Talk:Turkish Airlines

Note
--Can somebody change flag on B&H Airlines because its suppose to be Bosnia and Herzegovina, not Bulgaria.

--It is funny how someone called me after reading this article and asked about Turkish Airlines. He never before heard about it and was worried after reading the hijack news. Anyway, for those of you who may have a similar concern: it is an isolated incident which can happen to any flight. As a matter of fact, having flied with almost all US companies, Air France, KLM and Turkish Airlines many many times, my favorite used to be Turkish Airlines. They were one of the top companies in terms of in-flight service before 2003. The changes in top management had negative effects after 2003, nowadays (2006) it is roughly comparable to Delta domestic flights in terms of quality.

--Why does this article make Turkish Airlines sound like a company with nothing but a history of disasters? I believe that Turkish Airlines has much more to offer than just hijackings and crashes. Can someone elaborate more on its history and achievements, rather than just focus on the negative aspects?

So much for 'neutral point of view'. Heh.

--I agree with the opinion above. Turkish Airlines is one of the fastest growing airlines in the world and also is one of the most reliable ones. For more information about the flight network and fleet, take a visit to company's webpage www.thy.com Regards. [MTABALU]

I'm sorry, but these are just verifyable facts. If you know more about this airline's history and achievements please feel free to add to the article (preferably with references). Tinus 21:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is a ridiculous comment from Tinus, in Europe Air France has more incidents than Turkish Airlines. Air France has 11 crashes. Turkish Airlines has almost an equal amount of incidents as Lufthansa, 6 accidents vs. 5 accidents. And worldwide American Airlines has the most crashes with 11 crashes. Sharing a first place together with Air France. On top of that American Airlines also has the most fatalities with 858 fatalities in the world. Number two is China Airlines with 760 fatalities. And the deadliest airplane crash in the world is by Dutch KLM which happened in 1977 on Tenerife, Spain, killing in total 583 people. Which happened due to stubbornness of the Dutch pilot. So, no you can't falsely claim that these are "just verifiable facts" and push a bigoted narrative, deliberately purely focusing on the negative. This is anything but a neutral point of view. [https://executiveflyers.com/what-airline-has-had-the-most-crashes/ What Airline Has Had the Most Crashes? (US, Worldwide, Europe)]

Callsign
The callsign for Turkish Airlines is Turkish. It is NOT Turkair. I have confirmed this with a number of Turkish ATC's and pilots. Please stop reverting the article.


 * No, the callsign used by many controllers is Turkish because thats what they're used to (old callsign is Turkish). Official callsign is "Turkair" but mostly no-one uses Turkair in Turkey or sometimes Germany. Tekin 09:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you got a source for that? --80.41.106.162 (talk) 06:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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Inflight magazine
I haven't worked at all on airline articles, so I don't know if there is a standard way to handle this, but presumably somewhere the article should mention their inflight magazine Skylife - Şubat, which is a rather good one. Issues since 2000 are available online. - Jmabel | Talk 07:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The film snatch
In the film Snatch was the aircraft, who's crashed not a plane from Turkish Airlines. This aircraft was a little aircraft, who's name Turkish. Comparable with a B747 from Lufthansa called Baden Würtemberg. I will delete it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.143.71 (talk) 17:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Introduction
It operates a network of scheduled services to 140 international and 35 domestic cities

"International city"? City or route?--94.178.99.54 (talk) 12:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Turkish Airlines signs for seven more A330s  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.134.166.181 (talk) 15:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

SkyTrax awards
The latest SkyTrax 2009 award information is missing from the Turkish Airline page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.163.122.32 (talk) 11:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

help
good morning —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.17.22.73 (talk) 13:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Destinations

 * What is your source for the list of future destinations? I agree with the list as it seems quite probable except for Nalchik (a rarely used airport) and for Sukhumi (Abkhazia -- independence not internationally recognized -- and unlikely that a NATO member country would have direct service there). Why was Kabul removed? I believe Mineralnye Vody and Vladikavkaz are more likely than Nalchik. The March issue of the TK in-flight magazine does not list Novosibirsk as a planned 2010 destination. I believe Islamabad is also planned to begin soon. Debona.michel (talk) 10:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC) Debona.michel (talk) 10:33, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Sponsorhips
THY is the sponsors of Barcelona and Man.United. Okay. But who added Fenerbahçe there? It so meaningless because THY is the sponsor of the biggest 3 football clubs in Turkey. Not only Fenerbahçe but also Beşiktaş and Galatasary too. (You can check it from the official websites of the clubs. www.bjk.com.tr and www.galatasaray.org at the bottom of the website where sponsors listed)

So you can either remove Fenerbahçe from there or you should add Beşiktaş and Galatasaray there too. But i would suggest you to remove Fenerbahçe from the article because it is not significant considered with Barcelona and Man.United. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.205 (talk) 14:58, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Darkwind (talk) 16:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

i am giving you the official web sites of the clubs. you can see there THY is sponsor of the Beşiktaş and Galatasaray too. www.bjk.com.tr and www.galatasaray.org.

what is your source for putting Fenerbahçe there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.205 (talk) 19:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

company slogan
You should add the company slogan title to the info card of company.

Thy company slogan is "Globally yours" which you can verify from the www.thy.com web site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.18.205 (talk) 15:08, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Why removed Islamabad and Kabul in destination section?
I have read THY's intention to fly to Lahore and Islamabad in Pakistan. Moreover, Kabul was another city they are planning to fly. Why remove them???

Are you sure THY wants to fly to Chenna, Hyderabad and Calcutta in India? Where did you get this news from?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by QadeemMusalman (talk • contribs) 18:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 96.234.44.159, 1 June 2010
As the evaluation results of Skytrax, Turkish Airlines has been named the best airline in Southern Europe and the best quality in economy class with the in-flight service being served by Turkish Do & Co. The airline also marked its name on the 3th place in the best airline companies in all Europe countries.

96.234.44.159 (talk) 19:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  — fetch ·  comms   20:33, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

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My edit
Some editor wrote into the end of the incidents section, a claim about Turkish Airlines having a high incident rate, One that surpassed African Airlines(never heard of that carrier. I guess they mean all the individual airlines on that continent) and that over 800 people had died while flying the airline over the last 25 years.

The last part is dead wrong. Less than 200 people have died while flying Turkish Airlines since 1981. That's less than Pan Am, American Airlines, United Airlines, Kenya Airways, Korean Air Lines, etc etc.

As for the incident rate, it might be high. But the website linked to for this claim made no comparisons for Turkish Airlines except against other European carriers. So it was incomplete. I edited these comments out entirely.William 23:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Incidents
I prepared a standard table for incidents. Any help appreciated to complete the table Yakamoz51 (talk) 22:23, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Not sure it really needs a table and as the accident and incident section is so large it may be better to split it out into an article Turkish Airlines accidents and incidents and keep it as prose. Sometimes tables make it harder for readers to understand if they get big and unwieldy with lots of text. MilborneOne (talk) 23:06, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I second that. A table does not bring any additional value in this case. --R.Schuster (talk) 11:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Africa Strategy
The airline has ordered 10 B737-900s to be especially configured with only 151 seats and dedicated to the African market. --46.173.64.250 (talk) 15:59, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

seems to be a bad link
Hi, the link to the official company site (www.turkishairlines.com) brings to a strange page written in chinese!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.33.136.8 (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. &mdash;Comp dude 123 04:18, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

fleet list is messed up
the fleet list is messed up and is unclear due to where information is supposed to be in certain sections is mixed up in others. You would know what i am talking about if you look at the fleet list. It needs to be fixed and I don't know how to fix it.72.89.35.142 (talk) 02:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I fixed the table. Tables can be confusing to new users so I understand your perplexion.  &mdash;Comp dude 123 02:30, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Article Lead section
To the ever-changing IP: The lead section of an article serves a summary of its most important aspects. Topics like sports teams a company sponsors are not among the most important aspects of a company. Lumialover2 (talk) 19:38, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with the removal, and we had consensus on WP:AIRLINES not to put Skytrax ratings in the lead of the article. &mdash;Comp dude 123 00:44, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I also agree. Significant corporate sponsorships are probably good to include in the article, but not in the lead section. —Psychonaut (talk) 16:45, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Graph for Turkish Airlines fleet
The Graph for Turkish Airlines fleet is distorted, please help fix it ASAP.

Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.234.24 (talk) 03:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Graph? I guess you meant the fleet table, which is in agreement with the official source provided to support it. BTW, your last edits were wrong. The airline has not firmed up an order for A380s, it is just considering their acquisition.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 10:53, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Kathmandu incident
Please stop adding the Kathmandu incident. The event is not notable per WP:AIRCRASH guidelines and Wikipedia is not a newspaper.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 22:00, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Some discussion on this topic took place here. Having known Jetstreamer's stand now, I find that to be reasonable. We can wait for further news on whether the aircraft could be repaired and flown off, or written off at the airport which will determine whether this incident is notable for inclusion. - Mailer Diablo 00:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * - Sorry, I hadn't seen this discussion before I made the addition. From what I can gather, the a/c was severely damaged, with specialist recovery equipment having to be flown in by the Indian Air Force. The fact that more than one editor has added the accident would seem to show that there is consensus for a mention. Whether or not it merits an article is a different matter. Probably not, but let's see what comes out in due course. See also talk:Airbus A330. Mjroots (talk) 19:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

The Infobox
Mr Hamdi Topçu, 'Chairman' of the Board, is THY's 'President'. In Turkish both words are one: 'Başkan'. (Mr Kotil, the CEO, is 'General Manager' and 'member' of the Board.) The information is on THY's official web page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.239.109.250 (talk) 16:41, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

2006 hijacking
Please note that I have reverted an unsourced addition again. A link to an article cannot be considered a source per WP:CIRCULAR, and WP:VERIFY requires a reliable source for every piece of information that is added. Furthermore, WP:BURDEN requires the editor who adds any material to provide reliable sources supporting the addition.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 19:05, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Bombing of Daallo Airlines Flight
Hi everyone. A Turkish Airlines flight was the intended target of a suspected suicide bombing that ended up affecting Daallo Airlines Flight 159 after a TK flight was cancelled. My edits to this article to this effect were deemed not notable and reverted because "cancellations occur all the time". I would disagree, it does seem notable to me as al-Shabaab stated that they targeted Turkish Airlines because they are the flag carrier of a NATO state and to target intelligence officials and NATO soldiers. I am corerect in thinking this would mean it is notable and this information deserves a place in the accidents & incidents section of this article? Thanks! LoudLizard (📞 | contribs) 20:50, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I've linked this discussion from WT:AIRLINES so everyone can participate.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 23:54, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Cheers! LoudLizard (📞 | contribs) 12:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Dont think it is worth noting on this page as nothing actually happened and we cant list everytime some iffy group makes threats, it happens all the time. MilborneOne (talk) 17:55, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Something did happen! The passengers from the return TK flight were put on the Daallo Airlines flight that had an explosion on board. LoudLizard (📞 | contribs) 17:59, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Doesnt make it encyclopedic, notability is not transferred to everything that they travelled on. MilborneOne (talk) 18:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

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Lounge renaming
My edit for the renamed lounge has been reverted claiming it is "unsupported by source given". That's just sloppy reading of the source given. Skylife is the official magazine of Turkish Airlines and the source cited was signed by M. İlker Aycı, the Chairman of the Board and the Executive Committee. Their decision to rename the lounge is not just a play of thought, but a binding act. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.135.103.43 (talk) 14:36, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * At the end of the first paragraph: "In order to commemorate this historic day, we decided to change the name of our CIP Passenger Lounge at Atatürk Airport to “July 15 Heroes of Democracy Lounge.”" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.135.103.43 (talk) 14:53, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You're totally right. I've reinstated your edit.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 14:54, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
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16 January 2017 TK6491 crash
There was a crash of a Boeing 747, operated by ACT Airlines for Turkish Airlines under the flight code TK6491. Should this appear in the list of accidents and incidents? - Toothswung (talk) 09:05, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Remove wet-leased aircraft from fleet list?
The fleet list in the article includes wet-leased aircraft (of which there are about 90), which according to WP:AIRLINE-FLEET-LIST it shouldn't. This is because the main source (the fleet list on THY's web site) is essentially a PR document and includes all aircraft, also the wet-leased ones. You can see more detailed information from Turkish Airlines' board reports, like here, which has a which aircraft are owned and which are leased under which conditions. Turkish Airlines owns about ~10% of its fleet, another ~65% are dry-leased, the remaining ~25% are wet-leased. I recently made an edit to make it clearer, but it was removed by. I propose either at least marking the wet-leased aircraft in the fleet list, or removing them altogether from the fleet list as per WP:AIRLINE-FLEET-LIST, but this will lead to lots of edits by other users later who look at THY's web site and haven't understood wet leases. - Toothswung (talk) 03:31, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Fleets not fully owned is a characteristic of most airlines. I don't see why the Turkish Airlines article should mention this. Again, this is not a fansite. Nobody cares if the fleet is owned or leased.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 14:05, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You're correct. So should we follow WP:AIRLINE-FLEET-LIST in removing the wet-leased aircraft or not? - Toothswung (talk) 15:05, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd say yes, but WP:AIRLINE-FLEET-LIST is somewhat contradictory. On the one hand it says to include all the aircraft flown by an airline. On the other hand it says not to include wet-leased aircraft. In any case, it does not say to fully disclose the owners of wet-leased aicraft. But you raise a good point and we can start a discussion at WT:AIRLINE over a clarification of this.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 15:19, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You need to take care about definitions the report says that 80 odd are on operating/wet leases so I suspect that very few are actually wet leased, that is operated on behalf of THY by somebody else and most are on operating leases which probably not relevant to the article. MilborneOne (talk) 15:46, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You're correct. That said, from the list it would seem that there are at least 27 that are actually wet leased (three cargo aircraft, one of which recently crashed, and the 24 B737-800 listed under "WL"). I think it still makes sense to raise the point. - Toothswung (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I started a discussion on WT:AIRLINE. - Toothswung (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Commented there too.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 16:03, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Turkish Airlines fleet
A Table and 2 paragraphs won't need a new page, do they? Daiyusha (talk) 05:18, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, no comments are necessary. You may revert to the original version whenever you want. should have discussed the split here before proceeding.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 16:29, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I dont see anything wrong with a separate fleet article, and if it as it should cover the history and development of the fleet it may then be to big to merge back in. MilborneOne (talk) 17:01, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ideally, but I don't think that is the case here. The user who split the fleet table into a stand alone article simply copied the information from the parent.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 20:51, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

New Chairman of the Board
Hello, someone should form the article for the new Chairman of the Board, Dr. Ahmet Bolat. Thank you, 46.31.118.93 (talk) 11:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Source?--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 12:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the IP suggests that we create an article for the person itself. Regarding the source about the change, the article was updated by me two months ago with sourcing. ~Styyx Talk ? 16:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification, I think you're right about it.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 17:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Recent changes to official name
Hello there. Sources for the recent changes were added by an IP in this edit. All prior changes were unsourced. That was what I referred to in WP:RPP. Jetstreamer $Talk$ 11:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * So are we good @? El_C 15:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, we are.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 22:56, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, but next time, Jetstreamer, when someone adds a citation in the edit summary, you should not be reverting that edit because it wasn't added inline. That's a bit subpar, I'm sorry to say. If the citation is sound, just attach it to the given text yourself, which even as a bare url only involves copying the link/s inside tags. Thanks. El_C 09:06, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Ankara & Izmir hubs
Saw the back and forth between @Lifetimelucid & @Jetstreamer regarding this.

I've done a bit of searching and I'm not seeing any evidence that these hubs exist. While Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, looking at our article for İzmir Adnan Menderes Airport, I'm seeing only Istanbul as a year-round destination for Turkish Airlines with five seasonal services (all unsourced but presumably the pilgrimage flights are valid)). Looking at flight connections, I'm only seeing one routes by Turkish from Izmir (Ordu and SAW are AnadoluJet and the Belgrade is codeshare from Air Serbia). Similarly, Ankara Esenboğa Airport shows only Istanbul + seasonal flights to pilgrimage destinations. Searching for articles referring to these hubs also turn up nothing.

Given this, it seems these hubs don't exist so I'm not sure how they got into the article. I'm going to go ahead and remove them. Avgeekamfot (talk) 20:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I see, my possible guess as to why it was a thing on the article was because the information likely came from a source i'm unfamiliar of, or from planespotters (not allowed on wikipedia as a source) because the site mentioned those as hubs too, I appreciate the contribution! Lifetimelucid (talk) 23:11, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * It was mentioned in here, here, here, and here. Perhaps one of those are reason on why it was included in the first place. Ckfasdf (talk) 11:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Huh that's super strange, CAPA is usually as reliable as it gets in terms of aviation. Maybe they fill in their profiles from a less reliable source? Great catch though! Avgeekamfot (talk) 17:24, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * One thing I want to ask is that İzmir's Adnan Menderes airport page says that it is a focus city for Turkish Airlines. Should the page for Turkish Airlines include a focus city for İzmir or should the focus city mention be removed on that page? Lifetimelucid (talk) 13:32, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * As long as that claim can satisfy WP:V, you can add or keep that claim. Regarding focus city for İzmir, there are not many source that state this (Izmir as secondary hub has more sources than this) such as here and here. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Antalya Airport hub
Antalya's Airport page lists Turkish Airlines as having a hub there, though there's only 1 scheduled flight from Antalya with Turkish that doesn't go to its hub back in Istanbul, Moscow-Vnukovo, there are also 13 seasonal destinations that fly out of Antalya with Turkish.

Should the page include a secondary hub / focus city for Antalya, or should it be unchanged? Lifetimelucid (talk) 20:59, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Archived ref not used in the article
Sunnya343 (talk) 05:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)