Talk:Turkish coffee

The person in charge of this page seems racist
As a respected scholar, and scientist, I try to change the data on here. It says for example that "Country of Origin - Constantinople" ... Constantinople is not a country! It was the capital city of the Roman/Byzantine Empire (330–1204 and 1261–1453), and also of the brief Latin (1204–1261), and the later Ottoman (1453–1923). In addition there is no evidence stating that the Turks created or invented the coffee. The Armenians lived in the region long before the Turks and have been using and preparing it the same way long before. In addition, the first picture of coffee being prepared is in Armenian china not Turkish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.157.220.254 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi. I noticed your comment that for some reason no one replied to. In the hopes that you one day read my reply, let me tell you that not one specific person is in charge of Wikipedia article's pages. In general, anyone can edit them, even unregistered people. In fact, you can make the changes you deem fit in this article.
 * But said changes need to comply with the policies of Wikipedia. For example, they need to be backed up by reliable sources. In addition, most of the time they need to also comply with guidelines and be accepted by consensus.
 * If you can't edit a page that is protected, you would need to make an edit request. Cheers!  Thinker78  (talk) 19:42, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

First cafe in Vienna
The first cafe serving Turkish Coffee was opened in Vienna by the Polish nobleman and dyplomat Jerzy Franciszek Kulczycki. He was considered a hero by Austrians for his actions during the Siege of Vienna. In his cafe he used coffee beans left behind by retreating Turkish army. It was the Polish King Jan III Sobieski who defeated Turks and liberated Vienna. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.132.151 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 5 June 2021  (UTC)

Revert
made a revert of my edit, stating, "Not significant enough for lede section ,and cited source is only a blog, marginally acceptable in Wikipedia if at all; move further down. Breadth of assertion ("throughout the world") not supported by cited source; amend accordingly."

I have to reply,


 * 1) I believe it is significant enough to be included in the lead because it is about the name of the subject and its controversy.
 * 2) The cited source, NPR, as far as I know is not a blog, but a major media organization funded in part by the federal government of the USA.
 * 3) My edit did not state "throughout the world", but rather "around the world", which is different. Around means according to Merriam Webster dictionary, "on various sides", "here and there : from one place to another", definition that is supported by the source, which mentions several countries that have the controversy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinker78 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Predatory source
Whatever be the status of Pakistan Journal of Nutrition, it is a valid citation for this particular purpose. It is cited to show, not that Turkish coffee originated in Damascus, but that its authors have claimed it did. This is distinctly stated in the text of the article. Ttocserp 08:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This is simply WP:UNDUE. We don't need to repeat claims made in non-serious venues. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Predatory journals are certainly a serious concern; on that we can agree. However, the Küçükkömürler and Özgen paper was published in 2009; at that time the Pakistan Journal of Nutrition was included in Scopus, and was not in Beall's list. That it was a "non-serious venue" then, has not been established.  In what forum?


 * As for WP:UNDUE, this is not a fringe theory but a highly plausible claim, since the Middle East coffeehouse originated in Damascus and was brought to Istanbul by Syrians. I shall add a citation to that effect. Ttocserp 11:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * PJN was not in Beall's list at the time because Beall's list did not exist in 2009. It's publisher ANSINET/Asian Network for Scientific Information, is listed in Beall. This is not a reliable source, and we should not repeat those claims in Wikipedia voice. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 10:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Serving size?
What I find missing from this article is information about how to put together a reference cup of the stuff. What size of cup is it served in? How much coffee is used? How much water? 2003:F5:FF0E:53F5:4DF2:1D33:E740:429F (talk) 09:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Like playing the piano, it takes practice. I've put in a section explaining the ideal.Ttocserp 03:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)