Talk:Turgot of Durham/Archive 1

I moved the page because several of the Turgot links should direct to the Frenchman. Thus, Turgot should eventually be made a redirect page and the links fixed to either. Srnec 00:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It is better to fix those then. I moved it back because I object to the move; we should discuss it. Turgot is known simply as Turgot, there's is little reason to dab this page at the moment. If it is a big problem for you, I'd suggest moving this to Thurgot (which is the form many historians use) and making Turgot a dab. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 00:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

All right, the page should then be moved to Thurgot. The fact is that "Turgot" is more commonly used to refer to the Frenchman than the bishop. Turgot should become a dab eventually. Now, may I ask why you reverted most of my other changes? I changed the piped link to Malcolm III of Scotland since I see no reason to employ the Gaelic here. I changed "King Alexander I of Scotland and Prince David of Strathclyde" to "Kings Alexander I and David I" because the latter is simpler, less redundant (calling Alexander "of Scotland"), and more informative (about who David was). Srnec 16:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Máel Coluim is his name, and is favoured by almost every scholar writing today on the subject. David was not king in Turgot's time, so why call him king? It is also misleading to use the term "Bishop of St Andrews" because the place wasn't called that; it was called Kilrymont/Cell Rígmonaid, and the bishop was sometimes called "of Saint Andrew", not St. Andrews. It's a point one loses with anachronistic, if familiar, usage. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 16:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I did change it to reflect that it was then called Kilrymont/Cell Rígmonaid. The continuity of the bishopric is lost if we avoid using St Andrews at some point. In order to provide a link to the Bishop of St Andrews page I put that title first followed by Kilrymont/Cell Rígmonaid. Srnec 16:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)