Talk:Turbinellus floccosus/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 18:08, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Happy to offer a review. The first mushroom at GAC in a while, I think! Josh Milburn (talk) 18:08, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * "It was known until 2011 as Gomphus floccosus, when the genus Gomphus was determined to be polyphyletic, and hence it was only distantly related to the type species G. clavatus." Perhaps this could be rephrased. What the "it" refers to is unclear, and the latter part of the sentence is not a consequence of the first part, meaning the "hence" is inappropriate.
 * Ok, I tried this, though I wonder if it is a bit laboured for the lead Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:49, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * "Three forms received" Is form meant in a technical sense, here?
 * no, it means taxa - i.e. presumed discrete biological taxa. tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:06, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * You list a lot more common names in the lead than in the article body
 * added...actually can't find source for woolly gomphus now...but as it ain't a gomphus no more I am happy to consign that to the vernacular dustbin :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:14, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Can I suggest starting a new paragraph before "the white flesh"?
 * tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:59, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * "R.H.Petersen" Are you sold on that spacing?
 * tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:59, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Category for the Australian distribution?
 * cat added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:59, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * " Laboratory experiments showed it increased tone of guinea pig smooth muscle of the small bowel (ileum)" I don't follow
 * the link is with the gastrointestinal symptoms. Not sure if the source clearly spells out hte link - will check Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:02, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * "norcaperatic acid yield of 4.4%" Jargon?
 * tried explaning it to make less jargony Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:02, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * "produce oxylipin (biologically active lipids generated from fatty acids)" Shift from singular to plural?
 * singularised Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:04, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * color or colour?
 * tweaked - following Am Eng Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:03, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

That's all that jumps out on the first look through; I'll be back to have a look at other bits over the next few days. Josh Milburn (talk) 19:27, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok, some more bits:
 * This isn't a problem for GA purposes, but I'm finding the article a little crowded at the moment; perhaps you could consider collapsing the synonym list in the taxobox?
 * good idea - found another article (eventually) to copy and done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:15, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Relatedly, I'm not completely sold on the current images. There're some great ones here (including spores!), here, here, here, here (again with spores) or a number of others on Mushroom Observer which may be appropriate. I think a lot of people visiting the article will only look at the pictures; it's perhaps worth spending a few minutes to find some good ones!
 * agree the image in the Description section is of a rather dingy specimen so replaced it with an image of spores. There are some images similar to those others on the commons category. I don't think any really add much to the taxobox image, which I like alot. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:57, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I could quibble a little on source formatting which would step beyond my role as a GA reviewer. More importantly, I'm happy that everything cited is appropriate. That said, You have an "article=" parameter in the Masui 1926 citation which is leading to an error message. Could this be fixed?
 * tweaked a few things - yes please point out any other ref issues as it will be going to FAC sometime... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:35, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I wonder whether the inedible category is appropriate? Indeed, I'd suggest that an edible category would be appropriate. You could also have poisonous and edible in the mycomorphbox. Or do you disagree?
 * yes, it is a bit of a case for "all of the above"....need to think about that one... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:36, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Coming together... Josh Milburn (talk) 19:55, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Looking towards FAC
I'm happy to promote this to GA status now, but I'll throw out a few suggestions to think about before a potential FAC, as you have indicated that you're looking in that direction.
 * Have a ponder about the whole edible/inedible/poisonous thing. I'd be inclined to call it "poisonous but edible", a bit like fly agarics. I wonder, even, whether you should rename the section "toxicity and edibility". If I was out looking to complain, I might even say that there's a whiff of imperialism; we've tested it in our labs, we know it's poisonous. To hell with all those people who eat it.
 * The third paragraph of the taxonomy section doesn't read so well. The fourth paragraph, too, opens with an "it", which I find a little odd. (Also in similar species.)
 * "In Mexico, it is known as corneta or trompeta" I'm guessing they're Spanish words? Specifying that and offering translations would be good.
 * You mention that insect larvae often hollow-out the fruit body; any word on the kinds of insects which feed upon it?
 * We have pictures for all three lookalikes... Maybe a centralised table in-line, rather than thumbnail pictures to the side? Just a thought; your way may be better. I find the way the thumbnails hang into the next section (even on a small screen/large text size) imperfect.
 * "showed it increased tone of guinea pig smooth muscle of the small bowel" I'm still struggling with this. I don't know what "increased tone" or "smooth muscle" mean.
 * "produces oxylipin (biologically active lipids generated from fatty acids)" Still not quite right, I don't think. "produces oxylipin [singular] (biologically active lipids [plural] generated from fatty acids)". I won't change it, as I'm not confident.

And some reference quibbles:
 * " Berkeley MJ, Curtis MA. "On New Species of North American Fungi". Annals and magazine of natural history, including zoology, botany, and geology 4: 293." Capitalise journal name?
 * capped Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * "Erickson RF. "Kuntze, Otto (1843–1907)". Botanicus.org. Retrieved 28 November 2015." Do you not have anything a bit better?
 * "Kuntze O (1891). Revisio generum plantarum:vascularium omnium atque cellularium multarum secundum leges nomenclaturae internationales cum enumeratione plantarum exoticarum in itinere mundi collectarum. Leipzig, Germany: A. Felix. pp. 862, 873." Shouldn't book names be capitalised?
 * capped Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * UK or United Kingdom?
 * unabbreviated Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No location for Davis et al.
 * Ammirati et al.: Check title capitalisation and location formatting
 * capped Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * What's going on with Corner?
 * "Wojewoda W, Heinrich Z, Komorowska H (1993). "[Macromycetes Korei Pòłnocnej] Macrofungi of North Korea". Wiadomości Botaniczne 37 (3/4): 125–28." Check spacing- also, shouldn't it be the translated title that's in square brackets, not the original? You should probably also specify the original language. Finally, your link's dead.
 * Is the page range on Masui right?
 * Check location on Fuhrer
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No location for Smith and Weber
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:26, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Do we use et al. in articles? I thought that was discouraged, but I may be wrong.
 * No location for Khaund and Joshi. Also, if they did a whole paper on it, is there perhaps more to be said about the edible/poisonous thing?

That's what jumps out, anyway. As I say, I'm happy to promote, these are just things to look into going forward. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks for all the above. will get cracking on it soon, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:24, 13 April 2016 (UTC)