Talk:Turkish Van

"They bred true"
I am unclear on what this means. Is this a British phrase? I think it needs to be clarified for other readers. Also, does anyone have a particular interest in this breed of cat? The article could sure use some work as a whole. Bali88 (talk) 02:36, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

"Black" Turkish Van variety
The pictured cat is decidedly not a black cat. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 12 Adar 5775 19:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

No reliable source for "White ring-tailed cat" name
A carefully constructed Google search for variant spellings ("white ringtail", etc.) finds nothing reliable, just people's YouTube videos, blog sites, etc. From what I can tell, some Germans call this breed the Armenischen Ringelschwanzkatze ('Armenian ring-tail-cat'), but that's irrelevant to en.Wikipedia. We have no reliable source for such a name in English. I removed this alleged alternative name a few weeks ago, and this is why; just forgot to annotate this here. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  02:14, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, of those pseudo-sources, it's not clear in them whether they are talking about the Turkish Van breed, the Van cat landrace, both, or neither. One of them shows a ring-tailed wild cat species.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  12:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

De-trainwrecking this article
Someone(s) – I'm not going to dig through history to lay blame – has sorely, terribly confused the Turkish Van breed and the Van cat landrace. These are separate articles for a reason. Even some ostensibly "reliable" sources confuse them (mostly tertiary sources, like low-end "cat encyclopedias" and breeder-written and breeder-promotional fancier magazines). I've fixed the lead to stop making this confusion, and separated the History material into two subsections.

However, I think the History subsection about the Van cat should simply be deleted as off-topic. There is zero evidence whatsoever that any of the foundation stock of the Turkish Van breed were Van cats from the Lake Van area. All of the known stock were in fact known to be from there. The attempt to conflate Van cat and Turkish Van is pure original research and is doing our readers a serious disservice.

PS: Any tidbits of sourced info in the Van cat subsection here that are not in the Van cat article should be merged in. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * If they're two different things, then they're two different things, and any misplaced information should be re-homed to its proper article. SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the van cat section should be merged. Its confusing since it isnt related to the Turkish Van SpookMew (talk) 20:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I looked at moving the section, but didn't find any reliably-sourced material relevant to this page. The entire section was based on one reference (Turkish Van) and it's not at all clear that this has any relevant to Van cat. So, given the discussion above, I deleted the content as there is nothing warranting a move. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klbrain (talk • contribs) 15:32, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Picture
stop deleting Momo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.205.229.24 (talk) 20:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Kindly explain what is wrong with the picture of Momo the cat? Would another picture of him be tolerable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.205.229.24 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It's a pointless picture of some random cat's belly, and is no way encyclopedically illustrative of this breed. That could be any kind of long-haired cat. And we don't need any more pictures in this article anyway, so we don't need you to upload another one. Wikipedia is not a memorial site, including for pets. Commons.wikimedia.org maybe could use some additional good cat pictures for general use, but that does not magically make them necessary to include in this article.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That said, if you have an expecially good one that would help readers better understand what a Turkish Van looks like than one of the other pictures already included, that would of course be worth consideration.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)