Talk:Turn Left/Archive 1

Doctor-lite
I've added that this is the Doctor-lite episode - it was already mentioned on the Midnight article. Digifiend (talk) 14:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source? What is Doctor lite?--Cameron (T|C) 14:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * An episode without the Doctor. 82.17.105.0 (talk) 21:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I see it was removed by Edokter, then re-added later. It wasn't speculation, as he claimed, as DWM was already out. Fact is, if I needed a source, it shouldn't have been on the Midnight page either. In any case, Doctor Who Magazine has now been cited. Digifiend (talk) 09:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Does DWM use the term "Doctor-lite"? I'm sure the term, originally referring to Love and Monsters, came from an official source. 86.136.156.205 (talk) 18:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't know, but SFX does. I see the phrase Doctor-lite has been removed from both the Midnight and Turn Left articles. Digifiend (talk) 09:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Steven Moffat uses the term "Doctor-lite" in an interview in next week's Radio Times - it's page 11, second column. 86.136.156.205 (talk) 16:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The new boss - it doesn't get any more official than that. Thus the rewording wasn't actually required, but never mind, it's fine as it is. You've done a lot of articles 86.136, you really should register. Digifiend (talk) 09:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC) I think 86.136 works as a name on its own. A bit like 'Seven of Nine' in Star Trek Voyager. :o)193.36.79.207 (talk) 10:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Turn Left
This article reads: The episode, filmed at the same time as "Turn Left", is "Doctor-lite", while "Midnight" is "Donna-lite".[2] And is copied straight from the "Midnight" page. I assume that it should read something more like ''This episode, "Turn Left", is "Doctor-lite" and was filmed at the same time as "Midnight" which is "Donna-lite" Unfortunately I can't edit the page as it is protected. 90.198.154.95 (talk) 14:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll add it for you.:) JordanAshley (talk) 09:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that 90.216.50.233 (talk) 10:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

UNIT?
This page has been added to the UNIT Stories template, and the template has been added to this page. Is there any evidence that this is a UNIT story? U-Mos (talk) 13:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Doctor Who Magazine's preview for the episode shows a woman in UNIT uniform standing in front of the TARDIS. --OZOO (Whaddya think, sirs?) 13:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And the uniforms used are clearly UNIT ones, including the logo. Also a number of minor recurring UNIT cast members reappear, although surprisingly, not Colonel Mace. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 09:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well that told me. Should this not be mentioned in the article then? U-Mos (talk) 13:54, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, it's in. --OZOO (Whaddya think, sirs?) 13:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

If only every issue was solved in ten minutes... U-Mos (talk) 14:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Private Harris
It says in contiunty (sorry for spelling errors but I'm in a rush)that the person playing Harris in Sontaran Stragegem and Poison Sky reprised his role. Yet he dies in Stagegem and Poion. He and Private Grey, during the attack on the factory, while hypnotitised step forward and announce they are reporting for duty, to the sontarans, the sontaran passing close to them turns while still walking in the same dirction and shoots them As the shots didn't actually hit them on-screen (the cameara leaves them just as the bolts would have impacted them) some may argue that he wan't killed. but it;s clear he was as who else would the Sontaran have shot. all the other unti officers were infront of the Sontarans, so why did this one shoot backwards if not at them. plus he shot eaxctly 2 shots and in their direction What dya thin? --I.W Iway amway Imagineway Izardway. 20:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * His appearance is pre-Sontaran. Sceptre (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct. Harris's appearance in this Episode is at the conclusion of the alternate events of Runaway Bride, which occurred over a year before The Sontaran Stratagem/Poison Sky. 208.45.74.83 (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, he appears in an alternate timeline and thus we have no idea if there even was an attack on the factory or anything. --SoWhy Talk 22:32, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That settles it. In order to save Private Harris, it is necessary that the Doctor die.  We should have been rooting for Racnoss. -Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The

Martha Jones
Is is safe to assume that her character will be returning in this episode? According to this, she "will appear in five episodes of Series Four". As she has only appeared in 2 so far, and this is the third from last episode, it is logical that she will reappear here. Gammondog (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, she's not in this one. She's appeared in three this year. ╟─ TreasuryTag (talk ╬ contribs) ─╢ 15:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry, you're right. My mistake. :D Gammondog (talk) 14:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Martha is killed when the Judoon hijack the Hospital where she works, although she is not shown in the episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.196.62 (talk) 18:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As are the cast of the Sara Jane Adventures.
 * Which is interesting, because it places SJA Series 1 in 2008 instead of 2009. -- Noneofyourbusiness (talk) 00:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The dating in Turn Left is problematic (not least because it's on an alternative time-stream where things may not tally) but also because Christmases come and go to indicate the passage of time, so you'd have towork out precisely how many pass us by,and of course definitively place the year of the 'turn right or turn left' incident. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 09:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, being a very strong proponent on these discussion pages for placing SJA between January 2009 and April 2010 (The Lost Boy therefore being fifteen months, not five months after Invasion of the Bane), I vote for the idea that, in the alternate-timeline in this episode, SJA indeed starts as early as (October) 2008, because that's possible. In "our" timeline, though, January 2009 remains the starter [User: Stripey]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.250.40 (talk) 08:00, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Clyde's mention is the only thing problematic. If he hadn't been mentioned, the dates could've matched up, as Invasion of the Bane was broadcast before Smith and Jones. Digifiend (talk) 09:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it is correct that Martha Jones is to appear in five episodes, but those do not include Turn Left, She already appeared in three: 'The Sontaren Strategem', 'The poisen Sky' and 'the Doctor's Daughter', and is set to appear in 'The Stolen Earth' and 'Journeys End' The First Darklord (talk) 21:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Full synopsis
I gave up my enjoyment of the episode to add facts as I saw them in the episode, but I think I missed a few points ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 18:35, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone removed the episode refs, aren't we allowed to cite the episode itself in the plot synopsis? It seems like the most reliable source to me ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 18:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course we can cite it. As a primary source, it just doesn't need . --SoWhy Talk 09:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Time
Its not 45 Minutes. Its 49 minutes and 25 seconds. (See here) Please correct the infobox. Thanks  Mangwanani  (talk) 20:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Note: Same thing happened with Last of the Time Lords. Might want to mention that. Digifiend (talk) 13:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And this is vital...why, again? - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  15:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Because that time was to avoid footage being cut. If we can source an explanation - I assume it was the same reason - then it would be significant, especially as this time it wasn't even the finale. Digifiend (talk) 09:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Paradox
Is it worth mentioning that the last time the TARDIS turned red like that was because The Master turned it into the Paradox Machine?71.150.251.72 (talk) 08:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think so, it's a bit of a vague connection. The Cloister Bell is enough. U-Mos (talk) 09:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Can some one change something for me?
In the Continuity section it says

Sarah Jane Smith is mentioned for the first time since her appearance in "School Reunion"

She was mentioned the The Girl in the Fireplace when Mickey was talking about all the woman the Doctor says he has met.

Or is this just not important enough to change and it should be left? 86.157.161.103 (talk) 09:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Absolutely, thanks for reminding me of that. Will change it now. U-Mos (talk) 09:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Ethnicity of man in terraced house in Leeds
The article says "Middle Eastern", but having watched the episode twice, I was left with the strong impression he was meant to be Italian. His accent is not conclusive, but use of the word 'palazzo' to describe the kitchen, for example, and speaking of his 'mamma' do seem to point to an Italian origin. To whoever put 'Middle Eastern', can you provide any evidence, from the episode itself or from the production info/publications/press releases that would support your description? Otherwise, either the adjective should be removed (since it is not stated where he and his family are from), or changed to "Italian" or "Mediterranean". Scyrene (talk) 12:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree - I think his actions were "stereotypical" of an Italian or Mediterranean person.  [Jam] [talk] 12:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with the reasoning. Also, Donna calls him "Mussolini" once when she is fed up with his singing. --SoWhy Talk 12:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I re-worded the sentence earlier to remove the "Middle Eastern" phrase. If you want to re-instate it with Italian, that's fine with me.  [Jam] [talk] 12:45, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good rewording. Let's keep it that way, his name is in the Infobox anyway as "Rocco Colasanto" if I see that correctly, which is enough to show that he is meant to be Italian. --SoWhy Talk 12:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The character is obviously supposed to be Italian, but the reader can infer that (as do we) from his name. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 13:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Or Sicilian. Or Corsican. Or Balearic. Really, we haven't a clue. Maybe we can ease up on the Junior Detective speculative stuff that is better left to the wacky Whoover fan sites. This speculative crap is so far beneath our purpose as an encyclopedia as to be underground. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  22:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Tennant's accent slips
Someone feel free to add this to the main page (assuming it won't get immediately deleted for some reason or another): his accent slips back into his native Scottish in his last line of the episode. 68.103.0.248 (talk) 03:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no noticable change of accent, but it's difficult to tell in any case as he only utters six words in his last line of the episode. Peteb16 (talk) 04:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Fortune Teller
Not sure on this, but isn't the maid at the manor house Donna visits during christmas the fortune teller? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.170.146 (talk) 13:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it'a different actress - check the guest stars list.Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that she was shouting at Donna in Spanish: "Hay algo sobre su espalda" or something similar ("there's something on your shoulder"). Chipo is versatile, but a native Spanish speaker would be better for the part. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 15:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)