Talk:Turkish Americans

Info Box
I have add a Info Box. Hope you like it.--Babaeski 00:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment
Just as "Turkish" and "Turkic" aren't synonymous, "Turkish American" and "Turkic American" wouldn't be synonymous either.

Gringo300 18:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. This should be retitled "Turkish-Americans". I've never heard "Turk-American" or "Turkic-American" been ever used--Kilhan 09:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * From everything I've ever seen, "Turk" is a NOUN. "Turkish" and "Turkic" are adjectives. "Turkic Americans" would be far more grammatically sound than "Turk Americans". But I think the article is talking about TurkISH Americans, and that's what it should be changed to. Gringo300 21:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

How are pakistani americans and turkish americans related? i don't get it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.249.209.50 (talk) 17:44, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Added Organizations
I've added 26 states (sub-sections) and 54 organizations into the Organizations section. -- WiiVolve 12:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And I have removed them. Wikipedia is not a link farm.  User:Zoe|(talk) 09:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Then remove the links only. I took my time placing each and every one of these organizations in here. Take some time off yourself too. -- WiiVolve 02:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I will second. This is already an article in its infancy, there is nothing wrong with having those links until the time when the article will be expanded significantly. But please also remember the problem of systemic bias, which means that such articles take a long time to mature. The links can stay. Baristarim 02:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Per the discussion above, it appears that User:Zoe had a problem with the massive amount of links in this article back in January. And it doesnt look as if anything has changed since then. This article "in its infancy" has had four months to be cleaned up, but hasn't been. The huge numbers of links need to be removed. This isn't dmoz. Corvus cornix 20:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. If anyone wants to use the links for developing the article, I've put them below; you should keep in mind the policy on reliable sources. cab 02:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If somebody knows a reliable website where the links to these orgs are listed, we can have an external link to that website. Anyway, I guess the tag is about Bob Dylan (the others are rather obvious). I checked the article Bob Dylan, and its mentioned there that his paternal grandparents hail from Istanbul or Trabzon, I guess they are descendants of Sephardic Jews who immigrated to Ottoman Empire in the late 15th century. Check this:, it is but a blog, we might be able to find the original (Dylan, Chronicles, Vol. 1, 92–93). denizTC 09:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

HI

just because SOME of Bob Dylan's JEWISH ancestors lived in turkey for SOME time, it doesnt make him turkish

thanks

Connecticut
Turkish American Medical Association

Florida
North Florida Turkish American Cultural Association

Georgia
Turkish American Society of Agusta & Aiken

Hawaii
Turkish American Friendship Association of Hawaii

Louisiana
Turkish American Association of Louisiana

Michigan
Turkish American Neuropsychiatric Association

New Jersey
American Turkish Islamic and Cultural Center

Karacay Turks Mosque and Cultural Association

Solidarity of Balkan Turks of America

Türk Ocağı

Turkestanian American Association

Turkish Cypriot Cultural and Educational Association of New Jersey

New York

 * Bağlama Büyüsü — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.155.92.110 (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriot Aid Society

Turkish Women's League of America

Oklahoma
Turkish American Association of Oklahoma

Pennsylvania
Turkish-American Muslims Cultural Association

Washington DC
Washington Turkish Women Association

Wisconsin
Turkish American Association of Milwaukee

Turk or Turkish?
I think this should be made clear. The correct term is Turkish American for people who have origins in Turkey. Also please stop including other Turkic speaking peoples. This is just for people from Turkey. -- Behnam 02:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Republic of Turkey or Rep of Turkey + geographically Turkish? Is Bob Dylan Turkish American due to his grandparents? DenizTC 08:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Turk American is flatly ungrammatical. No one would ever say *Swede American or *Dane American. In all of these expressions, "American" is a noun; we don't use a noun signifying nationality (e.g. "Swede", "Dane", "Turk") to modify another noun. We use the adjective instead: Swedish American, Danish American, and here Turkish American. Türk Amerikan or Türk Amerikalısı might be possible in Turkish, but not in English. Q·L·1968 ☿ 16:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Alabama is not named after "Allah"
I was looking at the source of this article, and it appears to be based on a virulently nationalist perspective, which suggests among other things that the words "Allegheny" and "Alabama" evidence Turkish influence in the origins of the modern USA, because they include the word "Allah". "Kentucky" and "Niagara" were apparently also named by Turks. The article also suggests that the traditional Turkish bogeymen, the Armenians and the Greeks, hate and persecute Turkish people in America, and that in America the "alleged genocide" of Armenians is advertised on "neon lighted signs... creat[ing] an atmosphere in which Turks are under siege and continually forced to defend themselves."

Perhaps it would also be a good idea to remove Tiffani Thiessen and Bob Dylan (and probably half the other images) from this entry, as these people are clearly not "Turkish American", except perhaps to confused nationalists desperate to feed the mythos. DBaba (talk) 19:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Bronson?!
This article reads like a fairy-tale... Among the other claims that I found laughable is that Charles Bronson is supposed to be Turkish... Now this affected me because I am a Lithuania American, I don't even know where the association came from, Lithuania was never affected by Tatar or Ottoman invaders, there's no connection at all. Koalorka (talk) 05:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Article should be moved to Turkish American
Someone should move it to Turkish American, that is more correct as can be seen by the long list of Turkish American organizations. TheNewPianist (talk) 17:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Image gallery
Per WP:NFC, non-free images are generally not allowed in galleries because in that context they are used without critical commentary and thus fail the significance criterion. Please use only freely licensed and public domain images in the gallery. Thanks! —Angr If you've written a quality article... 07:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Melungeons
We should maybe add a section about the Melungeons as they claim to have Turkish roots. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetruthonly (talk • contribs) 16:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Improving the article
This week I will begin to try and improve this article, using academic sources for everything. A lot of work is needed; I would appreciate any help from other experienced users to make this a better article. It is important that all unsourced/unreliable work be deleted.  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 13:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

You might want to add orkut büyükkökten in this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkut_Büyükkökten

Racial Classification of Turkish Americans
The racial classification of Turkish Americans is too big to be omitted here. Wonder why no one has included any info' in this regard. According to Census2000 "A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa was classified as WHITE". However, until the 13th century, Anatolia was not occupied by the Turkish. The Turkish(originally central asian/altaic people) settlement in the Asia minor region was rather complete by the end of the 15th century. So, the Turkish are not the original people of Turkey/Anatolia, are they? The timeline of the "beginning of the immigration and its completion" is less than 800 years old. Some still argue that most Turkish people are "Turkized Anatolians/Hittites" and not ethnic Turks. However those scholars are fewer in number, and even today the Turkish are "ethno-linguistically" classified as "Altaic people". I understand that many (Turkish Americans) have self identified as white in the U.S. census. But, going by the census' definition of "WHITE", do Turkish people fall under that category? Could anyone here do some research and try to find sources? Thank You. TheEnterpreneur (talk) 13:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

James Ben Ali Haggin
James Ben Ali Haggin is neither a citizen of Turkey nor an ethnic Turk. (See his article, it only says 'American'. Please do not add him again to the infobox. Thanks. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 20:59, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The status of ethnic Turkish people born in the Ottoman Empire or were Ottoman citizens and/or were their descendants, must be clarified. They should be included too. Though Ottoman citizens of non-Turkish descent must be exempted, otherwise it would dilute the purpose of this article, as it is about American citizens of Turkish descent; and secondarily about Turkish citizens who may not be ethnic Turkish as in the Daron Acemoglu case. American Jews, Greeks and Armenians who emigrated from the Ottoman Empire to the United States before the Republic of Turkey was founded, are excluded and directed to their own respective articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.66.218.173 (talk) 21:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * has created his own definition of what being Turkish means outside of Turkey . I think his definition falls under the "whoever is a Turkish citizen is an ethnic Turk" concept stemming from old-fashioned Turkish Republican ideals (for more information see here). But at this point, this definition has not reached a definitive consensus. In order to avoid any OR on our part, I think a broader consensus involving the Wiki community at large is necessary. Not only is the current definition WP:OR, but it also fails to align itself with the definition of what being Turkish means in the Turkish people article. As of now, the Turkish people article is the consensus. Anything outside of that falls under OR. As for my opinion, citizenship is far different than race. This means removing anyone from the infobox whose background is not Turkish (i.e. Daron Acemoglu). What's next? Should we add Gerard Depardieu to Russians in France page too? Étienne Dolet (talk) 22:41, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * IP, I responded to your question at the below section and also added more sources on the page of Prof. Acemoğlu. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 07:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

US and Racism
The discussion section above pronounces race and smells racism. This is why I am writing here separately, and not inviting any discussion but only to explain my edits. This article is about America(ns) and the United States, a great melting pot of people of all ethnicities and religions and also a place of meeting for all nationalities. (The US is the center of the UN, another thing.) What is more normal than adding a Jewish Turk (or Turkish Jew, I can't understand the difference) like Ms Janet Akyüz or Daron Acemoğlu an Armenian Turk or a Turkish Armenian to the list of Turkish Americans... In the American society, there are Asian-Americans, Afro-Americans, Irish-Americans etc and the Turks have Turkish Armenians, Turkish Jews etc. Both of these two people were born in Turkey as Turkish citizens. They studied in Turkey. They express themselves in Turkish. If Mrs Akyüz were a French-American, or simply a French woman, would we be talking about her religion or ethnicity? Are we trying to whisper something in-between WP lines about the Turks being a Muslim-majority people? There is less -indeed nothing- to discuss about Prof. Acemoḡlu. He maintains his Turkish citizenship. He is married to a Turkish woman. (I am not interested in anybody's ethnicity but I believe she is not a Turkish Armenian.) In short, Mr Acemoḡlu is an outstanding member of the Turkish community in the United States and a very prominent and universally respected Turkish academic who represents the name of his country in the United States and elsewhere in the world. I believe he will increase the number of Turkish Nobel laurates some day. I guess for these and other qualities he possess, the Turkish Government offered him an ambassadorial post recently. There is nothing wrong about him being in this list. I would prefer to see his name on the top of the list. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Why should I have a User Name? You're still creating your own definition of "Turkishness". This is entirely WP:OR and borderline WP:POV. I've already said enough. It's pointless to argue when there's a severe SPI against you. If the SPI succeeds, all your edits will have to be reverted at any rate. Cheers, Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:01, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia of Cleveland History
Please note that the estimate of 500,000 given in The Encyclopedia of Cleveland History was published in 1996, not 2005, see ISBN 0253330564. I have corrected this in the article and included the more up-to-date estimate of more than 1 million given by John Bryson. If any problems occur with the link, you download a pdf version through here. Sseevv (talk) 12:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)