Talk:Tupolev ANT-20

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Dosen't the pic show the 6-engine replacement rather than the original?


 * It had 6 engines in the wings and 2 in a pylon above the fuselage (just visible in the pic) Drutt 23:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.stanford.edu/~gfreidin/gallery/propart/kuptsov_gorky934.jpg --Ragemanchoo (talk) 22:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Crash location?
I thought maybe there would be a placemarker for this on Google Earth but I can't find it. There is a small semi-decommissioned airport to the southeast of Sokol station. Was this where the plane took off from? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 22:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Timing
The Myaskovsky was written in 1933-4 so far as I know, the crash was in 1935... I'm not sure the timing works. The premiere was indeed after the crash though. Schissel | Sound the Note! 17:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC) (edit: nl page on the symphony gives different dates for composition- 1935-6. Makes more sense. Not sure the source in either case.)

ANT-20bis

 * "ANT-20bis"

What does "bis" indicate? Heavenlyblue (talk) 19:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Bis: Latin for "Second". General meaning "improved model". 78.60.25.183 (talk) 16:40, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Cause of crash
The article says, "On December 14, 1942, it too crashed after the pilot allowed a passenger to take his seat momentarily and the passenger apparently disengaged the automatic pilot, sending the airplane into a nosedive from an altitude of 500 m (1,500 ft) and killing all 36 on board." But if everyone was killed, how is it known what happened? NCdave (talk) 23:29, 8 March 2014 (UTC) Exactly what I came to ask. They didn't have any CVR or anything to record the last minutes, so it must be pure speculation, even if they found the remains of the passenger in the pilots seat.AnnaGoFast (talk) 05:27, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Purpose of the Aircraft
The line in the body "It was intended for Stalinist propaganda purposes" is non-neutral language, and also not very clear. Was it intended to show off the manufacturing capabilities of the Soviet State? To be a mobile state media lab? To provide radio broadcasts and publishing to remote areas? The specific purpose of the aircraft should be explained, and cited, in neutral language. Rotwang Daedalus (talk) 17:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * In this case, "propaganda purposes" is accurate and neutral - the Maksim Gorkii was meant as the flagship of the Maksim Gorkii propaganda squadron Mahsim Gorkii Agiteskadril- the squadron flew around the Soviet Union promoting the aims and achievements of Communism and Stalin. The various tasks such as broadcasting music from its loudspeakers, acting as a cinema and printing (and air dropping) propaganda leaflets were part of the squadron's role.Nigel Ish (talk) 20:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * See AgitpropNigel Ish (talk) 20:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Your explanation is far better than "it was meant for stalinist propaganda purposes." Adding it to the article. Rotwang Daedalus (talk) 17:44, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Tweaked and added it. I felt "and Stalin" was unnecessary — you wouldn't say Voice of America was designed to promote the achievements of America and Gerald Ford. Rotwang Daedalus (talk) 17:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)