Talk:Tupac Shakur/Archive 7

name
BIRTH name is incorrect — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pany27336363 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

name
thank you for removing it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pany121 (talk • contribs) 22:06, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

1997 New Yorker Article
Hi, not particularly familiar with how talk pages work, so sorry if I'm doing this wrong. Just wanted to share a great source for more information that can be used in this article. It's a 7 July 1997 New Yorker article called "A Reporter at Large: THE TAKEDOWN OF TUPAC" by Connie Bruck. With a subscription, it can be accessed on the New Yorker's website: http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1997/07/07/1997_07_07_046_TNY_CARDS_000378550. For those without a subscription, a copy of the article appears to currently be available here: http://www.donmega.com/2pac/the-takedown-of-2pac.php.

It has info on the origin of Shakur as his last name (further elucidating how his name appears to have been changed from Lesane Parish Crooks), and just tons of details about events that the Wikipedia article currently seems have a tough time depicting due to lack of good sources. Some of the info can even be used to improve other articles, such as Afeni Shakur, Suge Knight, and maybe others.

I'm not a very prolific editor and didn't want to undertake alone adding info from this source into the article. It's a source of moderate length and I'm hoping by posting it here on the talk page, a community of editors will become aware of it and be able to use all the info in it to strengthen the article.

Ajr5491 (talk) 07:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, for his personal life he was engaged to Quincy Jones's daughter Kidada Jones at the time of this death.
Hello,

I've been coming across some information on various sites on the net and also on YouTube that Tupak was engaged to Kidada Jones, Quincy Jones' daughter at the time of his death, and this information is not contained in his personal life. One video I saw, Kidada Jones was quoted as saying that Tupac was "the love of her life" and "she didn't want to say good-bye". She was also quoted as saying she felt like she wanted to die upon hearing of his death and apparently she was by his side when he passed away. Pictures of the couple looked like they were very much in love.

If someone could add information to this effect about him being engaged to Quincy Jones' daughter at the time of his death and the nature of their relationship, under his personal life, that would be great thanks! I don't know how to add it - sorry!

(Joanna jo123 (talk) 16:18, 16 June 2013 (UTC)).


 * To add the information, a reliable source which supports any added content would need to be provided. See WP:RS. No problem if you don't know how to add content to the article, just give some link(s) to reliable source(s), and if they are suitable, and support this as notable content to include, the content can be added for you by another editor. Begoon &thinsp; talk  03:40, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Birth name/name
I do not know how to respond to the users who have replied to me above. I am grateful that the name has now been removed however his birth name should be "Lesane Parish Crooks". His mother then changed his name around when Lesane was around a year old to "Tupac Amaru Shakur" (after an important, historic soldier of some sort).

Can we not add his birth name back and name it as "Lesane Parish Crooks" ?


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. The consensus that resulted from your previous edit request was to remove the birth name from the infobox. If you have additional sources or comments that will change some peoples' minds in this discussion then feel free to offer them, but without a new consensus I can't grant your request. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 00:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Still alive and running the game — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.124.169.240 (talk) 16:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Lesane Parish Crooks was the name Tupac was born with, it was changed a year later after the last Inca monarch Túpac Amaru. I believe their should be some form of referencing to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.95.114 (talk) 00:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * There is. The article currently says: Shakur was born on June 16, 1971, in the East Harlem section of Manhattan in New York City. He was named after Túpac Amaru, a South American revolutionary born in the Viceroyalty of Peru, who led an indigenous uprising against Spain and was subsequently executed. Subsequent to Shakur's death, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department (as well as the official coroner's report, which lists "Crooks" as an aka) released his name as Lesane Parish Crooks
 * Please read the discussion above for the reasons we removed the name from the infobox "Birth name" field. We do, however, cover everything you mention above, except the use of the term 'Birth name' since we have been unable to find a suitable source for that being correct. (you got the wrong Tupac Amaru, I think - but I made the same mistake when I first looked at that...) Begoon &thinsp; talk  01:25, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

In reference to his name Tupac Amaru
In the section "Early life..." please note that Tupac Amaru was not a "Peruvian", because when Tupac Amaru lived "Peru" did not exist yet as an independent country.

It would be better to say "named after Tupac Amaru, a native South American of the Andes who led a revolution against Spanish Colonialism"

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.12.217 (talk) 21:34, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ (but I used Viceroyalty of Peru - per our article: Túpac Amaru II) - Thank you. Begoon &thinsp; talk  03:54, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I do not think to mention "Viceroyalty of Peru" is either helpful or relevant for Shakur's article, but it is fine. It would also be good to mention that Tupac means "brilliant, resplendent" in both Aymara and Quechua languages, both Andean languages. Amaru means snake in Quechua. This info is even available in the Tupac Katari Wikipedia article. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.5.71 (talk) 22:04, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You make a fair point about "Viceroyalty of Peru" being a little obscure, and it doesn't correspond to modern Peru, so I've altered the text slightly, a bit closer to your original suggestion: "He was named after Túpac Amaru, an 18th century South American revolutionary who led an indigenous uprising against Spanish rule, and was subsequently executed." How does that look?
 * I can't think of a way to introduce the various meanings for the names which you mention without the passage seeming somewhat clumsy and over-detailed - perhaps you had some wording in mind which will work? Begoon &thinsp; talk  01:53, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 July 2013
Can someone remove the images of East Harlem and Bellevue Hospital from the article? We don't need them in a biographical article just because Shakur was born and raised in the former and hospitalized in the latter.

24.146.209.199 (talk) 17:27, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Signalizing (talk) 18:06, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Shakespeare
Is it worth noting that Shakur describing Macbeth as "...a tale about this king's wife who convinces a happy man to chase after her and kill her husband so he can take over the country... the king's wife just screws this guy's whole life up for nothing…” pretty much proves he skimmed that text, at best?41.160.168.182 (talk) 18:45, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Poetic Influences?
Is there anything to suggest that the list of poets that apparently influenced him is true? I've seen that it has been needed to be cited for a long while. There seems to be no evidence of this in his biography or in any of his documentaries. Seems like someone has just added this as a sort of bogus filler. Kaleidoscopic God (talk) 16:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2014
The sexual assault section contains the following sentence, without citation:

"In the ensuing trial, Shakur was found innocent of seven counts of sodomy and other charges, however he was found guilty of sexual abuse for the "unwanted touching of the buttocks."

I proposed it be replaced with the following sentence:

"In the ensuing trial, Shakur was convicted of first-degree sexual abuse, but acquitted of weapons and sodomy charges."

With the following source reference:

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/02/08/nyregion/rapper-faces-prison-term-for-sex-abuse.html

Thanks!

72.66.75.39 (talk) 00:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 15:09, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Poor grammar...
"Shakur has sold..." This implies that he's still alive. s/b "Shakur sold..."
 * Are you claiming that Shakur stopped selling the minute he died? "Shakur has sold..." refers to the music and the albums, not that he personally sold anything.  — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 22:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2014
On this Wikipedia page it says Tupac's name is Lesane Parish Crooks. Tupac's real name is Tupac Amaru Shakur.

2601:2:5880:18C:D5FC:A001:66A8:4AB1 (talk) 17:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, Tupac's birth name is "Lesane Parish Crooks" according to the cited independent reliable sources. Do you have sources that say otherwise? — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 17:37, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Broken Citation on 2pac 1992 shooting
Here is the source for the broken citation on 2pac 1992 shooting:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ueYgX5CN0rsC&pg=PT10&lpg=PT10&dq=Ballistics+tests+proved+the+bullet+that+killed+the+boy+was+not+from+Shakur%27s+or+any+members+of+his+entourage%27s+gun&source=bl&ots=WsKqZKtPnE&sig=SmLEgUy38mK5hW5bH7lC8cjXF2o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AJL9Uoi6BensyQGS8oGwCw&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Ballistics%20tests%20proved%20the%20bullet%20that%20killed%20the%20boy%20was%20not%20from%20Shakur's%20or%20any%20members%20of%20his%20entourage's%20gun&f=false

If someone could fix it, that would be nice.

141.217.233.72 (talk) 03:50, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

The book itself contains no source for this allegation and is a self-published work (Lulu) so simply represents the author's opinion. The defense attorney at the time acknowledged that the bullet came from Shakur's gun. I am providing appropriate citation from the local paper and amending accordingly. R.I.P. Qa'id Walker Teal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrwhoohoo (talk • contribs) 14:46, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I have also removed the sentence suggesting that Shakur was 'haunted' by the incident, since it is unsourced. I have also removed the assertion that "The Good Die Young" and "Nothing to Die for" were dedicated to 6 year-old Qa'id Walker Teal R.I.P. "The Good Die Young" is dedicated to the victims of the Columbine massacre. Since the supposed 'link' is broken, I have also removed the first half of the previous sentence. The resulting paragraph simply asserts known facts, from reputable sources, instead of reading like an argument from a defense attorney. Mrwhoohoo (talk) 15:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Tupac Isn't Dead
This article has it all wrong. Tupac isn't dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.219.22 (talk) 08:28, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Prove it. 174.52.115.192 (talk) 04:54, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

It's more of a spiritual statement than a verifiable fact. Pagen HD (talk) 13:49, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

2Pac's picture should be changed to a picture where you can at least see his face! the picture you guys got make it look like his head is about to explode like nitro! http://cs411521.vk.me/v411521191/494e/ODuPqT4CkoI.jpg

http://www.everyinstrumental.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/2pac.jpg

http://s3.hulkshare.com/song_images/original/b/0/9/b09f827f0d1d6c55c2dd88c1b3252aed.jpg?dd=1388552400

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/09/tupac.jpg

These are just some picture there are plenty more on GOOGLE

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2014
The URL is malformed : www.2Pac .com INSTEAD OF www.2Pac.com The space must be removed for the link to work.

88.164.185.183 (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done I also fixed the rest of the URLs that were like that. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:11, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2014
Please change the text of Footnote 80 to the following (but link to the same article):

Josh Nisker (2007), "'Only God Can Judge Me': Tupac Shakur, the Legal System, and Lyrical Subversion." The Journal of Criminal Justice and Popular Culture, 14(2), 2007

Thank you.

99.226.195.150 (talk) 01:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thank you. (note that in the future, when placing a request, the "answered= " parameter  should say "no" not "yes" to get the question placed on appropriate queues where people will see it.) --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  01:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thoughts about this info
Apparently, this is Tupacs Last Words, is it alright to add this in the article? TwinTurbo (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Can probably add to the article
In 2014, the cop who witnessed Shakur's last moments revealed that the rapper refused to tell the police who shot him, instead only offering one expletive. 24.215.188.243 (talk) 00:24, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

2pac is in more films
if u check the 2012 version of this page he is in more shows and vids he also appeared on the arreason show too twice — Preceding unsigned comment added by Df2397 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Getting shot is a legal issue????
how?? no its not the 94 shotting should be somewhere else as its not a LEGAL issue

Df2397 (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)df2397

2Pac had a fiance
Kindda jones was his finac at the time of his death this shouold be iin personal life

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/magazine/the-pop-diplomacy-of-quincy-jones.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&ref=magazine&adxnnlx=1348702814-OftQRkHPbETR3+RcM6GgVA&

he also wore bullet proof vest after his first shootin all the time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Df2397 (talk • contribs) 12:22, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

No activist work
this artlice says none of the things 2PAc have done to make him an activist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m2OUSZ5WR8

i think this links shows he is an actvist it shud be sed he did a speech

Df2397 (talk) 12:25, 24 June 2014 (UTC)df2397
 * We need a reliable third party source that analyses his words and works and makes the claim, not our own interpretation of his words. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:23, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

a new sub section called 'Work ethic'
like Dr.Dre i think he should have one 2PAc work harddddddddddd thru out his career made soo many songs at the same time as doing movies

All eyez on me took 2 weeks to make and 7 day theory took 7 days to make

thats fuckin amazin
 * We compile what others have noted about the subject not our own interpretations or evaluations. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:26, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Hologram Tupac
The 'hologram' of Tupac has a common name on the internet, and that should be a redirect to the Legacy subsection, or to a 'posthumous career' bit, or something specifically about the Coachella appearance. Also, some links: ~ender 2012-07-12 17:20:PM MST
 * http://gizmodo.com/5902625/tupac-hologram-wasnt-a-hologram
 * http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2012/04/17/150820261/how-that-tupac-hologram-at-coachella-worked
 * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1683173/tupac-hologram-coachella.jhtml
 * date stamping -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:27, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Broadway Musical
I don't see a mention of the Broadway musical based on Tupac's lyrics. It seems to me to be worth a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lciaccio (talk • contribs) 22:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliably published third party source? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:22, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess I'll look it up.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-04/the-death-of-the-tupac-shakur-broadway-musical-solved

http://www.broadway.com/shows/holler-if-you-hear-me/

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/186260-Tupac-Shakur-Musical-Holler-If-Ya-Hear-Me-Will-Play-Broadways-Palace-Theatre

http://www.mtv.com/news/1868195/tupac-broadway-closing-holler-if-ya-hear-me/

I've never understand why a page caretaker only ever says, "Where's your reference?" and then not look it up. I would think that the page would want the most updated info available. $0.02 Robertvincentswain (talk) 00:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Title of book misspelling ?
remembering ?missing "M"66.74.176.59 (talk) 07:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2014
Bouba94000 (talk) 10:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:54, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not requested a change.

There Needs to Be Concensus On The Fact That It Was Reported That a living person is alleged to Admitted To Ordering the 1994 Assault Against Shakur
So far I have found no criticism from any reliable resource on the claim Phillips made. Despite his controversial past, the claim has not been debunked and was further enhanced two weeks later by a Huffington Post article. Henchman was under trial at the time for drug trafficking and testimony is recorded by court reporters, so if there is a source acknowledging he did not testify this, please report it. Wikipedia is rapidly losing editors because of disagreements like this and in order to reverse the flow, we need to cooperate.JoetheMoe25 (talk) 22:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Not gonna happen. The person "reporting" is the same person who had to apologize and retract an earlier allegation connecting the two people and he blames the incident on ruining his career. He is NEVER going to be a reliable source on this issue. In addition his story is in a blog. That is not appropriate sourcing for a BLP. And further in addition, the accusations are based on third hand reports of what someone told the reporter that he heard someone else say. That kind of hearsay in and of itself makes the claims unacceptable. Together they are a complete and utter NO FUCKING WAY. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  22:09, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's not relevant. There needs to be consensus. The fact that the Huffington Post repeated with extra detail is a valid justification.JoetheMoe25 (talk) 22:45, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If you think that is not relevant, you apparently have not read our WP:RS guidelines, particularly Identifying_reliable_sources where this  fails all three aspects. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmm... Huffington Post is known to not be reliable, however, as far as sources go, it a three part definition, the work, the writer, the publisher.   The work is in a blog, and blogs aren't known to be the most reliable source on the face of the eart,  the author is an investigative reporter for the LA Times, that makes him reliable. The publisher of the blog is the Village Voice with is also reliable.  By our definition, that would make this reliable (not the Huffington Post business, but rather, that it's a reliable reporter posting in a a reliable news source site.  ).    Don't know, TPOD, it looks to be reliable. KoshVorlon   Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 17:57, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The author WAS a reporter for the LA Times - before he left after a scandal where he and the paper published claims about the very same man involved here that the paper retracted and apologized for. The reporter then goes on to blame the scandal ruined his career.  He has a grudge and is not in any way shape or form a reliable source on this subject. In addition, even if he was, the story itself is that some unnamed person who claims to have been in the courtroom overheard someone say something. That third hand tale is what Phillips is basing his new claims on and would be unacceptable hearsay even if Phillips had no previous inappropriate connections to the story. and as a three part definition "Any of the three can affect reliability" and what we have is all three parts are affecting the reliablity - towards non-reliability and clearly not acceptable for accusations of felony charges against a living person. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  21:14, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Blac Haze
Should Blac Haze be mentioned as sounding like Shakur and according to some conspiracy theories a front rapper for Shakur? There's also a lot of misinformation floating around about him and I've found confirmed information and put it into his article. Bozo33 (talk) 02:12, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Sadly it was deleted despite it wanted to be kept for a while, I'm going to put in a deletion review, and if not I want this to get undeleted. Bozo33 (talk) 03:30, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It was deleted because you plagiarized the sources you cited, and the sources you cited were mostly user generated sources or otherwise unreliable. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:34, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2015
Please remove the following section of copy. It is not accurate and misrepresents the connection between Molly, Liza, and Tupac. "Shakur befriended two sisters, Liza and Molly. For Lisa, he made an answering machine message for her in hip-hop style. Molly would become his personal assistant. She interviewed him for a project where he said he would change the world."

JeremyKSmith (talk) 20:34, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Done, since it was unsourced. -- Sam Sing! 10:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

a Clearer picture should be done
2Pac's picture should be changed to a picture where you can at least see his face! the picture you guys got make it look like his head is about to explode like nitro!

http://cs411521.vk.me/v411521191/494e/ODuPqT4CkoI.jpg

http://www.everyinstrumental.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/2pac.jpg

http://s3.hulkshare.com/song_images/original/b/0/9/b09f827f0d1d6c55c2dd88c1b3252aed.jpg?dd=1388552400

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/09/tupac.jpg

These are just some picture there are plenty more on GOOGLE

The last link is the best (of course you cant add them because of copyright issues), but if it's all clear and the copyright allows you to do it then by all means. The previous picture of him was way better, I dunno who the idiot was that decided the current one was better. Kaleidoscopic God (talk) 00:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

So they don't give one proper picture anywhere in the article, making him look like a crazy drunk, a mystery, a shade. Wait why am I surprised? About right for a black man in American. Right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.2.74 (talk) 04:49, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * For god's sake yes, please change the picture. That this is still being talked about is beyond me. Where are the Admins?
 * See the previous comment - Do you know of a copyright free image that can be used? It does not need an admin just an image that can be used so there is no need to blame it on racism on behalf of the many people of all colours and creeds that edit wikipedia. noq (talk) 07:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

He's DEAD. I don't think copyright will be an issue. Akmal94 (talk) 07:59, 19 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Copyright is held by the person who took the photograph, as it is considered their work, not the subject's. JesseRafe (talk) 21:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Request to rename article
All of his albums/signles he was credited as 2Pac; and iTunes bill him as 2Pac; wouldn't it make sense to rename the article to 2Pac as that is the most common way his stage name went as? In calling the article 2Pac as that is what he was billed as during his career Kandi  well  16:46, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose - 2Pac's discography, sure, but this is an article about Tupac the person who did a lot more than just record albums. He acted and wrote under this name, and it is his official name, so it has more than enough tie-breakers and is neutral. See Article titles. JesseRafe (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, this issue has come up numerous times, and historically it has been decided that Tupac Shakur is the best choice. 2006, Talk:Tupac_Shakur/Archive_3, 2008 Talk:Tupac_Shakur/Archive_5, 2010 Talk:Tupac_Shakur/Archive_6. JesseRafe (talk) 17:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Remove direct quote from a source article
The "Personal Life" section contains a direct quote from an article to which it links; and the quote itself is, in my opinion, too colorful and opinionated for Wikipedia:

> His bandana tied into rabbit ears struck mythic chords and remains one of hip-hop's most recognizable style flourishes to date.[90]

His bandana may be worth mentioning somewhere in the page; but a source article should not be plagiarized like this.

Mmorearty (talk) 12:58, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2015
2pac Amaru Shakur is found to be living in Cuba.

Maake 10:51, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 12:41, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Tupac Shakur was married to Tamieka Shakur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.198.153 (talk) 23:42, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

ONE NATION
We should add to hello mate something to this page that has to do with Tupac's future (planned) album for 1997 with Outkast, etc. Someone who can edit please do this. ProBroBroccoli (talk) 23:34, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

tupac was so freaking sexy ugh..... --8.36.192.42 (talk) 18:21, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Tupac Shakur married Hawa Shakur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.198.153 (talk) 23:44, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Acting Career

In addition to rapping and hip hop music, Shakur acted in films. He made his first film appearance in the motion picture Nothing but Trouble, as part of a cameo by the Digital Underground. His first starring role was in the film Juice. In this film, he played Roland Bishop, a violent member of the Wrecking Crew, for which he was hailed by Rolling Stone's Peter Travers as "the film's most magnetic figure".[73] He then went on to star in Poetic Justice and Above the Rim. After his death, three of his completed films were released: Bullet, Gridlock'd, and Gang Related.[74][75]

Shakur had been slated to star in the Hughes brothers' film Menace II Society, but was replaced by Larenz Tate after assaulting Allen Hughes as a result of a quarrel. Director John Singleton mentioned that he wrote the script for Baby Boy with Shakur in mind for the lead role.[76] It was eventually filmed with Tyrese Gibson in his place and released in 2001, five years after Shakur's death. The film features a mural of Shakur in the protagonist's bedroom, as well as featuring the song "Hail Mary" in the film's score.[77]

In the year 1994, Tupac collaborated with his older brother Mopreme, Macadoshis, and Skye on the rated R "Thug Life Project." During this same time frame, Shakur began moving up in his acting career. He most recently performed as Bishop in Ernest Dickerson's Juice. Tupac also made an appearance in, director John Singleton's movie, Poetic Justice, which also casted Janet Jackson. Shakur had his share of mistakes as well in the movie industry. He was removed from the set of Allen Hughes Menace II Society because he attacked the director. He received 15 days in jail after this incident in February 1994. He did however, make it on the final cut of the Basketball movie Above the Rim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholasschwartz (talk • contribs) 04:03, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 5 one external links on Tupac Shakur. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
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Billy Garland
Does anyone know why the edit history of Billy Garland is not viewable? MB298 (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2016
101.183.62.150 (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC) tupac wrote a song about respected his parents but was soon delated when the some unfortunate events had occurred to the family More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:37, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2016
should be added to the 'Murdered Musicians' Category.

Teddiii (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: He is already in Category:Murdered rappers --Majora (talk) 00:31, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Image...
The image currently in the infobox looks like it kind of caught Tupac off guard, and a better image could likely be used under fair use (for example, upload a fair use image from another language Wikipedia onto the English Wikipedia). MB298 (talk) 00:23, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Currently it's a rollercoaster. Lead images change almost evry week, we need to find one with good facial expression and composition and stick to it. Brandmeistertalk  13:35, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The one used on here seems to be one of the most commonly used images of Shakur. MB298 (talk) 01:31, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2016
PLEASE ADD "He" to "was born on June 16, 1971, in the East Harlem section of Manhattan in New York City.[16]" in the Early Life section.

PLEASE ADD "after his mother married Mutulu Shakur, who became the baby’s stepfather, she changed her name to Afeni Shakur and her son’s title to Tupac Amaru Shakur." to "he was renamed after the last Incan emperor.[13][14][15]" in the early life section

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2016
2pac is married to kaleigh

Kaleigh1234 (talk) 19:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
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Fan-artist picture
Why is there fanart posted by it's creator on this page? --Insert7141 (talk) 16:24, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2016
72ancountin (talk) 16:59, 6 April 2016 (UTC) Tupac shakur was also married to LaNiya Crooms before his first wife --72ancountin (talk) 16:59, 6 April 2016 (UTC)--72ancountin (talk) 16:59, 6 April 2016 (UTC) Moreover - how can he have been married "before his first wife" ? - Arjayay (talk) 17:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2016
154.72.169.62 (talk) 20:08, 8 July 2016 (UTC) iwanted to read2pac song's
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Article Title
The articles related to Tupac Shakur should be renamed. I think that usually an article is named according to a musician's stage name and not his real name. In this case, Tupac Shakur is the real name whereas 2pac is the stage name. I call for all Tupac(-related) articles to be renamed to 2pac(-related). For example, let's compare to another artist - Snoop Dogg. His real name is Cordozar Broadus. We do not see any articles titled "Cordozar Broadus discography" or "List of awards and nominations received by Cordozar Broadus". — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMagnificentist (talk • contribs) 06:56, 10 August 2016 (UTC) TheMagnificentist (talk) 06:56, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * "2Pac" is a variation on his real name – Tupac. Usually, he is referred to as Tupac, 2Pac, or Tupac Shakur, while Snoop Dogg is almost exclusively referred to as Snoop Dogg. MB298 (talk) 23:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

A Pac Community
A community where each member involved must style and person the culture of Southern California in the 90s when Tupac was highly recognized as a culturally influence. Typical styles include backwards hats, blue overalls, greenand yellow shoes. Blaze jackets, cigarette smoking, black sedans and colorful wear. The music that plays is rap, with a makavelian sound, it is a christian community that hails the mother Mary, and are close to Jesus. A pac community smoke weed, and the chosen drink is Alizé Bleu Cognac Liqueur. Religious freedoms include Christianity and islam, though there is a fear of reincarnation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoundBytes85 (talk • contribs) 01:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Name
We currently have "... in 1401, he was renamed after the last Incan emperor.... He was named after Túpac Amaru II, the 18th-century Peruvian revolutionary who was executed after leading an indigenous uprising against Spanish rule."

Tupac Amaru and Tupac Amaru II are different people - was he named after one or the other (or both) ? -- Beardo (talk) 03:50, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Not to be confused with IUPAC :-)P
 * —DIV (120.17.29.89 (talk) 14:14, 7 August 2016 (UTC))


 * Anyone know the origin of the name "Shakur"? The possibility that makes the most sense to me and is in line with the inspiration for "Tupac" is that the eponym was 'Abd Allah II ibn 'Ali 'Abd ash-Shakur. In Arabic, شَكُور ‎(šakūr) apparently means "thankful", just like شَاكِر ‎(šākir), whose feminine form Shakira was named after (as her article notes); compare ش ك ر. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:04, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2016
ad is tupacs son — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.113.82.74 (talk) 11:37, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2016
Nader Abihana (talk) 23:57, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
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2pacs heritage
2pac was not of european descent 2pac was a proud african american i would like his ancestry to be changed to african american the two other ethnicities are complete bullshit its offensive because it seems there trying to whitewash tupac and im not having it to white wash him is to downplay everything he fought for and beleived in please change this out of respect for him and his late mother afeni shakur Nezahualcoyotl truth (talk) 22:42, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

As soon as afeni shakur passed away i noticed that on wikipedia his ancestry was changes tupac has no known descendants and his mother who would have seen this would have changed it now stop trying to re write history tupac was a black man and nithing more his love was fir his people and he dedicated himself to healing his people Nezahualcoyotl truth (talk) 22:47, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Done. DanJazzy (talk) 01:21, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Wallace?
A few times the article mentions someone named "Wallace" without any context of why this person is being mentioned, I assume it's the real name of someone already named by their stage name, but it's very confusing to not explain who this is in a general encyclopedia.68.51.193.141 (talk) 19:40, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2016
207.166.26.144 (talk) 16:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC) he died in october 5 2016 and left two kids with his wife and never regrets wshat he came fro
 * - Provide a reliable source to support the statement. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  17:01, 9 December 2016 (UTC).

Requested move 4 January 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved Fuortu (talk) 15:33, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Tupac Shakur → 2Pac – The rapper's stage name is shown as "2Pac" on all his releases and merchandise with the number always shown, rather than "Tupac" or "Tupac Shakur". Plus, "Shakur" is not really part of his stage name. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:A9DF:9911:EDFC:84F0 (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The article's references generally use the full name. For information, this was also debated previously in 2012, with a suggestion to move to Tupac, at Talk:Tupac Shakur/Archive 6 but the consensus was the current title back then. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:12, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. His common name was overwhelmingly Tupac Shakur. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:05, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose move. He is commonly known as Tupac Shakur.  ONR  (talk) 03:28, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. known as tupac shakur, nickname is prominent but not as central as this name.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:34, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2017
"The feature-length documentary "Tupac: Resurrection" took in almost $5 million on its opening weekend, and its accompanying soundtrack sold more than 435,000 copies in its first week." Ref: Caramanica, Jon. "Rock & Roll: Tupac Still Hot in 2003." Rolling Stone, Dec 2004, pp. 22. Nemethl (talk) 17:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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Edit Request: Assata Shakur is Tupac's godmother, not mother.
In 'Early Life' section the following sentence:

Mutulu was wanted for having helped his sister Assata Shakur (also known as Joanne Chesimard), Tupac's mother, to escape from a penitentiary in New Jersey in 1979.

Should be changed to

Mutulu was wanted for having helped his sister Assata Shakur (also known as Joanne Chesimard), Tupac's godmother, to escape from a penitentiary in New Jersey in 1979. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:3C9:8202:A5A0:36DE:1AFF:FE17:E35 (talk) 11:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2017
Check out Tupac interviews on Youtube. 208.122.92.96 (talk) 13:17, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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Check out Tupac interviews on Youtube. 208.122.92.96 (talk) 13:17, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2017
Within section Career 1987-93: Beginnings and rise to fame

In first paragraph, after "..album Sons of the P", should move sentence

"Shakur went on to feature Shock G and Money-B from Digital Underground in his track 'I Get Around', which ranked #11 on US Billboard Hot 100."

to the more relevant third paragraph where it mentions the song "..and reached platinum status.". Edit the end of this sentence to "..'I Get Around', where it reached platinum status." and continue with previously moved sentence of "Shakur went on to feature..".

Rewrite the subsequent sentence in the first paragraph "Later, he released his first solo album, 2Pacalypse Now." to

"This would follow with the release of his first solo album, 2Pacalypse Now'."

and continue with the remaining part of the first paragraph as shown on the page. 2A02:587:2C0B:1A00:C19D:5DDA:FE2F:1637 (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ The proposed changes do not improve the completeness of the discussion and break up the prose in a confusing manner. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:42, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Was also a poet
Tupac Amaru Shakur was also a poet on top of being a rapper and an actor. Reelesteel (talk) 10:27, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Lead sentence
I just cleaned up the lead sentence. It originally stated "rapper, record producer, actor, activist and poet." The guideline WP:BLPLEAD is very clear on this issue. The lead sentence should describe the person as he/she is commonly described in reliable sources. Also, it directs that the lead should not be cluttered with roles that are not integral to the person's notability, instead, emphasize what makes the person notable. If an activity is important and notable, it should form a significant part of the lead. However, there is nothing in the lead about any activies to do with record producing, acting, being a political activists or publishing poetry. On a separate note, producing one's own records does not make a person a professional record producer. LK (talk) 04:34, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * This is unacceptable because you are removing referenced material from an article. This goes against Wikipedia rules.--DanJazzy (talk) 06:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Back up your claim. Post reliable sources calling Tupac a rapper, record producer, actor, activist and poet when referring to him. LK (talk) 06:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

The source is given in the lead. It's NPR a well known reliable source.--DanJazzy (talk) 06:59, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Here are others: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/culture/2012/09/tupac-shakur-radical-poet http://www.konbini.com/us/entertainment/tupac-shakur-rapper-versatile-legend/ http://www.vibe.com/2012/01/oral-history-tupacs-acting-career-told-through-his-co-stars-and-producers/ --DanJazzy (talk) 07:03, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Journalists can be prone to hyperbole when writing biographies, you can't cherry pick a few sources and say that's it. The sources don't even agree with each other about his 'other' roles. WP:BLPLEAD says to describe the subject as he is usually described by reliable sources. Try an experiment. Search for Tupac's obituaries or news articles about his induction to the hall of fame. What do they name him as? I've looked, and unanimously, they call him a rapper.
 * Look, the lead sentence shouldn't be thought of as an awards list. Go to the wikipedia articles about the most influential people of the last century, most of them are identified with one or two roles. Einstein was a theoretical physicist. Keynes was an economist. Gandhi was the leader of the Indian independence movement. John Lenon? Singer and songwriter. Rush Limbough? American entertainer, radio talk show host, writer, and conservative political commentator (ok, I got to fix that).
 * What we are trying in the lead sentence is to describe the person succinctly to people who have never heard of the person before. If you grandma asks you, "who was Tupac?" What do you say ... he was a poet, record producer and political activist? No, you tell your grandma, he was a rapper.
 * LK (talk) 09:39, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Your opinion is important, but it remains a subjective opinion. Wikipedia rules state that articles are to be supported by reliable sources. That is simply the bottom line. Here is an academic source on this matter-https://www.jstor.org/stable/25780789?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents-DanJazzy (talk) 09:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Actually, you are mistaken there. In BLPs removal of unsourced material comes first.  WP:BLP states that controversial material that does not conform to policy must be removed immediately, and controversial material should not be included into an article until consensus is reached that it follows policy (properly sourced, conforms with NPV, WEIGHT, etc.)  On BLPs, the onus is on the person who wants to include material to prove his case. LK (talk) 09:58, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm reading the academic article you have linked to, and the article doesn't call him a political activist, she calls him a 'socially conscious artist', which is distinctly different from being an activist. LK (talk) 10:00, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Again, this is your subjective opinion. The academic article clearly speaks of Tupac Shakur's "identifiable political activism" You should also stop inventing rules as you go along. Wikipedia rules are very clear: for a credible article, reliable sources are sacrosanct.--DanJazzy (talk) 14:28, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Look, the lead should state that Tupac was "an American rapper, record producer, actor, poet, and political activist", only if reliable sources commonly describe him that way when introducing who he was. I have looked at how he is commonly described. He is commonly described as a rapper, or sometimes as a rapper and actor. Being a rapper with identifiable political activism is still being a rapper. LK (talk) 14:58, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I'am afraid you may digging yourself into a hole that you may not easily get out of. For the umpteenth time, a reliable, academic source has described Shakur's quote "identifiable political activism". Now it's very simple; either a)You have a problem with the reliability of the source or b) you have a problem with Shakur's activism. If b) then you have a right to your opinion, but your personal opinion cannot be the basis for a Wikipedia article. Please see the following:- WP:FORUM WP:ORIGINAL WP:BATTLEGROUND--DanJazzy (talk) 06:23, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * You are misreading the policies if you think they support the inclusion of the phrase "rapper, record producer, actor, poet, and political activist" in the lead sentence. WP:BLPLEAD is the relevant guideline, and it is quite clear. Describe the person as he/she is commonly described in reliable sources. Look at his obituaries in the leading newspapers. However do they describe him?  LK (talk) 14:11, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

We're going round in circles. This is obviously not helpful. We might require the intervention of the Wikipedia administrators. DanJazzy (talk) 10:40, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

The policy is clearly set forth in MOS:BLPLEAD. Please stop reverting to a version that obviously violates policy. I will quote the relevant section here: "Positions and roles

The lead sentence should describe the person as he or she is commonly described in reliable sources. The notable position(s) or role(s) the person held should usually be stated in the opening paragraph. However, avoid overloading the lead paragraph with various sundry roles; instead, emphasize what made the person notable. Incidental and non-notable roles (i.e. activities that are not integral to the person's notability) should usually not be mentioned in the lead paragraph.

In general, a position, activity, or role should not be included the lead paragraph if: a) the role is not otherwise discussed in the lead, b) the role is not significantly covered in the body of the article, or, c) the role is auxiliary to a main profession of the person (e.g. do not add "textbook writer", if the person is an academic)."

LK (talk) 00:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

And, I've been reverted without explanation or any policy based cause. Calling an RfC to settle things. LK (talk) 09:23, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

RfC
The consensus was: C "... rapper and actor" The majority of the !votes were for a lead sentence with either one or two roles highlighted. Perhaps more importantly, !votes for a shorter lead sentence referred to the guideline on lead sentences, while the !votes for the status quo ("... rapper, record producer, actor, and poet") either did not refer to policy, or based it on a misinterpretation of policy (e.g. WP:V does not imply that because something is verifiable, then it must be in the lead sentence.) LK (talk) 09:55, 4 June 2017 (UTC) --- There is disagreement over what should be in the lead sentence. The relevant policy pages are MOS:BLPLEAD and WP:LEADSENTENCE. Should the lead sentence state: A. "Tupac Amaru Shakur ... was an American rapper, record producer, actor, and poet." Or, B. "Tupac Amaru Shakur ... was an American rapper." Or, C. Something else (please explain what).

---LK (talk) 09:23, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Comments

 * B  A - The lead should summarize the body of the page and because his acting and producing career and poetry is covered, we should include these titles. I don't see this as cluttering the lead at all. Meatsgains (talk) 21:02, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * My mistake - I just realized I accidentally noted B, when I meant to vote A. I've stricken through my B vote. Meatsgains (talk) 02:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Definitely B. A is just a spaghetti mess of stuff. Also, poet? Except for a book of his lyrics, nothing about writing poetry (not lyrics) in the article. Darx9url (talk) 23:22, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * B is best and clearest.  d.g. L3X1  (distant write)  13:56, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * A He was all of those things. For those that object to "poet", there's a lot of sourced material in the article where reliable secondary sources discuss him as a poet. You don't have to publish a book of poetry in order to be a poet, obviously. Rockypedia (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * A The subject was a renowned musician, actor and poet. One of the pillars of Wikipedia is "verifiability". As indicated by other editors, there are plenty of sources that affirm these facts DanJazzy (talk) 14:44, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The policy verifiability is not relevant here. To be able to appear in Wikipedia, a fact must be verifiable. However, what appears in the WP:LEAD, should follow the WP:MOS guidelines about leads and lead sentences. LK (talk) 00:27, 13 May 2017 (UTC)


 * B C Version B is compatible with our guidelines and policies, A is not. Very strongly support the shorter version. WP:BLPLEAD states "The lead sentence should describe the person as he or she is commonly described in reliable sources. ... avoid overloading the lead paragraph with various sundry roles; instead, emphasize what made the person notable. Incidental and non-notable roles (i.e. activities that are not integral to the person's notability) should usually not be mentioned in the lead paragraph." And, "In general, a position, activity, or role should not be included the lead paragraph if: a) the role is not otherwise discussed in the lead, b) the role is not significantly covered in the body of the article, or, c) the role is auxiliary to a main profession of the person (e.g. do not add "textbook writer", if the person is an academic)." LK (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I am convinced by the arguments below that Version C "rapper and actor" is preferred. LK (talk) 06:10, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * C - rapper and actor; neither are "incidental roles"; the phrase "burgeoning acting career" is identified by several sources, and he has a filmography adequate enough to warrant mentioning the latter role, IMO. I don't see much of anything about his work as a record producer or poet in this B-class article, so I can't speak to those, but perhaps in the future when the article is fleshed out further... The "poet" characterization in sources feels like puffery in reference to his lyricism, which was part and parcel to him being a rapper. Dan56 (talk) 15:56, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * ^ Yes to "rapper and actor" if not "rapper, actor, and poet". In the article as it stands today, "record producer" is the least well-substantiated of the possible four identities. "Poet" is pretty well substantiated (do a control-F ...) and I see that the article is classified under numerous "poet" categories. But maybe people could say he didn't write enough poetry to be a poet? One book with several dozen entries? I dunno. But surely, appearing in seven films and playing a lead role in several qualifies someone as an actor, Keanu Reeves haters notwithstanding. Good luck to everyone working on the article. groupuscule (talk) 16:03, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * A He was all of those things. Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 18:49, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * B. "Try to not overload the first sentence by describing everything notable about the subject. Instead use the first sentence to introduce the topic, and then spread the relevant information out over the entire lead."

- WP:LEADSENTENCE While the rest of the faces of his career are quite worthy of mention, Tupac is best known as and most notable as a rapper. The rest of his work should still be mentioned, but not in the lead. Best, Alt3no: Discuss — 06:27, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Mentioning that he was also an actor is not "overload[ing] the first sentence by describing everything notable" about him. Dan56 (talk) 17:16, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * C I also feel rapper and actor should be the ones to be displayed. WikiVirusC (talk) 04:36, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * C per Dan56. -  The  Magnificentist 04:46, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * C If his poetry is lyrics for raps, then "poet" is redundant.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:40, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

If one aspect of his persona or career overshadows another it doesn't mean he wasn't both. He is widely regarded as an activist and a poet so I am confused as to why you are so hellbent on taking that away from him? Reelesteel (talk) 10:33, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

In response to an earlier comment he isn't regarded as a poet due to his rap lyrics but due to to the fact that he actually penned famous poems.. If you can wrap your head around that. Reelesteel (talk) 10:35, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2017
In the Biopic section the last line reads "The film was released on June 16, 2016, what would've been Shukar's 46th birthday.[187]" there's a spelling mistake it should be "Shakur's" instead of "Shukar's". Akashd7 (talk) 10:17, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thank-you for pointing that out! regards,  DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  10:29, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Artist doesn't like to be labeled gangsta rap
The article has endured some edit warring over the genre gangsta rap which Tupac has stated he doesn't like. Regarding musical genres in the infobox, the artist's own opinion about his genre is certainly interesting and should be summarized for our readers, but it is not defining. The defining genres come from reliable WP:SECONDARY sources such as reviewers. , can you comment here? Binksternet (talk) 06:06, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Mismatched parenthesis
In the first paragraph two parentheses open (one for IPA, the other for birth name and date), but only one closes

132.187.253.33 (talk) 10:15, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've fixed this, thanks! By the way, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit, so now or in the future, feel free to jump in and edit pages yourself! CapitalSasha ~ talk 11:23, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Wrong date
“All Eyez on Me” was released on June 16th, 2017 not 2016. Bpmusiclife (talk) 01:22, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Home Lander (talk) 01:46, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

There was both a movie song and music album, make sure that the date is correct for all of them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.250.212.226 (talk) 02:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2018
Tupac Shakur is Alive and well Source Tupac Shakur. He invited me to his crib to play some 2K we ate some guacamole and chips. after that we played warcraft. NINIDOhiki (talk) 17:22, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Not a request. ToThAc (talk) 17:25, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2018
-“Shakur had been slated to star in the 1993 Hughes brothers' film Menace II Society but was replaced by Larenz Tate after assaulting Allen Hughes as a result of a quarrel.”

- Shakur had been slated to star in the 1993 Hughes brothers' film Menace II Society but was replaced by Vontee Sweet after assaulting Allen Hughes as a result of a quarrel. 172.221.19.215 (talk) 19:41, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

-“Shakur had been slated to star in the 1993 Hughes brothers' film Menace II Society but was replaced by Larenz Tate after assaulting Allen Hughes as a result of a quarrel.” -*Tupac was actually being casted to play the part of Sharif, but wanted a bigger role; leading to: disagreement, altercation, and the replacement of Tupac with Vonte Sweet, not Larenz Tate. Larenz Tate actually rehearsed with Tupac before the movie took a different direction. In reality Tupac probably wanted the role of Larenz Tate or Tyrin Turner (who are main characters).
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:20, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 7 November 2017
In the panel on the right-hand side, where it says "Genre," I believe it is almost offensive to say "Gangsta Rap." If you've ever listened to his discography, you know it isn't gangsta rap. When asked, Tupac himself said he doesn't make gangsta rap. Under "Genre," it should say "Hip Hop, Rap." Kervinf (talk) 18:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. please contribute to discussion above &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:19, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Kervinf. The artist's discography is not gangsta rap.--DanJazzy (talk) 04:10, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Tupac Amaru, Edwin Valero, Ali Raymi & the Inti Raymi Inca cult
Ali Raymi 100% KO ratio, coincides with Edwin Valero 100% ratio, both boxers were directly tied to Peru (in addition to Tupac Amuru) despite no direct connection to Bolivia, Mike Tyson was told to use the word Bolivia in reference to the act of vanishing & fading. Inca culture didn't exist in Los Angeles, Venezuela or Yemen. However, Tupac was named after the Inca Tupac, Edwin Valero Alias was El-Inca & Ali Raymi a direct reference to teh Inti Raymi cult openly claimed to be GOD, both boxers had direct connections to now deceased dictators, Ali Raymi first fight was listed as promoted by Saleh, also the 2010 Ali Raymi Anti-Terrorism operation was named "blow to head" prior to Ali Raymi turning pro. Many people still believe Ali Raymi & Edwin Valero are still alive in Cuba or Bermuda. 63times (talk) 00:44, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Tupac and Kidada Jones
Tupac made his first impression on Kidada Jones and her family when he called out her father, Quincy Jones, in an interview he gave to The Source Magazine in 1993. He was commenting on the fact that Quincy Jones has always been involved in interracial relationships. He said some offensive things in the article and therefore left a bad impression on The Jones Family. A couple years later Tupac and Kidada ran into each other in a club. From then on they developed a relationship after he apologized to her. Kidada's father wasn't happy and expressed he would not welcome Tupac in his home. While Tupac and Kidada were on a date, Quincy Jones happened to run into them. Quincy and Tupac spoke privately at the time and Tupac apologized for his comments. Thereafter, Tupac became close to their family and even had plans to do some projects with Quincy which would have begun around the time of his death. Tupac and Kidada were living together for several months at the time he was murdered and Kidada and her family have claimed she and Tupac were engaged. (2PacKidada (talk) 03:14, 19 March 2018 (UTC))

Adding Info To Tupac's Personal Life Section On Wiki Page
Tupac Shakur was in a relationship with Kidada Jones, Quincy Jones daughter, at the time of his death. They were living together for months and Kidada revealed they were engaged. She had gone to Las Vegas with him on that fateful trip when he was murdered. She was waiting for him at their hotel room while he was going to Suge Knight's club for a brief appearance. Tupac said he would be about an hour & unfortunately, he was gunned down before he even got to the club. Shortly after Tupac was shot, Kidada received the call to get to the hospital. 2PacKidada (talk) 02:29, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Infobox Broken
The infobox for this page appears to be broken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velteau (talk • contribs) 01:56, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2018


Sweaty Spagetti (talk) 00:25, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Nici  Vampire  Heart  01:15, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2018
It is said that Tupac Shakur was put into a coma to keep him from getting out of bed. The reference does not indicate this, only that he was heavily sedated. As for getting out of bed, that is unikely. Most reports claim that he never regained consciousness in the hospital even if some people close to him claim that they think he had some form of awareness (which may be wishful thinking, either way it's an unsubstantiated claim). He may have had slight, possibly involuntary, movements but he seems to have been in no position to attempt getting out of bed. 95.76.141.183 (talk) 07:51, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 13:59, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion
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 * Tupac golo.jpg

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2018
Change "inner-cities" to "inner cities". Hyphenate "inner-city" when used as an adjective ("inner-city neighborhoods") but not as a noun. Simplymeg (talk) 16:36, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  16:54, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2018
- ! Year !! Title !! Role !! Notes ALittleBlueCoyote65 (talk) 18:02, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  JTP (talk • contribs) 19:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Is this really necessary?
"... with Jada Pinkett (later Jada Pinkett Smith)..."

People can just hover and see her married name. This pointlessly adds words to the article. 76.70.118.211 (talk) 21:29, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Blatant plug
"About.com, for their part, named Shakur the most influential rapper ever.[165]"

This should be deleted. Nobody gives a fuck about "About". 76.70.118.211 (talk) 22:21, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Tupac Shakur might actually be alive.
Here's the article you have to read for proof. --203.81.71.69 (talk) 14:47, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I THINK TUPAC SHAKUR IS STILL ALIVE HE HAS A NEW SONG WITH DR DRE CEE RAP (talk) 04:15, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Tupac officially died at 1996 Elie.georges20 (talk) 02:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

JDL Death Threats?
The linked article outlines an extortion scheme, doesn't seem relevant to an article on Tupac's murder. I believe it should be removed.74.90.249.40 (talk) 19:14, 14 October 2018 (UTC)Dave

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2018
103.88.82.34 (talk) 05:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I believe that the legal issues section in Tupac Shakur Wikipedia page is totally false, and it only needs to be edited with his only real legal issue Tupac had that happened in 1996 with issues of court cases that were undefinable. I also want to add the emphasis that the legal issues story is very not credible, untruthful, and has no basis at all except that he had legal issues only in 1996 with court cases that were nobody knew was about.74.110.121.122 (talk) 19:05, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

He was a Christian, or at the very least theist - - militant atheists are lying
He always wore crosses, also tattooed crosses. etc. Always referenced the afterlife in songs and interviews. Believed in sin, etc. Some arrogant militant atheists are painting him as a deist with no belief in afterlife, PURE INSANITY AND DIABOLICAL LIES. Arrogant atheists always lie and downplay peoples' true beliefs to advance their goal materialistic goals. Tupac believed in a personal God, hell and heaven and the concept of sin. 100%.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.88.183.232 (talk) 19:56, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Wow. Thebearfootaquarius (talk) 09:50, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Wow sums it up...--2605:A000:B445:3000:4EB:656D:7521:B14 (talk) 07:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2018
LeAtHal Drewbcows (talk) 19:26, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ Telepathy is currently not an option, please write out the edit request in a "change X to Y because Z" format. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:30, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2019
Add 'poet' to occupations EthanMKLewis (talk) 09:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The occupations in the infobox are intended to match the occupations as listed in the lead section of the article, which are the occupations the person is known for, not everything they've ever done. If you'd like to make this change to the article, please seek consensus on the talk page first. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 15:14, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Edit Request - January 30th, 2019
Listed as his "brother" is "Morpreme Shakur". "Morpreme" is actually supposed to be Mopreme, and is not Tupac's brother, but rather his Step Brother. OptaFizzle (talk) 01:20, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2019
Tupac Shakur did not die from a gunshot wound he died from a heart attack he would have made it if he didn’t have a heart attack 47.220.248.194 (talk) 03:09, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 06:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


 * The article already says: "The official causes of death were noted as respiratory failure and cardiopulmonary arrest in connection with multiple gunshot wounds." -- Begoon 12:27, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2019
Please change In 1986, the family moved from New York to Baltimore

to

In 1984, the family moved from New York to Baltimore

why?

Tupac and his family moved to Baltimore in 1984, not 1986.

The given source is an article from Vibe magazine 1999, which happens to be available via Google books. But the date is wrong, I realized this through reading in Tupac Resurection [1], which is the official book to the 2003 documentary of the same name [2]. Doing some further research, these resources also state 1984:

https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/2016/9/6/legendary-rapper-tupac-shakur-spent-his-formative-years-in-baltimore

https://www.tribpub.com/gdpr/baltimoresun.com/

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000637/bio

[1] ISBN-13: 978-0743248273

The source should be updated with any the above URLs

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac:_Resurrection Jackrandom (talk) 21:43, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done The Baltimore Magazine looks more reliable than the Vibe one. I retained the Vibe reference for the other move to California. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:28, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2019
The Straight Outta Compton listing in Biographical portrayals in film redirects to the album by N.W.A, and not the film that the section is implying, which would be Straight Outta Compton (film). Roflcopter100 (talk) 20:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thanks! &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 21:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

photo


It's a mugshot but it's free use. Should it go in the infobox? MB298 (talk) 07:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * not in this case. The infobox maintains an overview of the subject's biography, and this specific mugshot isn't too relevant to why he's a notable subject (for his significant rapping career). More importantly, a mugshot like this (or one that's similar in appearance to a mugshot) shouldn't be used out of context to possibly present the subject in a false or disparaging light. – Aranya (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Why not hard conscious rap?
Why not? Inchiostro1996 (talk) 06:09, 27 June 2021 (UTC)