Talk:Tupolev Tu-142/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Σ (talk · contribs) 05:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * "The resultant design was named Tu-142 and had features in common with the Tu-95RT. Where? It links to the header right above that link. See 2 for the concern on b.
 * Removed. Sp33dyphil © • © 06:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is awkward: his bureau to go ahead with development of a long-range ASW aircraft How about: "his bureau to develop a long-range ASW aircraft"? This is confusing: This consisted of the Nashatyr-Nefrit (Ammonia/Jade) ASW complex, which included the Zarechye sonar system. Besides the RGB-1A and RGB-2 buoys of the Berkut, the Tu-142MZ was compatible with the RGB-16 and RGB-26 buoys; when working with the ASW complex, these buoys cut sonobuoy usage by 1.5 times. I know what an ASW complex is, but ordinary readers won't have a clue. Also rewrite the sentences. What does the wire function as? but had provisions for a long trailing wire enabling messages to be relayed And rewrite the sentence to get rid of enabling. "that enabled" or somesuch. All flights of Russia's Pacific Fleet were suspended pending an investigation into the crash. Wouldn't this be better phrased as "All flights of aircraft belonging to the Pacific Fleet were suspended..." I've made a lot of copyedit type changes to the article. Go through them and see if they meet with your approval.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest you add place of publication and fix capitalization issues in the bibliography. And if you're thinking about A-class, I'd suggest that you get a hold of either Gordon's Tupolev OKB history or his 2009 volume on the Tu-95/142 before you submit it.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:30, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * All of the parts with problematic phrasing have been re-worded; awaiting Phil's OK on the other copyediting changes, and any changes to the bibliography. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * "...resulting in the Tu-142MZ, the ultimate long-range Tu-142 with highly sophisticated combat avionics and large payload", "It was speculated that the change to the idle plant was to find employment to the workers there", and "Even as the Tu-142MK entered service, its Korshun-K STS was already becoming obsolete". Do you have references? For the first one, I can't find expansion of its "ultimate"ness anywhere else in the article. (text decoration not found in article)
 * Oh, it was the ultimate version because it was the most-capable and best variant of the Tu-142. I used the word because it means "final" and "maximum", not because it's the best. Geez, TV ads through around words like these too much, making them very POV. BTW, the speculated section is mentioned in Tupolev Tu-95/-142 "Bear": Russia's intercontinental-range heavy bomber.
 * "It was speculated that the change to the idle plant was to find employment to the workers there. The move required many improvements to the plant and the surrounding area, including the establishment of new assembly shops, the installation of new machinery and toolings, the re-training of the workforce, and the building of a new airfield.[14]" Sp33dyphil © • © 06:21, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Sp33dyphil © • © 06:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * Need caliber and type of guns in the tail turret as well the armament payload in main body and infobox. Link bogey, fairing. What are acoustic-band sonobuoys and trigger devices? Were the Tu-142MRs newly built or converted from existing Tu-142s? What's the deal with the Tu-142MRT? It should be listed under variants as well.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * They look like 23mm autocannons to me, but Phil should be able to confirm. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:46, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The books don't really talk much about the guns except that there are a few on the Tu-142. BTW, because the aircraft is neither a bomber or fighter, I doubt it is necessary to include such info. Sp33dyphil © • © 06:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think basically they took away some of the guns the Tu-95 had, but kept the rest, right? So I think they are Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23. Anything at all that the sources say about things carried as payload (excluding sonobuoys, which are already mentioned at length) would be great, but doesn't matter if not. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree, the armament needs to be covered in a moderate amount of detail for an aircraft that carried an armament of any sort. Gun type and caliber are required here and a general statement about its armament payload (x amount/weight of bombs/torpedoes/missiles/whatever) is necessary.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:30, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * See pp. 59–60, 67 of the Aerofax book for the necessary information.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * See 2. Until the claims are referenced, I cannot judge whether the article is neutral or not.
 * Checked.
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * I'm not putting it on hold because I think it shouldn't take more than a day or two to resolve the issues, but as this is my first GA review, a more experienced editor may completely disagree with my assessment of the article. Good luck! → Σ  τ  c . 05:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I contacted Sp33dyphil on IRC, who replied "the books don't talk about guns". As such, there may simply not be much more information on them. Thus, the coverage as currently seen in the article is adequate, and, with no other major issues, this is an excellent addition to Wikipedia's good articles. → Σ  τ  c . 06:04, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Post-close note - Sp33dyphil has found and added the information on the guns, based on the page number Sturmvogel provided. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:16, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I contacted Sp33dyphil on IRC, who replied "the books don't talk about guns". As such, there may simply not be much more information on them. Thus, the coverage as currently seen in the article is adequate, and, with no other major issues, this is an excellent addition to Wikipedia's good articles. → Σ  τ  c . 06:04, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Post-close note - Sp33dyphil has found and added the information on the guns, based on the page number Sturmvogel provided. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:16, 27 October 2011 (UTC)