Talk:Twenty-sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution/Archive 1

Before
The previous vote age was 21, or? This should be explicated in the article. --Shallot 00:01, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

There was no previous age of suffrage. States used various different ages, and at the time the 26th Amendment was ratified, there were even  different voting ages in 47 states for federal elections than there were  state elections. Suffragiologist (talk) 07:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

But was it mostly 21? Or 19? Was it 18 anywhere? The article doesn't make it clear what the status quo was before the amendment. 24.78.40.191 (talk) 15:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Technicality
The amendment does not actually grant suffrage to those eighteen years of age and older. It merely states that such people cannot be prohibited from voting on  account of age.

If, for example, a state wanted to require that a person own land to vote, that would be constitutional. A non-landowning 18 year old could not cite the 26th amendment as having granted him suffrage. -- 69.19.2.36 20:50, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

71.248.225.51 19:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is correct. That is not a technicality; it just isn't within the scope of the amendment. One technicality may be that only states and the federal government can't  prevent people under age 21 from voting on account of age; it says  nothing about cities and counties, but I think it applies to them too  since they're below the states. However, territories, since they're  under the jurisdiction of the federal government, can't set their voting  age above 18. SteveSims (talk) 10:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

You can make the same point about the 15th or 19th Amendments as well, and  it's accurate. Felons and the mentally ill are routinely disenfranchised in the US regardless of their age, race or gender. Another related technicality would be that the 26th Amendment, in merely denying states' ability to discriminate on the basis of age for those  18 and over, does not set a voting age at 18 but rather establishes 18  as the maximum age a state can constitutionally establish their voting  age. A state could technically set its voting age lower than 18. Suffragiologist (talk) 07:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Georgia ratification year
I found a website - http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am26.html  - which  says that Georgia ratified this in 1971, not 1972. Is there some other place that can prove this one way or another? tess (talk) 00:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Found another site - http://www.nps.gov/archive/malu/documents/amend26.htm - that  says its Oct 4, 1971.  I'm changing it here. tess (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Jim Beatty and petition drive
I can't find info that says Jim Beatty was a U.S. congressman. Where does this info come from? --tessc (talk) 01:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Jim Beatty ran for a seat in the House of Representatives, but lost. I have removed the reference to him being a "congressman". I have kept  the "dubious" tag in place, because the reference to Jim Beatty is unsourced. SMP0328. (talk) 19:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Is he even this Jim Beatty that's linked here? --tessc (talk) 19:33, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know. That's why I kept the "dubious" tag in place. Since it's unsourced, I don't even know if that  petition drive took place. SMP0328. (talk) 19:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I feel it has been long enough, I'll remove that information. NuclearWarfare (talk) 22:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Contemporary views
I have removed the Contemporary  views section. It consisted of the following:

Since its ratification in 1971, there has been varied opposition to the  amendment, even from conservatives who originally supported it. For example, Republican Representative Christopher Shays  (CT-4)  said "We made a mistake lowering the voting age to 18" and asserts that  it was lowered "out of guilt."

The first sentence had no sourcing (see cite tag) and the second sentence,  although sourced, doesn't help prove that Representative Shays's view is  "contemporary". For these reasons, I removed the Contemporary views section. SMP0328. (talk) 21:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Rep. Shays took office 16 years after the 26th Amendment was fully ratified. This is political job and ignores the fact that many Republicans were early advocates of a lower voting age (President  Eisenhower?). Few politicians have publicly opposed the amendment. Suffragiologist (talk) 07:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Consequences
I removed the Consequences section. It said:

''A semi-intended consequence of the Twenty sixth Amendment was that after its passage,  one state after another then lowered the minimum age for exercising most  other adult rights, such as marrying and signing contracts without  parental consent, to 18 as well (Mississippi being the last). By the end of the 1980s  all fifty states had done so. However, many states do retain higher age limits for other rights. For example, Alabama, Utah, New Jersey and Alaska's minimum age for tobacco use is 19; and Nevada as well as other states have a limit of 21 years for gambling. Notably, the Congress has also effected a similar change in states' age limits in the other direction. For example, after many states lowered their drinking ages in the 1970s, the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 obliged states to set a limit of  21 years for the purchase of alcohol  under threat of losing 10% of federal highway construction money.''

That is clearly original research. Nothing in the section explained why any of the cited laws were a result of the Twenty sixth Amendment. These laws might have been passed even without the Amendment. SMP0328. (talk) 23:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Oregon, Texas
Why did Oregon and Texas ratify the amendment, after they had fought the similar law in court? This seems very strange. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Here are two possibilities: (1) Those states defended themselves against a federal mandate, but the amendment  needed the consent of the states; (2) The people of those states  strongly supported the amendment. Obviously, both could be true. SMP0328. (talk) 18:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The decision to litigate the issue is made by the governor and attorney general of the state, and here the decision was to support the state law (routinely  done);  the ratification of the amendment is made by the legislature  (see Article Five  of the United States Constitution). Also, years may have passed between the state law and the ratification.  Ecphora (talk) 11:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Possibly useful additional reference
A pamphlet put out by the FirstVote program of CloseUp, later moved (or removed) from their website, but still available through Wayback Machine: http://web.archive.org/web/www.closeup.org/amend.pdf JesseW, the juggling janitor 06:22, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Confusion on dates
It shows that 4 states ratified "after adoption" of the amendment, starting with Oklahoma on July 1st. It then later states adoption occurred on July 7th. Perhaps one of these dates are wrong. Perhaps the "after adoption" wording needs to be changed. Because I didn't know which one to flag (on article), I thought it better to post as a talk item. 204.120.173.252 (talk) 13:41, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The article is correct. The amendment was adopted on July 1, 1971, and was certified as being adopted on July 7, 1971. The certification was simply a confirmation of what had occurred (the amendment's adoption). SMP0328. (talk) 03:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Amendment's effect
I couldn't complete my edit summary for reverting an anon's edit of the Introduction, so here I'll explain my reversion. The amendment simply prohibits any federal, State, or local law from lowering raising the voting age below above 18. It does not prohibit denying the franchise to those who are 18 or older, as long as the reason is not prohibited by this amendment, another amendment, or a law enforcing any of those amendments. For example, felons are routinely barred from voting even though they are at least 18 years old. SMP0328. (talk) 19:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * In the above, "lowering ... below" should be "raising ... above". For example, here's a case of locality considering lowering their voting age (for local elections) to 16: http://prospect.org/article/making-sweet-sixteen-even-sweeter. Perfectly constitutional. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:09, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, my bad. I corrected my comment above. Thanks. SMP0328. (talk) 22:31, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

New material removed
I removed the following unsourced, and recently added, material from the Background section: "Of the 19 members of the House casting votes again the amendment, 12 were Republicans and 7 were Democrats. Barry M. Goldwater, Jr. of California's 20th Congressional District was one of the 12 Republicans casting a vote against the amendment along with Representative Robert H. Michel of Illinois' 18th Congressional District." Even if reliable sourcing can be found, I do not see how this material is relevant. Who cares about the partisan breakdown of the Representatives who voted against this amendment? Why are two of those Representatives specifically mentioned? SMP0328. (talk) 03:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Case law, TN Voter ID suit
what's missing here is any discussion of how the amendment has played out in court. maybe there havent been any cases. that would worth noting in itself.

yesterday a case was filed in tennessee challenging voter ID on 26th Amendment grounds.

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/article/124894/students-challenge-tennessee-over-voter-identification-law 96.46.239.15 (talk) 07:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)robbin stewart 3/5/15
 * The source does not say that the suit is based on this amendment. If the court's decision is based on this amendment, then it should be included in this article. As for case law generally, I've never heard of a case being decided on this amendment. SMP0328. (talk) 17:19, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
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Question regarding adding a large table to this page
At one point on this page, there is a partial list of the Representatives who voted on this Amendment. I found the Congressional Record (PDF) where the voting results are recorded. However, there are a total of 432 names on the list which would make for a large list. Can someone instruct me on how to add this data to the page in a more visually appealing manner? (ex: putting 3 or 4 tables across the screen, linking to a text file or PDF, or something else). Please be aware that I haven't done editing like this before and have no idea how to do it. I would appreciate any instructions on how to do it, or where to look to find that information.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by MistWing (talk • contribs) 06:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

"standardized minimum age" seems inaccurate (states are free to adopt a lower age)
"The Twenty-sixth Amendment (Amendment XXVI) to the United States Constitution established a nationally standardized minimum age of 18 for participation in state and local elections."

Proposed new text: "The Twenty-sixth Amendment (Amendment XXVI) to the United States Constitution provides that United States citizens who are at least 18 years old may not be denied the right to vote on account of their age." Nednick2933 (talk) 02:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)