Talk:Turnip/Archive 1

Domain
This article doesn't know if it's about all of Brassica rapa, or only about the turnip. &mdash; Pekinensis 02:01, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I only had to make a few small changes to fix that. There is also now an article Brassica rapa.  &mdash; Pekinensis 19:07, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Disambig
I'd like to make a clearer disambiguation here. I know the information is all present if you read it, but we can make it easier for the visitor. Hope no-one objects...--Doric Loon 19:29, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * There are several problems with the scheme you implemented which conflict with naming conventions, so I have moved the articles. The common name is preferable and B. r. rapa is the vegetable most commonly refered to as the turnip, further to call the page Turnip (Brassica rapa) is not strictly correct in terms of nomenclature. I have moved this page back to turnip and moved the disambig to the appropriate disambig location.--nixie 12:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Plagarism
A large part of the _Culture_ section is taken without attribution from Project Gutenberg's version of

The Mirror of Literature, Amusement, and Instruction. Volume 10, No. 289, December 22, 1827 ( http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11378 ).

The difference that the previous writer noted is between the section of the article that was written recently and the section copied from a source in the 1800s without attribution. Corprew 17:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC) Corprew

Turnip Recipe
Should we include one? Or perhaps a link? Open for discussion. Dfrg.msc 10:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Feeble!
Those pictures have some really feeble turnips in them! Anyone got a picture of a proper, fully grown, turnip?! --Mal 06:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed large block of text
I removed the following block of text:
 * Until the beginning of the eighteenth century, this valuable root was cultivated among us only in gardens or other small spots, for culinary purposes; but Lord Townshend, attending King George the First on one of his excursions to Germany, in the quality of secretary of State, observed the turnip cultivated in open and extensive fields, as fodder for cattle, and spreading fertility over lands naturally barren; and on his return to England he brought over with him some of the seed, and strongly recommended the practice which he had witnessed to the adoption of his own tenants, who occupied a soil similar to that of Hanover. The experiment succeeded; the cultivation of field turnips gradually spread over the whole county of Norfolk; and in the course of time it has made its way into every other district of England. The reputation of the county as an agricultural district dates from the vast improvements of heaths, wastes, sheepwalks, and warrens, by enclosure and manuring&mdash;the fruit of the zealous exertions of Lord Townshend and a few neighbouring land-owners&mdash;which were, ere long, happily imitated by others. Since these improvements were effected, rents have risen in that county from one or two shillings to fifteen or twenty shillings per acre (£10 or £20 to £180 to £250/km²); a country of sheep-walks and rabbit-warrens has been rendered highly productive; and by dint of management, what was thus gained has been preserved and improved even to the present moment. Some of the finest corn-crops in the world are now grown upon lands which, before the introduction of the turnip husbandry, produced a very scanty supply of grass for a few lean and half-starved rabbits. Mr. Colquhoun, in his "Statistical Researches," estimated the value of the turnip crop annually grown in this country at fourteen millions; but when we further recollect that it enables the agriculturist to reclaim and cultivate land which, without its aid, would remain in a hopeless state of natural barrenness; that it leaves the land so clean and in such fine condition, as almost to ensure a good crop of barley and a kind plant of clover, and that this clover is found a most excellent preparative for wheat, it will appear that the subsequent advantages derived from a crop of turnips must infinitely exceed its estimated value as fodder for cattle.

It appeared to be plagiarized from an excerpt of a book. Please do not readd any of this without rewording. Also, if you reword and readd, consider shortening significantly because a lot of this seems superfluous. Ufwuct 23:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

rapifera?
The turnip (Brassica rapa var. rapa)

I thought the variation that we refer to as Turnip is called Brassica rapa var. rapifera? I accept the 99,9% possibility that I am wrong... sorry, my first time trying to write in a discussion page.

--Snufle 14:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Human Uses
The mention of the eating of mashed turnip with haggis and potatoes in Scotland is out of place as it isn't this type of turnip that is eaten- it is the swede or rutabaga or yellow/purple turnip that is eaten as 'bashed neeps' with haggis and 'champit tatties'.Ewan carmichael 07:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What's the 'Persia' the article refers to - Is this term used because we are still referring to ancient sources and ancient uses? In that case the tense is incorrect. Please clarify this. Courtesy of Gavla 12:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Strangeness....
I removed the section on Scotland and Wales - and the section on Amynta Wood Gush - and the Killers...

I also fixed the picture and over threw the evil members of the Turnip Awareness Program - a front for the Peoples United Front of Turnip Haters - we the people of the United Lovers of Turnips will continue our quest to get all of you kicked out of the USA - damed pinkos

plus I fixed the picture...

Karnak 19:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

saugur
saugur sweey but  bad'''  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.249.182 (talk) 23:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Root Beer
Surprised no mention whatsoever of root beer. Maybe I'll come back and fix this when I've more time! IntoYourHead (talk) 15:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Why don't we eat them anymore?
Does anyone know why peas, carrots, potatoes, and their ilk are all still commonly eaten, but turnips aren't? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 00:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's all a matter of taste. I eat turnips more often than peas, but some people dislike the slightly bitter taste of the turnip (though not as bitter as Brussels Sprouts?).  What makes you think that they are not commonly eaten?    D b f i r s   13:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Several varieties of turnips are popular in China. Big white ones are often cut up and then boiled (with some ham) until tender. ArthurDuhurst (talk) 23:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

"Cultivation" language
The large "Cultivation" section with verbatim text from the Household Cyclopedia uses archaic English, excessive adjectives, and some questionable POV claims. While I have no problem with this source, I don't think cut-and-pasting the text is suitable. Anyone want to summarize and paraphrase? The section is more of a how-to than encyclopedic information. There's good to be gleaned, but please consider rewriting the entire section and citing the Household Cyclopedia as a source instead. James A. Stewart (talk) 01:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism??
Please stop with the nonsense about the Killers and their love of turnips..... Karnak 20:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

And please stop with the scatological nonsense (swearing, "ass," crap, etc. Don't have time to go through and clean it up, but can someone please do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Involvelemons (talk • contribs) 02:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Flavor of Turnip Greens
Article states that "they resemble mustard greens in flavor." I regularly eat turnip greens and other greens, including mustard greens, and they taste nothing alike. Mustard greens have a very strong spicy flavor. Turnip greens do not. If there's no good explanation from the person who wrote this, I suggest this sentence be modified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.0.192.177 (talk) 12:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Is it a root, or what?
The article appears to contradict itself on whether or not the swollen orb is the root. Please clarify, somebody. CGameProgrammer 00:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps what we need is a better picture - one that shows the uncut plant with the whole tap root and foliage, not just the globe cut separate. 65.0.192.177 (talk) 12:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC) Bluedude

I'd call that a "White Turnip"
I'm from N. Ireland and where I'm from this article refers to "White turnips". In Ireland and northern Britain this is a Turnip (I'd never heard of a "Rutabaga" before). I think that this requires further dis-ambiguation by stating this in the opening paragraph, as opposed to solely saying "For similar vegetables also called "turnip", see Turnip (disambiguation). 80.219.51.173 (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Nutrition
There are no sources for the nutrition part???? Also I saw other articles that says it has other nutritional value rather than "just vitamin C"..... I think this should be investigated more Double0three (talk) 02:31, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Charles "Turnip" Townshend
Maybe there should be something about Charles Townshend, 2nd Viscount Townshend's contribution to the turnip's use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.140.185.146 (talk) 19:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Picture needed
We need a picture of the turnip root, since that's the familiar edible part anyway.


 * Done! Although it's a a small turnip, taken with a cheap camera, moments before the turnip was eaten.  It will do for the moment, but I'd be very happy if the picture was replaced with a better one.  pjf 10:02, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The pics on my browser look like they are going over the text can that be fixed? user:andham2000

My mother-in-law cut off its "tail" (lower tip) before I had a chance to take this photo. This is an example of one popular type of turnip in China. ArthurDuhurst (talk) 23:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that's a Chinese radish. Turnips  are quite uncommon in China, but Chinese radishes have been bred to be large and substantial, and so might easily be mistaken for a turnip. Rotcaeroib (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Garbled
"In this stage, if the ground has not been very foul, the seed process." This sentence seems have got garbled. I suppose it ought to read something like this: "In this stage, if the ground has not been very foul, the seed can be sown" but perhaps whoever wrote it wanted to say something more. Could anyone with expert knowledge clear it up please?Campolongo (talk) 09:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Turnip lanterns
Surely the paragraph on "turnip lanterns" should be transferred to the article on Rutabaga, what the Scots call "neeps", and the English call "swedes". Skinsmoke (talk) 17:29, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Language Structure
Until the beginning of the eighteenth century, this valuable root was cultivated among us only in gardens or other small spots, for culinary purposes; but Lord Townshend, attending King George the First on one of his excursions to Germany, in the quality of secretary of State, observed the turnip cultivated in open and extensive fields, as fodder for cattle, and spreading fertility over lands naturally barren; and on his return to England he brought over with him some of the seed, and strongly recommended the practice which he had witnessed to the adoption of his own tenants, who occupied a soil similar to that of Hanover.

Is this section a quote from somewhere? It seems rather oddly constructed ("among us", who? "the quality of secretary of State"), though not actually wrong. I realise it's not attributed as a quotation, but that may be an oversight; or, i think, it needs slightly reworking. Lindsay H. 18:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I was just thinking that it read like a passage from the 1911 EB, but the article isn't in that category... Where'd it come from? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk 21:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)




 * Maybe from here? This does not appear to be a mirror site of Wikipedia.  It seems to have lengthy book excerpts from many different types of books, including textbooks.  Ufwuct 22:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see below]. [[User:Ufwuct|Ufwuct 23:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I second that motion. Look at this prose: ''The singling out of the young plants is an operation of great importance, for an error committed in this process can hardly be afterward rectified. Boys and girls are always employed as hoers; but a steady and trusty man-servant is usually set over them to see that the work is properly executed.''

Does anyone else think this is a joke/prank? "Boys and girls", "a steady and trusty man-servant"? It's silly fun, but shouldn't it go on uncyclopedia rather than wikipedia? As an anonymous wiki reader, I prefer a wiki admin make the call here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.2.7.49 (talk) 18:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Spanish translation
I don't know how to add the spanish translation, I have tried and I get errors.

It should link to http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.69.254.55 (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Funny
Just wanted to preserve this here:

"The turnip, which is a very popular vegetable in the music world, can be often often found at festivals and parties being served with its root vegetable family member, the beet. Indeed, at festivals throughout Europe you can hear the party-goers demanding the DJ to turnip the beets as they chomp down on their beloved vegetables."

Or even: Lettuce Turnip the Beets. Bod (talk) 21:32, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

What do the different sorts of turnips mentioned taste like?
What do the different sorts of turnips mentioned taste like? I once tasted turnips that were like sweet potatoes (without sweet potatoes' unpleasant aftertaste). Which sort would that be? WordwizardW (talk) 21:20, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Ambiguity
The word turnip refers to several different veggies in different places, I think. If someone could clarify this, that would be very nice. Tuf-Kat
 * Headnote has a link to Turnip (terminology). --ABehrens (talk) 05:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

North of England and Scotland name?
The article says that "In the north of England and Scotland, the name turnip, or neeps, refers not to the above but to the larger, yellow rutabagas called swedes farther south." Shouldn't it also say how do people in those areas refer to what is elsewhere (and here) called turnip? --Thrissel (talk) 22:11, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Headnote has a link to Turnip (terminology). --ABehrens (talk) 05:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Growing turnips on Mars
Who would have thought of it? The humble Turnip on Mars!? Please see the link below - this is not fictitious:

http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn14217-martian-soil-could-grow-turnips-phoenix-finds.html

So...should there be a mention in this article? I think it is a worthy addition! —Preceding unsigned comment added by MartianTurnips (talk • contribs) 11:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fiction. The Martian soil is poisonous to humans. And one -125F night would end the garden.50.111.52.57 (talk) 07:13, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Quotes

 * The typical southern way of cooking turnip greens was to boil them with a large chunk of "bacon".

Why is bacon in quotes here? Viriditas (talk) 17:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No idea. In any case, the article on pot likker indicates that salt pork rather then bacon was used, so I've amended it. Barry Wom (talk) 18:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)