Talk:Tunnelmental

Additional Edit to remove Discogs and Bandcamp references and confirm meeting the WP:BAND criteria
Following review by Theroadislong, the article has been edited and removed all references to Discogs and bandcamp.

Regarding WP:NBAND, having reviewed the Wikipedia criteria set out in the explanatory pages, the conclusion reached is that this article meets the requirements, as it fulfils not one but three of the stated minimums:

1) Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. - As confirmed by an earlier Wikipedia reviewer, 2 reliable citations are the BBC and LA Times, though there are a number of others which can be considered RS 2) Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. Tunnelmental's single 'Shite' entered the Billboard Dance Club Song Chart 11th July 2015 through to 12th September 2015. This reference has been added to the article.

6) Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. The musicians 'Jeff Stacey' and 'Craig Van Sant' are independently notable as they also were members of "Velvet Chain", which has it's own Wikipedia page due to the notability from having music broadcast on the TV program 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'

I will therefore now resubmit for further review.

Smartiperson (talk) 17:19, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Supplementary Edit to include cross-reference citation of founding memebers of Draft: Tunnelmental
The article now has a modified citation referencing an important RS for a supporting cross reference. The indie band 'Secret Troop' that two of the founding members of 'Tunnelmen' were in, held a reunion which was documented by the Newspaper 'Swindon Advertiser' (which appears in print and online). This additional reference gives background relating to the two members, referring to them by name and including a photo, and mentioning the fact that they left to form what became 'Tunnelmen' and visited L.A.

Smartiperson (talk) 13:23, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Further review of Draft: Tunnelmental by TheBirdsShedTears
Comment received: last fm, vimeo.com, LinkedIn, SoundCloud, Amazon, Spotify, eBay, and Apple music are user-contributed sources, therefore, they are not valid sources. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 12:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

The article has now been edited to remove all references to last fm, vimeo.com, LinkedIn, SoundCloud, Amazon, Spotify, eBay, and Apple music, as well as earlier facebook links. It is now resubmitted for further review and hopeful acceptance.

Smartiperson (talk) 11:43, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Review of Draft: Tunnelmental by WikiAviator
Following initial submission for approval and rejection by WikiAviator  talk, the following comments have been made:

The reason for rejection given was "Only 1 RS: the BBC one."

Since it was pointed out the apparent lack of RS, I have endeavoured to supplement, highlight move and remove citations in order to present the information in an enhanced way. As you have already noted, the minor stuff had the effect of masking the key points. In particular, I have removed the irrelevant facebook links which were not helping to verify the article itself. Thank you for your explanation of the difference between 'factual' and verifiable. I believe now that the remaining content is appropriately cited.

Given all the changes now made, I will resubmit this Draft article so the updated form can be given fresh consideration.

--Smartiperson (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

The initial review seems to have overlooked a couple of RS. These are:

1^ Eynon, Michelle. "Tunnelmental Defeat the Inefficiency of Crashing". digital-collections.csun.edu. Daily Sundial. Retrieved 30 November 2020.

This links to a pdf copy of the California State University published newspaper "Daily Sundial" dated Thursday, November 19, 1992. You have to scroll down to Page 9. Here you then find an important article which includes words and a photo relating to the original 3 members of the band, and their music EP release.

WIKIAVIATOR'S REPLY: THIS ONE IS GOOD TO GO, SORRY FOR OVERLOOKING IT.

Also:

12^ Ali, Lorraine. "In Search of the Hottest Music in Town : L.A.'s storied rock clubs fizzled in the pay-to-play '80s, but today's revitalized scene is thriving on a healthy dose of underground spirit". latimes.com. Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 30 November 2020.

The calls up an article published in the Los Angles Times newspaper dated march 13, 1994. Within this, a review of "The Auditorium" mentions the group and provides a quote from one of the original members.

Regarding the accepted RS from the BBC, that there are a total of 4 separate articles published on different dates, so these are multiple citations.

17^ Morris, Stephen. "Stephen Morris reviews Tunnelmental Experimental Assembly". BBC Gloucestershire. Retrieved 29 November 2020. [16th June 2010]

21^ "Cheltenham jockey returns to play at Wychwood Festival". bbc.co.uk. BBC Gloucestershire. Retrieved 30 November 2020. [4th June 2010]

26^ Morris, Stephen. "Stephen Morris on Tunnelmental Experimental Assembly". bbc.co.uk. BBC Gloucestershire. Retrieved 30 November 2020. [18th March 2011]

28^ Morris, Stephen. "Tunnelmental Experimental Assembly review". bbc.co.uk. BBC Gloucestershire. Retrieved 1 December 2020. [14th October 2011]

Additional references to the mentioned appearances at Wychwood Festival (2010) and also Alchemy Festival (2013) are also included, and have been updated since the site has been revised:

19^ "Wychwood Music Festival 2010: TunnelMental Experimental Assembly". efestivals.co.uk. efestivals. Retrieved 30 November 2020.

29^ "Alchemy Festival 2013". efestivals.co.uk. Retrieved 29 November 2020.

Within this site are the Performer's page, which provides a photo of the band.

There are a number of other citations used which have merit.

For instance:

34^ "T.E.A Time as Tunnelmental Experimental Assembly talks to WSR". wickedspinsradio.org. Retrieved 30 November 2020.

This provides an interview with the band, published by Wicked Spin Radio

3^ "Watch this! Tunnelmental new single 'a slice of perfect punktronica'". louderthanwar.com. Louder Than War. Retrieved 2 December 2020.

This provides a review of their music and describes it's genre, published by Louder Than War. [September 7, 2016]

37 ^ "SPILL CANADIAN MUSIC PREMIERE: TUNNELMENTAL – "AWAKE ME"". spillmagazine.com. Spill Magazine. Retrieved 30 November 2020.

This provides another article on the band's music, published by Spill Magazine.

41 ^ Franklin, Dave. "Pop by any other name from tunnelmental experimental assembly". theswindonian.co.uk. Retrieved 29 November 2020.

This provides a review of a music release and the band, published by The Swindonian [18th April 2019]

There are a number of cross-references with existing Wikipedia pages, most notably with Erika Amato and Velvet Chain, and cites a bio of a key member of both groups:

7^ "Jeff Stacy bio". velvetchain.com. Retrieved 30 November 2020.

Furthermore, there are many sources included relating to various music sites such as Bandcamp and discogs; these could be supplemented with an update to include other sites such as Apple iTunes, Deezer, Spotify etc. Whereas these might not classify as 'Citation', they do provide access to the relevant music released output of the band.

Finally, there are several references included relating to relevant facebook pages. Whereas these may not qualify as RS, they do at least provide supplementary reference information on the people referred to with the descriptive text, thereby providing a reference background.

In summary, I ask that the suitably of this article for publishing is reviewed again.

--Smartiperson (talk) 10:55, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

EDIT: Since the initial review, a few minor amendments have been made to the AFC: Draft:Tunnelmental

This citation from Michelle Eynon has been moved to the introductory section, since it provides a reference regarding the founding members of the band, the movement to LA and the related music EP. This is a key RS appearing in the California State University published newspaper "Daily Sundial" dated Thursday, November 19, 1992. 1^ Eynon, Michelle. "Tunnelmental Defeat the Inefficiency of Crashing". digital-collections.csun.edu. Daily Sundial. Retrieved 16 May 2021.

The citations relating to appearances at eFestivals have been updated to link back to the line-ups of performers highlighting attendance at these festivals by the band. These have been supplemented with an additional citation which links to the Performer's page. Although no forthcoming appearances are listed, there is at least a photo taken of a previous performance.

19^ "Wychwood Music Festival 2010 line-up and rumours". efestivals.co.uk. efestivals. Retrieved 16 May 2021

25^ "TunnelMental Experimental Assembly (performer's page)". efestivals.co.uk. Retrieved 16 May 2021.

29^ "Alchemy Festival 2013". efestivals.co.uk. Retrieved 16 May 2021.

This additional comment has been added to the Discography Section, highlighting that current music from the band is accessible on iTunes and Spotify and historical physical format music is listed on the ebay auction site. These locations have been identified in additional citations.

Much of Tunnelmental's more recent music can be found on various download and streaming sites such as Apple's iTunes [68] and Spotify [69] whereas earlier material may be located on physical media sold through auction sites such as eBay [70].

73^ "itunes artist tunnelmental". music.apple.com. Retrieved 16 May 2021.

74^ "Tunnelmental Songs, Albums and Playlists Spotify". spotify.com. Retrieved 16 May 2021.

75^ "TUNNELMEN - DEFEAT THE INEFFICIENCY OF CRASHING". ebay.com. Retrieved 16 May 2021.

--Smartiperson (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Moved this citation to introduction to reference type of music and the relaunch, and shortened the description. Also added additional citation copy to provide reference to Joy Mitchell's contribution.

2^ Carr, Nigel. "Nigel R Mitchell – Tunnelmental – Interview". Louderthanwar.com. Retrieved 19 May 2021.

42^ adminmimicnewscom. "Nigel R Mitchell – Tunnelmental – Interview". mimicnews.com. Retrieved 19 May 2021.

Added improved citation for music single Sting

35^ Franklin, Dave. "Sting – tunnelmental experimental assembly (reviewed by Dave Franklin)". dancing-about-architecture.com. Retrieved 19 May 2021.

Added additional background history citation

5^ "Flipside magazine interview of tunnelmental from 1996". tunnelmental.com. Retrieved 19 May 2021.

Moved Citation from John Robb to the introduction as this provides background for the relaunched band.

3^ Robb, John. "Watch this! Tunnelmental new single 'a slice of perfect punktronica'". louderthanwar.com. Louder Than War. Retrieved 19 May 2021.

Added additional citation for Advertising Junky, due to the original one being moved to the introduction.

36^ "Advertising Junky (It's a Trap)". amazon.com. Retrieved 19 May 2021.

Added Citation to involvement by Geordie Walker

10^ "Music Connection, The West Coast Music Trade Magazine". tunnelmental.com. Retrieved 19 May 2021.

Added citation to review in The Independent newspaper of the Wychwood Festival

20^ Perrone, Pierre. "First Night, Wychwood Festival, CHELTENHAM, The Independent newspaper". tunnelmental.com. Retrieved 19 May 2021.

--Smartiperson (talk) 08:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)