Talk:Turtle Bay, Manhattan

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As someone who lives in Turtle Bay, I've always thought of 42nd Street as the neighborhood's southern boundary. The Turtle Bay Association website states the boundary to be 43rd Street, but the website itself is inconsistent on the point. Its list of "Places of Interest" includes Ralph Bunche Park and the Ford Foundation headquarters, each of which extends from 42nd to 43rd. In addition, NY Bytes uses 42nd Street. I've changed "43rd" to "42nd" but I'll admit that, like most NYC neighborhood boundaries, this one is somewhat subjective. JamesMLane 18:53, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * The website was where I got the boundary information. I'm working in that neighborhood for the summer, and I've noticed that many buildings have "Turtle Bay" incorporated in some way in the name&mdash;are there any as far down as 42nd St?  Postdlf 13:21, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

No such businesses occur to me offhand. I have a very dim memory that, years ago, there was a "Turtle Bay" something-or-other around 41st Street, illustrating that businesses will take names that aren't always accurate. I think the best reason to stay with 42nd Street is that the UN is so commonly referred to as being at Turtle Bay. Drawing the line at 43rd would divide the UN site. JamesMLane 04:50, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, we could say that it goes up to but not including 42nd St... 42nd St itself just seems of such a different character.  Otherwise, the Chrysler Building is in Turtle Bay.  Postdlf 05:07, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Turtle Bay on land, or the East River?
This article has coordinates on land, and the text is almost entirely about the neighborhood, except a short bit about the colonial era history. My question is whether this article should have an entry in the Bays of New York catalog. To me, on land, no, on water, yes, but this is not what the article is about. --DThomsen8 (talk) 21:58, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no longer a "bay" at Turtle Bay -- it was filled in long ago, and when it existed it as more of a cove than a bay. I guess it depends on what the focus of the "Bays" catalog is. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Name origin
This has got to be one of the poorest written "explanations" for a name place in the history of Wikpedia:


 * Turtle Bay, a cove of the East River, received its name in the 17th century by its resemblance in shape to that of a knife, "deutal" being Dutch for "knife".

I suppose we're supposed to guess that someone or another eventually confused the Dutch word for "knife" with the English word for "schildpad", but if that's the case, it needs to be spelled out. It certainly is going to go over the head of many readers. I'd do it myself, but I'm uncertain if my conclusions are the correct ones (which serves to demonstrate how poorly it is written). Un sch  ool  02:32, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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Dutch for knife is "mes" and not much else
I highly doubt, that "deutal" means anything in Dutch and suspect that it likely means nothing at all in any language. Dutch for knife is "mes" and for dagger is "dolk". Pronouncing "deu-tal" points to French sounds in the first syllable like "deux" (English two), given the realitively close relation of Dutch and French. Nothing points to knife and there is just no word like it. Certainly not a proof, but a strong indicator, is a web search for "deutal": It finds this entry to wikipedia and nothing else. Thorsten (talk) 08:11, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Reading the article again I gather that the bay might have had the role of a "key" position in the development. Dutch for "key" is "sleutel" and that sounds rather close turtle. Thorsten (talk) 08:15, 23 April 2020 (UTC)