue Kannada
 * Kannadiga-> native speaker of Kannada language (which includes Muslim kannadigas, christian kannadigas,Jain kannadigas..etc..)

Muslim kannadigas(Nissar Ahmed,Syed Kirmani,Shishunala Sharif) christian kannadigas(Roger Binny, Ferdinand Kittel, Robin Uthappa) Jain kannadigas(Veerendra Heggade)

according to you, he is tuluva. Ok,its fine, now tell me why did he received Kannadiga award of year 2004. Please answer. C 21 K talk 11:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

You said 'Kannadiga is one who speaks Kannada wholeheartedly and one who respects language,state and culture' just because a person respects and speaks kannada, he cannot be called a kannadiga. I, for that matter you also respect other languages and cultures. I can understand, speak and read Gujarati, by virtue of this I cannot call myself a Gujarati. This article is about the ethnicity. A person can have only one ethnicity.

He has received the Kannadiga award b'cause he lives in Karanataka. Ethnically he is a Tuluva. - 94.97.82.153


 * There are many peoples with multiple ethnics. C 21 K talk  11:34, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't even understand my argument... I guess you are feeble-minded ,sorry C 21 K talk  17:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * According to this source he speaks both Kannada and Tulu, making it difficult to list him as Tuluva or Kannidiga based on linguistic abilities alone. According to this source he also seems to be involved with a Tulu school in Karnataka. Without a reliable source, however, his ethnicity can not be confirmed. Remember the main points of WP:BLP: NPOV, verifiability, and no original research. Copana2002 (talk) 21:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * My opinion is same, He is both Tuluva & Kannadiga C 21 K talk  11:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes,He speaks both Tulu and Kannada. But the piont is which one is his mother tongue. kannada is spoken by him just because it is the state language of Karnataka. more over he follows many Tuluva triditions as followed by any other Tuluva. A person can have multiple ethnicities only in case of mixed marriages, which is not a case here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.97.137.27 (talk) 15:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Copyrighted texts
I removed three entire sections from this article as it is copied by User:Princeofdark07 from different websites.


 * "Origin of the word Tuluva" section - copied from http://controversialhistory.blogspot.com/2008/04/origin-of-world-tulu.html


 * "History" section - copied from http://www.boloji.com/places/0018.htm


 * "Culture" section - copied from http://www.boloji.com/places/0018a.htm

C 21 K talk 14:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)