Talk:Turco-Persian

Request for Deletion
The term Turko-Persian does not exists academically and it is a factitious entry! Check the Encyclopaedia Iranica to confirm -- The name "Turko-Persian" is an imaginary one and therefore the entry should be deleted.


 * To Barefact: All the reference used for creating this article are referring to the the Turko-Persia concept, and not Turko Persian. The term Turko-Persian is a bogus term. Surena 21:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed the deletion survey since an AfD about this was just closed this morning, and that's not how deletion process works... Deletions are not decided in the talk pages of articles. Thanks Baristarim 17:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Many of Iranian ethnics were not fall into the Turkic Tradition
Still in iran, Mazanderani people keep their own language as well as 2 millinium years ago, Althought Mongol & Turkic people attacked to Tabaristan (Including present day Mazanderan, Golestan, Gilan, Semnan, Tehran provinces of iran), they not influenced them, since T & M people were not able to capturing the forests, jungles and mountains.--Ali 15:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Turco-Persian
I tried to vote for a delete but the discussion was closed before I could. Frankly I think the fact that the only hits on Google for Turco-Persian are about a rug company, is enough to delete the article. Thanks User:Aidepikiwym 22:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC) -- (Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Surena")
 * Dear Aidepikiwym - Unfortunately few hours after the request for deletion, the notice was removed (Wikipedia Democratic Style!) -- Unfortunately Wikipedia is facilitating and assisting some elements here to falsify history. I believe the problem rests with the administrative side of Wikipedia. Many of the administrators here are not educated enough to distinguish between falsification and conveying facts –for instance the notice was removed by one the admins who is in college – for a college boy it is immensely difficult to comprehend what is fabrication, or otherwise, since he is not educated enough – subsequently this undermines Wikipedia as an accurate source of information! – I’m just hoping people are vigilant enough, to address the issue. Regards Surena 05:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please focus on content, and not people. And most importantly, assume good faith. In any case, please do not forget that this is not a forum, it is the talk page for improvements that can be made to a Wikipedia article and not for denigrating other editors. Thanks Baristarim 11:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Article title
I find the name of the article, an adjective, somewhat odd. The text is about Turco-Persian confederation and Turco-Persian society, but mostly in the political terms, bypassing the essential components of the society and its development. At the same time, the article seems to be complimentary to the Turko-Persian tradition, which mostly addresses the cultural, and not political, aspect, and the history of the symbiotic cultural development. In the societal sense, this article should cover the above-ethnic and multi-ethnic aspects, address the populations and their relations with the ruling elites, religious and inter-religious divergences, the specific types of public and political organization (local communes-mahallahs, autonomy, cross-ethnic admittance, etc.), free exchange of the literature and arts, mutual cultural and linguistic enrichment, and many other aspects. Correspondingly, the title of the article should change from an adjective to a noun, maybe "Turko-Persian society", or "Turko-Persian Islamicate World", "Turko-Persian ecumenism". The Turko-Persian side should also be limited to the cultural aspects in the societies, because neither military, nor political, nor taxation methods were directly influenced by the Turko-Persian culture. Barefact 13:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Timur
I was under the impression that Timur was never considered a Turco-Persian, and the page on him in Wikipedia defines him as Turco-Mongol. This should be changed unless there is a source saying that he was Turco-Persian instead.
 * As the article notes, the Turco-Mongol class was part of the Turco-Persian society. Acsenray 16:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed the extent of irrendentist and unscholarly nationalist POV is amazing. Not sure what Persian has to do with either Timur or Babur. Just because someone in society uses French or English language, does not mean French or English become part of that identity. For example, Leo Tolstoy and a number of Russian writers wrote their books using French heavily, does not mean Russians became and Russo-French society. Americans eat pizza or use Italian language in opera, does not mean U.S. is Italianate society. Atabəy (talk) 15:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

"Turco-Persian" is a fuzzy umbrella term for the overlapping Turkic and Persian spheres in medieval central to southwest Asia. The article discussing this is at Turko-Persian tradition. --dab (𒁳) 16:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)