Talk:Turkmen tribes

Tekintsy
Should we mention 'elite' troops of the Tekke tribe under Kornilov during WWI? Also as part of growing 'warlordism'? 82.217.116.224 (talk) 10:57, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Merge with Turkmen
This looks like an isolated, parallel stub to Turkmens and should be merged into that, I think. Comments? --Pete Tillman (talk) 21:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I possibly spread misinformation by accident
I am the main author of the annotation "Bronze figurine, dated to 4th-1st century BC, of a Heavenly Horse, a.k.a. Dayuan Horse or Ferghana horse, possibly ancestral to Turkmen Akhal-Teke horse." for this picture based on clues found in this article such as


 * "Heavenly horse 天马. A Chinese ancient ceremonial bronze finial with a standing horse, 4th-1st century BC"
 * "The horse breed on the bronze top is very similar to the horses of Fergana — one of the centers of horse breeding in the Ancient East."
 * "Heavenly horses — different cultural interpretations of the same image
 * The first major difference between the two artifacts found in Northern China is how the image of the heavenly horse was perceived in the eyes of both cultures. Nomadic tribes perceived heavenly horses as having certain spiritual value, while the rulers of China saw them as material goods. The two artifacts found express this difference vividly. The second difference is the different significance of the two artifacts — the Ordos horse served as a cult object for nomadic tribes, while the galloping horse reflected the philosophical and aesthetic preferences of the Chinese people in the ancient times.
 * To date, there are only two significant artifacts in the world that are dedicated to heavenly horses. One of them is a bronze horse galloping and a bird, found in the Gansu province, which is kept in a museum in Lanzhou, China. The second is a bronze top horse from Ordos, which was found in the North part of China in the early twentieth century. Dating of the top revealed that the artifact belongs to the period between the 4th and 1st century BC. The artifact is kept in a private collection."

etc.

I took the claims, especially "Heavenly horses — different cultural interpretations of the same image", by the article's author at face value. However, now I've realized nowhere in the article does the author provide proofs that the horses depicted by the Ordos horse figurine belongs to the same breed as those depicted by the Gansu horse figurine, which is generally agreed to depict a Dayuan's Ferghana horse or Heavenly Horse 天馬/天马. Even the Russian-language article, the source of said English-language article, does not contain any further source. & the study cited by Miroslav Kutsev (who created the image of Ordos horse figurine) contains no mention about Akhal-Teke horses' relation to horses from Ordos

My apology for the very misleading annotation. Erminwin (talk) 21:50, 7 September 2021 (UTC)